Yeah, Trump did call military personnel "suckers" and "losers"

[JoeB131]

lefty logic is weird you claimed the deficit was paid and that it was cut in half, that was a lie and now you use your weird math to claim cause the economy grew that cut the deficit.

NOt at all, as a percentage of GDP, it shrank.

 

[Couchpotato]

Compare it to a percentage of GDP, dummy.

GDP 1945 - 223 Billion
GDP 1952 - 367 Billion.

But lets look at this. We ended a world war, increased our GDP by 140 billion dollars and didnt pay down the debt 1 cent in 7 years where we were the manufacturing powerhouse of the world and this is evidence to you of good fiscal policy......

I was clear on what I said, and so was everyone else. That you have a comprehension problem is on you.

"We haven't had a draft since 1974. I wouldn't mind seeing a national service requirement for all 18-year-olds, as long as they get a free ride to a public college once they complete their service."

"Heck, I would even go so far that at least until Vietnam, Selective Service was a boon in this country. Young men were either given purpose in the armed forces, or they were forced to better themselves to avoid the draft."

But you werent talking about the draft and military service. I just didnt understand what you meant....

But was it truly voluntary? I couldn't say to the Drill Instructor, "Hey, you know what, Sarge, this getting up at 4 AM isn't working for me!"

1. You didnt have Drill Instructors, you had drill sgts. Drill Instructors are Marines and you sir arent a Marine.

2. Did someone kidnap you and force you to join the military? Has that happened to anyone post 1973? So yes, it's voluntary.

I was stuck for the length of my commitment. (And then I re-upped another two times, which is my own damned fault.)

All your enlistments "were your fault", as they were your decision. Were you drafted?

 

[Couchpotato]

NOt at all, as a percentage of GDP, it shrank.

Why cant you just admit when you're wrong? Because that's not what you said.

 

[JoeB131]

But lets look at this. We ended a world war, increased our GDP by 140 billion dollars and didnt pay down the debt 1 cent in 7 years where we were the manufacturing powerhouse of the world and this is evidence to you of good fiscal policy......

as opposed to putting wars on credit cards, absolutely. Do you really want to compare what they wisely did then to the crap we are doing now?

But you werent talking about the draft and military service. I just didnt understand what you meant....

Well, I can't be responsible for your learning disability.

1. You didnt have Drill Instructors, you had drill sgts. Drill Instructors are Marines and you sir arent a Marine.

I remember them being called both, but you know what, it's been 43 years, so some parts of my memory are probably faulty. I do remember Fort Sill, OK, and how miserable it was when the heat got up to 100 degrees or more.

2. Did someone kidnap you and force you to join the military? Has that happened to anyone post 1973? So yes, it's voluntary.

Did I have the option of quitting before my enlistment was up? No. then it wasn't voluntary.

And you know what, it kind of has to work that way. because you'd have guy scooping up those benefits in peacetime and most of them quitting the minute a war broke out.

 

[Couchpotato]

as opposed to putting wars on credit cards, absolutely. Do you really want to compare what they wisely did then to the crap we are doing now?

We did put the war on the credit card. We didnt pay cash for it which is why our debt rose exponentially. First you said that FDR didnt raise our debt and paid for WW2 via taxes, then it was well we cut the debt in half by 1952 by keeping the high taxes in place, then it was compared to the GDP the percentage went down, now it's well it's better than what we are doing now.

JoeB131 said:
"Tax the rich, baby! That's how we paid for WWII and the GI Bill that followed.

And it was cut in half by 1952, because we kept the tax rates in place.

Of course, back then, we paid our debts; what a crazy idea.

Compare it to a percentage of GDP, dummy.

GDP 1945 - 223 Billion
GDP 1952 - 367 Billion.

as opposed to putting wars on credit cards, absolutely. Do you really want to compare what they wisely did then to the crap we are doing now?"

Just admit you were wrong. It's ok.

Well, I can't be responsible for your learning disability.

yeah sorry I took what you said to be what you meant..

I remember them being called both, but you know what, it's been 43 years, so some parts of my memory are probably faulty. I do remember Fort Sill, OK, and how miserable it was when the heat got up to 100 degrees or more.

