WTF? Is This A Recuitment Article???

Annie

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After all the negative, this from the NYT???

http://nytimes.com/2005/08/13/inter...&en=ba6d79195f5a1956&ei=5094&partner=homepage
August 13, 2005
G.I.'s Deployed in Iraq Desert With Lots of American Stuff
By KIRK SEMPLE

CAMP LIBERTY, Iraq - First Lt. Taysha Deaton of the Louisiana National Guard went to war expecting a gritty yearlong deployment of sand, heat and duress, but ended up spending her nights in a king-size bed beneath imported sheets and a fluffy down comforter.

She bought the bed from a departing soldier to replace the twin-size metal frame that came with her air-conditioned trailer on this base in western Baghdad. She also acquired a refrigerator, television, cellphone, microwave oven, boom box and DVD player, and signed up for a high-speed Internet connection.

"We had no idea conditions were going to be this great!" said Lieutenant Deaton, 25, the public affairs officer of the 256th Brigade Combat Team and an ambassador of the exclamation mark. "My first thought was, oh my God! This is good!"

As much as modern warfare has changed in recent decades, so has the lifestyle of the modern warrior - at least the modern American warrior on base.

Camp Liberty, one of the best-appointed compounds in the constellation of American military bases in Iraq, has the vague feel of a college campus, albeit with sand underfoot, Black Hawks overhead and the occasional random mortar attack. :wtf:

The soldiers live in trailers on a grid of neat gravel pathways, and the chow hall offers a vast selection of food and beverages, ethnic cuisine nights, an ice cream parlor and, occasionally, a live jazz combo. Camp Liberty, like many other bases, also has Internet cafes, an impressively stocked store, gymnasiums with modern equipment, air-conditioning everywhere and extracurricular activities like language and martial arts lessons.

Not that life is this comfortable for everyone. Small outposts in the rural hinterlands can be crude, at best, with nothing beyond the very basic amenities and soldiers required to wear their full "battle rattle" - body armor and helmet - all day because insurgent attacks are so frequent.


And for those soldiers whose jobs require them to leave base, there is no escape from the cruel realities of war in Iraq.

Wrapped in body armor and the ubiquitous threat of death, they choke on dust and heat and make do with Meals Ready to Eat. On long combat missions, they may go weeks without a shower and sleep wherever they can: on the ground, in empty buildings, in their cramped vehicles. Beyond that, the Pentagon's program to provide them with stronger, safer vehicles has suffered delays.

But wherever possible, the current generation of young soldiers - like its predecessors in Vietnam and other conflicts - has sought the succor of the familiar, and resourceful soldiers in this war have taken this quest to astonishing levels, accumulating all the accouterments of home: personal electronics, bed linens, furniture, household appliances and beauty products.

Gadgetry, in particular, proliferates among the 138,000 troops stationed in Iraq: laptop computers, MP3 and DVD players, digital cameras, televisions and video game consoles. On bases in greater Baghdad, many soldiers have cellphones and some have satellite dishes that pull in scores of stations. Personal DVD collections numbering several hundred are not uncommon; the legendary ones top 1,000.

Never in the field of human conflict has so much stuff been acquired by so many soldiers in so little time.


One Louisiana National Guardsman stationed on Camp Liberty converted his trailer into a recording studio, and a New York National Guardsman living nearby has spent some of his free time during the last year producing a record by a singer in New York using an electric keyboard, sequencer, laptop computer, sampler, drum machine and mixer in his room; he and the singer use sound files sent via the Internet to exchange musical ideas and recorded tracks.

"I don't know how they managed to acquire so much audio-visual machinery," said an amused Lt. Col. Geoffrey J. Slack, 48, commander of the First Battalion, 69th Infantry, of the New York National Guard, which is garrisoned on Camp Liberty with the Louisianans. "Some of these kids, they'll go out and fight all day, and they'll come back and play these goofy space-age electronic war games all night. The furthest thing from my mind is to play war games. You'll walk by and hear them hootin' and hollerin'."

Some of these luxuries came with the soldiers, but most are purchased from departing troops, in stores (the one at Camp Liberty sells at least 11 different makes of television, including a giant $2,999 42-inch JVC plasma television) or over the Internet (the United States Postal Service charges domestic rates for packages sent to troops in Iraq).

Lieutenant Deaton said, "Amazon, eBay and Overstock.com have all made money while we've been here."

The DVD collections among troops mostly comprise pirated disks, each containing several movies, that are sold on American bases by Iraqi vendors for about $3 each.

"Throughout the whole deployment, I was comfortable," said Specialist Chris Foster, a guardsman from Baton Rouge, La., whose initial spree of purchases last year included an electronic back massager. "I didn't have a need for anything."

For Specialist Foster, wartime comfort is often no further away than the nearest Xbox game controller, and he is particularly proud of his division-wide invincibility at Halo 2, a shoot-'em-up video game in which the player is "a genetically enhanced super soldier."

"They call me 'Halo God,' " Specialist Foster said. "Half my deployment I've spent playing Halo 2." He and other soldiers once ran cables between several different trailers enabling as many as 12 players to play at one time.

