Write down! I am an Arab

[Moonglow]

I am sure the Palestinians just want the Helenistic rulers back again? Didn't they like them ? Since the Jews revolted...? And they were on the Macedonians side...?

 

[aris2chat]

You do that, and I will counter with the Koran and hadiths that tell of the commands from allah the moon godling for the muslims to dominate the world by force and violence.

....

Would you defend Judaism in that same way?

Because I recall someone here not long ago laughing about the Jewish custom of visiting the Kotel, saying something about "banging head against the wall" or another nonsense.

Sorry I don't know what Kotel is. If it means something like davening (term?) which is what I expect, then yes I absolutely disassociate myself from that.

OMG! and you presume to post on this forum? Perhaps the term Al-Buraq or El-Mabka is more familiar to you?

 

[amity1844]

so he's an Arab. So what?

This is the truly insightful comment. So Mahmoud Darwish is an Arab, so what?

Let me try to see things as he must have when he wrote this poem.

Israeli identity cards make explicit whether one is Jewish or Arab, its written on the card. Or at least it was in the 1960s. 99% of the time, the person who asks one to present the identity card is going to be a soldier or a policeman, so let's see what the purpose of identifying Arab and Jew is: the identity card marks one as either part of the enfranchised group, the group for whom Israel exists ... or as part of the disenfranchised group, the group that is automatically suspect because their status as second class citizens creates a natural enmity with Israel. To a large extent, the term "Arab" used by an Israel was and is a euphemism for Palestinian, a term Israel long refused to use or acknowledge the legitimacy of. After being marked as "Arab" in the negative sense for his entire young life, Darwish is turning the tables by owning this label as his true identity --- not only owning, but shoving it back in Israel's face. There is more than a little Malcolm X in this poem, even though Darwish may not ever have heard of him at that time. It is sort of a raised fist "Arab power" salute. Furthermore, in the context of Nasser's rising pan-Arab nationalism, Darwish has the insight that rather than being a powerless minority as he has been portrayed by the identity card, he is in fact suddenly aware of his membership in the much larger Arab nation.

Second part .... my number is 50,000. There are an awful lot of Palestinians left in Israel by 1965, not just a few, and ("eight children, and nine after a summer") their number is growing rapidly. Having a lot of children was and is something of a militant act for Palestinians. They know that their death rate is high, and that ultimately demographics is on their side. Even though maybe 50,000 - 100,000 Palestinians were left in Israel after 1948(?), today there are almost 2 million. Over 21%, more than 1 in 5 Israeli citizens is Palestinian, and that number is growing rapidly. Some of the Israelis on this forum can probably name the date, I have forgotten, but at some point in our lifetimes Israel will have an Arab majority again, unless ..... unless they do what exactly?

Write down!
I am an Arab
Employed with fellow workers at a quarry
I have eight children
I get them bread
Garments and books
from the rocks..
I do not supplicate charity at your doors
Nor do I belittle myself at the footsteps of your chamber
So will you be angry?

Write down!
I am an Arab
I have a name without a title
Patient in a country
Where people are enraged
My roots
Were entrenched before the birth of time
And before the opening of the eras
Before the pines, and the olive trees
And before the grass grew

My father.. descends from the family of the plow
Not from a privileged class
And my grandfather..was a farmer
Neither well-bred, nor well-born!
Teaches me the pride of the sun
Before teaching me how to read
And my house is like a watchman's hut
Made of branches and cane
Are you satisfied with my status?
I have a name without a title!

Write down!
I am an Arab
You have stolen the orchards of my ancestors
And the land which I cultivated
Along with my children
And you left nothing for us
Except for these rocks..
So will the State take them
As it has been said?!

Therefore!
Write down on the top of the first page:
I do not hate people
Nor do I encroach
But if I become hungry
The usurper's flesh will be my food
Beware..
Beware..
Of my hunger
And my anger!

The phrase I will never get accustomed to: "Patient in a land where people are enraged." That is powerful.