The Army doesn't have Drill Instructors.

Did I have the option of quitting before my enlistment was up? No. then it wasn't voluntary.

Yes once you VOLUNTARILY entered into a contract you were legally obligated to fulfill that contract, the horror. That's how the world works. YOU made a CHOICE to enlist, no one forced you. Not sure how that's not voluntary. By your logic nothing is voluntary, as all your actions have consequences. You 100% could have refused to train in bootcamp and been processed for discharge. You could have at any time during your enlistment just left and not gone back to your unit. No one would have come and drug you back.

And you know what, it kind of has to work that way. because you'd have guy scooping up those benefits in peacetime and most of them quitting the minute a war broke out.

 

[JoeB131]

You stupid, stupid man...

We did put the war on the credit card. We didnt pay cash for it which is why our debt rose exponentially. First you said that FDR didnt raise our debt and paid for WW2 via taxes, then it was well we cut the debt in half by 1952 by keeping the high taxes in place, then it was compared to the GDP the percentage went down, now it's well it's better than what we are doing now.

No, we didn't. We sold war bonds. We taxed the bejesus out of the rich and kept the top marginal tax rates until the 1960's. We were actually- wait for it - Fiscally responsible, as opposed to Dubya running up 10 Trillion in New Debt fighting a war on an emotional state.

Just admit you were wrong. It's ok.

Nope, I'm never wrong, you are just stupid.

Yes once you VOLUNTARILY entered into a contract you were legally obligated to fulfill that contract, the horror. That's how the world works. YOU made a CHOICE to enlist, no one forced you. Not sure how that's not voluntary. By your logic nothing is voluntary, as all your actions have consequences. You 100% could have refused to train in bootcamp and been processed for discharge. You could have at any time during your enlistment just left and not gone back to your unit. No one would have come and drug you back.

Then it was forced servitude. My current job, I get sick of it, I can just walk away. That's what a voluntary arrangement looks like.

One where a recruiter blows smoke up your ass, and you are stuck for 2 or 4 years, and they can send you off to get killed somewhere, is not "voluntary". One where I can be dishonorably discharged because I refuse to go along with the thing is not voluntary, either.

 

[Couchpotato]

You stupid, stupid man...



No, we didn't. We sold war bonds. We taxed the bejesus out of the rich and kept the top marginal tax rates until the 1960's. We were actually- wait for it - Fiscally responsible, as opposed to Dubya running up 10 Trillion in New Debt fighting a war on an emotional state.

Is that why the debt increased so much?

But you are changing the subject. What any other President did or didnt do is irrelevant to your original statement.

Nope, I'm never wrong, you are just stupid.



Then it was forced servitude. My current job, I get sick of it, I can just walk away. That's what a voluntary arrangement looks like.

One where a recruiter blows smoke up your ass, and you are stuck for 2 or 4 years, and they can send you off to get killed somewhere, is not "voluntary". One where I can be dishonorably discharged because I refuse to go along with the thing is not voluntary, either.

 

[Couchpotato]

You stupid, stupid man...



No, we didn't. We sold war bonds. We taxed the bejesus out of the rich and kept the top marginal tax rates until the 1960's. We were actually- wait for it - Fiscally responsible, as opposed to Dubya running up 10 Trillion in New Debt fighting a war on an emotional state.


Nope, I'm never wrong, you are just stupid.



Then it was forced servitude. My current job, I get sick of it, I can just walk away. That's what a voluntary arrangement looks like.

One where a recruiter blows smoke up your ass, and you are stuck for 2 or 4 years, and they can send you off to get killed somewhere, is not "voluntary". One where I can be dishonorably discharged because I refuse to go along with the thing is not voluntary, either.

This thread has established that you are a combination of stupid and arrogant. The worst combination.

 

[JoeB131]

Is that why the debt increased so much?

It didn't. It went down in terms of Percentage of GDP and adjusted dollars.

But you are changing the subject. What any other President did or didnt do is irrelevant to your original statement.

Not at all. FDR Ran up a quarter Trillion in debt (4 Trillion in today's dollars) fighting a world war against three major powers on multiple fronts.

By 1952, in terms of buying power, it was still about the same amount, but less than 3 Trillion in contemporary dollars.