Lately, Specialist Foster has done much of his Xbox playing in the trailer belonging to Cpl. Andrew Smith, 23, a guardsman from La Place, La.

In addition to their Army-issued beds and wardrobe, Corporal Smith and his roommate outfitted the room with an entertainment center, a beanbag chair and custom-made shelves and a desk.

Their belongings include three guitars, a laptop computer with speakers and a 30-inch flat-screen TV with surround sound - a gift from Specialist Foster, who gave Corporal Smith his entire video-game complex in part to try to curb what he calls his "Halo 2 addiction."

"I wasn't into video games until I got here," Corporal Smith admitted, in the sheepish manner of someone confessing a new vice. "My wife told me I wasn't allowed to bring it home."

Now that the Louisiana and New York units at Camp Liberty have begun shifting living quarters in preparation for their return to the United States, the soldiers have been trying to find buyers for the items they do not want to ship home.

In this periodic ritual, fliers are posted around the base, which becomes a low-profile yard sale as newly deployed soldiers hustle deals from the departing troops.

On a recent morning, Phill Woods, 47, and Bob Szescila, 23, two military contractors, were perusing the booty of a group yard sale organized by the medical platoon of New York's 69th Infantry. Mr. Woods settled on a waist-high LG refrigerator; asking price: $60. Mr. Woods, a beefy man with a long ponytail, pulled a wad of cash out of his pocket and forked over $60, entirely ignoring the time-honored yard sale - and Middle Eastern - tradition of haggling.

"I'm not a haggling kinda guy," he shrugged as he and Mr. Szescila hauled the refrigerator toward its new home. "I'm a guy who's gotta pick up some people at a helipad."
 
Abbey Normal said:
Wow. They are living almost as well as our violent prisoners. [insert sarcasm here.]

Good for them, they deserve whatever comforts they can get.

Agreed, but can you think of a more incongruous source? What is that about?
 
This is bs. The detainees get better living than most sailors and marines do.

The NYT is trying to stir up the left by making it seem like the "war criminals" in Iraq are living the good life off taxpayer dollars before they go torture innocent iraqis and terrorists.
 
NATO AIR said:
This is bs. The detainees get better living than most sailors and marines do.

The NYT is trying to stir up the left by making it seem like the "war criminals" in Iraq are living the good life off taxpayer dollars before they go torture innocent iraqis and terrorists.

I agree with your assessment. But that would be "stolen oil money depriving some starving Iraqi of his gruel" instead of "taxpayer dollars." :smoke:
 
NATO AIR said:
This is bs. The detainees get better living than most sailors and marines do.

The NYT is trying to stir up the left by making it seem like the "war criminals" in Iraq are living the good life off taxpayer dollars before they go torture innocent iraqis and terrorists.


Bingo! As a former serviceman myself, I can tell you I never saw anything thing like that when I was in which was around 10 years ago. We were lucky to get a TV that everyone shared in our barracks. The officers however did have it much better, but thier quarters were still cramped, no nearly as bad as the enlisted quaters.
 
Jesus Christ!!!!!?????

Are you folks on some kind of drugs or something? Even in Viet Nam I knew of other service members that actually had apartments/houses/other housing with housegirls and boys (actually working women and men, but that's what we called them). Combat ain't like every day, 24 hours a day or even frequent. It's those few minutes/seconds of self-sacrifice and true honor that make heroes. I saw the same thing in Panama, Grenada and even moreso in Saudi Arabia in 1990 and 1991.

It's the exposure to combat and the willingness to follow orders that counts with me. That lucky jerk that lives in the condo with cable TV is going to be the replacement, whether he likes it or not, for some other soldier that gets snuffed while on a routine patrol. Getting high or getting drunk wasn't any disqualification then and it isn't now for heroism. It' all in perception and the way it is reported.

After having read the entire article, I don't think the article was meant as a recruiting tool or a detriment to recruiting. I think it was sound reporting.

Psychoblues
 
Psychoblues said:
Jesus Christ!!!!!?????

Are you folks on some kind of drugs or something? Even in Viet Nam I knew of other service members that actually had apartments/houses/other housing with housegirls and boys (actually working women and men, but that's what we called them). Combat ain't like every day, 24 hours a day or even frequent. It's those few minutes/seconds of self-sacrifice and true honor that make heroes. I saw the same thing in Panama, Grenada and even moreso in Saudi Arabia in 1990 and 1991.

It's the exposure to combat and the willingness to follow orders that counts with me. That lucky jerk that lives in the condo with cable TV is going to be the replacement, whether he likes it or not, for some other soldier that gets snuffed while on a routine patrol. Getting high or getting drunk wasn't any disqualification then and it isn't now for heroism. It' all in perception and the way it is reported.

After having read the entire article, I don't think the article was meant as a recruiting tool or a detriment to recruiting. I think it was sound reporting.

Psychoblues

Im just singing those psycho blues, yea, yea, yea, psycho psycho, my name says it all. yea, yea , yea
 
LuvRPgrl said:
Im just singing those psycho blues, yea, yea, yea, psycho psycho, my name says it all. yea, yea , yea

I'm assuming you noticed that the 'recruiting line' was sarcastic. Thanks, you seem to be one of the few.
 

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