 

[amity1844]

You do that, and I will counter with the Koran and hadiths that tell of the commands from allah the moon godling for the muslims to dominate the world by force and violence.

....

Would you defend Judaism in that same way?

Because I recall someone here not long ago laughing about the Jewish custom of visiting the Kotel, saying something about "banging head against the wall" or another nonsense.

Sorry I don't know what Kotel is. If it means something like davening (term?) which is what I expect, then yes I absolutely disassociate myself from that.

OMG! and you presume to post on this forum? Perhaps the term Al-Buraq or El-Mabka is more familiar to you?

Nope, drawing a blank there, too. Maybe its the transliteration?
On second thought, wasn't Buraq Muhammad's horse when he jumped from the Rock to heaven?

 

[aris2chat]

sorry i don't know what kotel is. If it means something like davening (term?) which is what i expect, then yes i absolutely disassociate myself from that.

omg! And you presume to post on this forum? Perhaps the term al-buraq or el-mabka is more familiar to you?

nope, drawing a blank there, too. Maybe its the transliteration?

البُراق
بكاء

 

[amity1844]

omg! And you presume to post on this forum? Perhaps the term al-buraq or el-mabka is more familiar to you?

nope, drawing a blank there, too. Maybe its the transliteration?

البُراق
بكاء

Sorry, I can only read Arabic phonetically. So I still don't understand what you are saying.

 

[MHunterB]

I'm rather bored with the "I don't know who/what that is" excuse being used so often by someone who purports to be oh-so-much better informed than the rest of us......

I'm also wondering just what a Christian 'full of love' could possibly have against someone else's religious expressions?

Do you snicker at your fellow Christians who lift their hands up in prayer?

 

[amity1844]

I'm rather bored with the "I don't know who/what that is" excuse being used so often by someone who purports to be oh-so-much better informed than the rest of us......

I'm also wondering just what a Christian 'full of love' could possibly have against someone else's religious expressions?

Do you snicker at your fellow Christians who lift their hands up in prayer?

I really don't know what you are talking about. I certainly never snickered and I think you have me confused with someone else. This whole "conversation" is just a big long nonsequitur to me.

 

[MHunterB]

[quote}
Too bad you've blinded yourself to seeing that pimping terrorist murderers like Habash as 'heroes' is utterly irresponsible hate mongering too.

I don't recall identifying Al Hakim as a particular personal hero of mine. I just think he is important enough to write about.

Or that you haven't bothered to realize you've identified yourself as a member of the religious denomination whose then-head stated “God doesn’t hear the prayers of Jews.” I have to wonder - you being so protective of Islam and all! - has there been any formal retraction of Bailey Smith's statement (made while he was president of the SBC)?

I have no idea who this is. My own personal gripe with southern baptists (which I ain't) is that some among them tend to Israel as the fulfillment or prophecy and accept it on their own terms without examination.

Are you 'for' or 'against' this Lutheran minister's statements regarding an interfaith Sandy Hook memorial?: Lutheran prayers at Newtown | OnFaith

“A Lutheran pastor who participated in an interfaith prayer service in Newtown, Conn., in the days after the Sandy Hook massacre has apologized after being criticized by the leader of his denomination for violating its prohibition against joint worship with other religions.” The Rev. Rob Morris explained that he in no way intended (one is tempted to say “god forbid”) to suggest the validity of other faiths by praying alongside them for the souls of murdered children."

sounds like a lunatic to me.

I'm curious: do you make an exception ONLY for Islam?

what is the exception again? I lost your train of thought I think.[/QUOTE]

My condolences on your reading comprehension problem, Hostility.

Bailey Smith was the president of the Southern Baptist denomination when he stated that "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew".

 

[aris2chat]

nope, drawing a blank there, too. Maybe its the transliteration?

البُراق
بكاء

Sorry, I can only read Arabic phonetically. So I still don't understand what you are saying.

place of weeping, or wailing wall, do you understand this?