MEANWHILE, George W. Stupid put a war on a Credit card, gave tax breaks to rich people they didn't deserve, and ran up 10 Trillion in debt fighting two impoverished third world countries (one of which hadn't actually done what we accused it of) and wrecked the economy in the process.

A Dubya was a ******* genius compared to Trump.

 

[JoeB131]

This thread has established that you are a combination of stupid and arrogant. The worst combination.

I'm sorry I'm slapping you like the little cultists ***** you are.

Oh, wait, no, I'm not.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I'm sorry I'm slapping you like the little cultists ***** you are.

Oh, wait, no, I'm not.

you claimed the debt was paid for claiming half was paid off when it actually went up. Usual lefty math.

 

[JoeB131]

you claimed the debt was paid for claiming half was paid off when it actually went up. Usual lefty math.

It went down in real dollars and percentage of the GDP, that's the point, but you are dumb.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It went down in real dollars and percentage of the GDP, that's the point, but you are dumb.

you claimed it was paid off by half and it wasnt even paid at all, your excuses are stupid,

 

[JoeB131]

you claimed it was paid off by half and it wasnt even paid at all, your excuses are stupid,

Again, I'm sorry you can't understand the concept of real dollars or percentage of GDP.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Again, I'm sorry you can't understand the concept of real dollars or percentage of GDP.

I am sorry you cant understand basic english.

 

[Robert W]

No, we didn't. We sold war bonds. We taxed the bejesus out of the rich and kept the top marginal tax rates until the 1960's. We were actually- wait for it - Fiscally responsible, as opposed to Dubya running up 10 Trillion in New Debt fighting a war on an emotional state.

War Bonds are debt. Plus it was debt owed to commercial banks. 3 times as much came from Banks than the public.
Read this off the internet.
Financing to pay for the war came mostly by borrowing from the American people through the sale of war bonds, which raised about $50 billion. Another $150 billion came from financial institutions. During the war, commercial banks alone increased their Treasuries holdings from $1 billion to $24 billion.

The Perilous Fight . Financing the War | PBS

American industrialization, isolationism, financing the War, Americans on the move and censorship

www.pbs.org

 

[Couchpotato]

I'm sorry I'm slapping you like the little cultists ***** you are.

Oh, wait, no, I'm not.

Ok. It's just not interesting to talk to people like you. Have fun thinking you "slapped" me on the internet. Good job, you answered all the questions. What's so insane is that you said something that was clearly untrue, and then when called on it instead of just admitting you were wrong or misspoke or didnt realize, you dug your heels in so deep. You should really seek some therapy about that.

 

[Robert W]

No, we didn't. We sold war bonds. We taxed the bejesus out of the rich and kept the top marginal tax rates until the 1960's. We were actually- wait for it - Fiscally responsible, as opposed to Dubya running up 10 Trillion in New Debt fighting a war on an emotional state.

Of all presidents, FDR has the record for most spending as deficits. Nobody will top him.

• Franklin D. Roosevelt, in office between 1933 - 1945, increased National Debt by 1047.73% (24% increase per year on average)
• Of the 45 Presidents, only 14 of them have overseen a decrease in debt. Calvin Coolidge was the last President to do so, leaving office in 1929, 15 Presidencies ago

 

[JoeB131]

War Bonds are debt. Plus it was debt owed to commercial banks. 3 times as much came from Banks than the public.

Point was, War bonds were voluntary... it measured a level of support for the war.

And they garunteed those bonds by taxing the rich appropriately. As opposed to what we started doing after Reagan, where we finance debt with more debt.

 

[JoeB131]

Ok. It's just not interesting to talk to people like you. Have fun thinking you "slapped" me on the internet. Good job, you answered all the questions. What's so insane is that you said something that was clearly untrue, and then when called on it instead of just admitting you were wrong or misspoke or didnt realize, you dug your heels in so deep. You should really seek some therapy about that.

Buddy, you are the one who wants to argue semantics while missing the point.

Debt was reduced as a percentage of GDP through high taxes... then Reagan fucked it up.

I said National Service, not military service.

You need to actually try to understand concepts being argued than trying to focus on semantics.