 

[amity1844]

Yes, now I do understand. The Western wall has been "THE" place, holiest of all for Jews, for many centuries. Now WHAT is the question?

 

[aris2chat]

Yes, now I do understand. The Western wall has been "THE" place, holiest of all for Jews, for many centuries. Now WHAT is the question?

it is called the Kotel

 

[Bloodrock44]

arabs are cowards. They target woman and children, hide behind their women's skirts and whine like bitches they're being oppressed.

 

[Kondor3]

arabs are cowards. They target woman and children, hide behind their women's skirts and whine like bitches they're being oppressed.

That's a broad blanket statement but there seems to be some considerable merit in the observation, nonetheless.

That's certainly the case in connection with the Palestinians.

 

[Bloodrock44]

arabs are cowards. They target woman and children, hide behind their women's skirts and whine like bitches they're being oppressed.

That's a broad blanket statement but there seems to be some considerable merit in the observation, nonetheless.

That's certainly the case in connection with the Palestinians.

Yes it is a broad blanket statement. I gave it a second thought but the statement still stands. arabs are ******* cowards.

 

[Roudy]

Roudy, Facebook tried hard to stay out a huge stew a few years ago. The issue was sexism and peoples' posted sexist comments being tolerated by Facebook as "freedom of speech." Legal action was taken, and it wasn't until it became abundantly clear that Facebook was going to lose millions of dollars fro tolerating hate speech that they shut the sexists down. Now, FINALLY, hate speech of any type is no longer tolerated on Facebook.

So that is how that deal works. No legal interpretation is needed as to whether or not calling some group (not even sure to whom you are referring, Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians, or anyone who isn't part of whatever group you perceive yourself as...) "animals" is hate speech. We already know it is, many legal decisions have shown us that. It would be a slam dunk. You just need a Bill of Rights class.

It's not hate speech calling Islamists, terrorists, and intolerant Muslim savages animals. It's an insult to animals.

Muslim societies are the most intolerant, oppressive, and barbaric on the planet today, and you defend and lie for them. Your agenda is pretty obvious.

 

[Phoenall]

You think calling them "animals" is abusing the first amendment?

You want to run that past the Supreme Court?

Since when have these rabid animals been part of the USA or subject to US laws ?

 

[Phoenall]

I defend all people. I don't ever call any of them "animals."

NO you call them much worse than that under the veil of free speech, it still is offensive to refer to Jews and Israel as Zionists in a derogatory manner.

The UK has spelt this out to the ISLAMONAZI animals that it is racism and incitement to violence.

 

[Phoenall]

You do that, and I will counter with the Koran and hadiths that tell of the commands from allah the moon godling for the muslims to dominate the world by force and violence.

....

Would you defend Judaism in that same way?

Because I recall someone here not long ago laughing about the Jewish custom of visiting the Kotel, saying something about "banging head against the wall" or another nonsense.

Sorry I don't know what Kotel is. If it means something like davening (term?) which is what I expect, then yes I absolutely disassociate myself from that.

You know fine well that Kotel is the Jewish term for the wall, so stop playing dumb. You are just another ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDIST that is paid to sit at a computer all day and write ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA

 

[Phoenall]

Roudy, Facebook tried hard to stay out a huge stew a few years ago. The issue was sexism and peoples' posted sexist comments being tolerated by Facebook as "freedom of speech." Legal action was taken, and it wasn't until it became abundantly clear that Facebook was going to lose millions of dollars fro tolerating hate speech that they shut the sexists down. Now, FINALLY, hate speech of any type is no longer tolerated on Facebook.

So that is how that deal works. No legal interpretation is needed as to whether or not calling some group (not even sure to whom you are referring, Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians, or anyone who isn't part of whatever group you perceive yourself as...) "animals" is hate speech. We already know it is, many legal decisions have shown us that. It would be a slam dunk. You just need a Bill of Rights class.

As is calling Jews Zionists, and Israel a Zionist regime. This is the problem with ISLAMONAZI STOOGES they don't like seeing the tables turned