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Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?
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Yes. And they may be doing that now to bring on end times prophesy, or they may be doing it for some ungodly purpose of man, and not God....don't think evil can't be a part of this, just because it may be bringing about end times prophesy and Christ's return as you may think.
The end times prophesy is saturated with evil during the period, tribulation and great tribulation...and some may be necessary to bring the second coming about....that does NOT mean you are to support a man with anti Christ's teachings... and an anti God man, even if it will end up doing that, is what I've been taught! Reject it, stay truthful to what you learned and know from Christ's teachings, and be willing to die for it....is what I've been taught....not certain on your church or temple?
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Trump has serious money, he owns a magnificent jet and I don't have one.
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you need to do something about that. Do you think god helped Donald get his plane and money.
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We are all imperfect people, including you. Your imperfection is proven by your opinions
Christians generally have good judgment; atheists generally have bad.
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All Christians (I include all people who consider themself Christian) do not have good judgement. An example are those who followed Jim Jones. I could name many similar circumstances.
Jim Jones was an atheist. You just made my point.
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The people who followed him were Christians. They felt Jim Jones would show them true Christianity. They went to him in pursuit of Christianity.
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funny how christians take credit without admission for their involvement by claiming heavens will as a question after the calamity they caused requires to be resolved.
As a child, I somehow managed to understand the difference between Biblical teachings and story books. I did not need to "ruminate" over the subjects - and although I was sober and (somewhat) intelligent for my age - I'm not sure those aspects are what brought me to understand them as a child.
For a child, faith comes naturally - when a baby cries, it cries because it understands that something "greater than itself" will come and provide food, nourishment, safety, security and so forth.
Every atheist, agnostic, humanist and so forth had faith as a child - faith in something "greater than themselves". So when a child is taught moral lessons - whether Biblical or from other sources, it is easy for a child to believe and understand them - the same way they believe and understand that something "greater than themselves" has provided food, shelter, safety - for their entire existence.
At some point in most people's lives - the "trust and faith" in others begins to be countered by the imperfections of human nature. For some, it can happen at a very early age - for others, later on and for most - throughout life. What was once pure, innocent faith can become hardened to the reality of the physical world around them.
Faith - is as natural as life itself. It exists in every human being.
When the Law speaks of "idols" what is it referring to? How can a person "follow or worship" a "false idol" without faith?
Can a person be a scientist without faith in the scientific method?
Does a person need to "ruminate" prior to flying on a plane? Or is it the person's faith in the technology of the aircraft and the skills of the pilot that makes them board the plane and fly?
Who is anyone to judge one who puts their faith in a higher power and through that faith - also has the faith required to live in the world around them?
On the other hand, who is anyone to judge one who's faith has been hardened by the world around them?
How can a person with faith in a higher power judge or condemn someone who may have not have been afforded true "rumination" with faith?
Mark 3:
Jesus Accused by His Family and by Teachers of the Law
Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”
And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”
So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan?
If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”
What is the eternal sin Jesus spoke about?
Why is it an "eternal sin"?
"Do not judge or you will be judged. By the same measure you judge others, you too will be judged."
When people judge each other in regards to spiritual faith or non spiritual beliefs - they condemn each other - the division cannot stand eternally - both sides become "tied up" - one on each side - allowing the Adversary to plunder - the house collapses, comes to an end - in direct contrast to the "Eternal Holy Spirit".
"Separation of Church and State" - "Give onto Caesar what is Caesar's and give God what is God's"
What does this truly mean?
The world we live in is the most magnificent, incredible creation one can contemplate. Nature is a perfectly balanced ecosystem - yet the Universe can seem incredibly violent from our perspective. Life, as we understand it, is a miracle within itself when one realizes that the air we breath, the water we drink, the temperatures we need to survive - are unique to our planet Earth - and as far as science understands it - could be one in many billions and billions of possibilities.
Humanity is given self awareness and free will - consciousness - with that consciousness - humanity has developed civilizations, technology and so forth - things that can seem in contrast with the natural ecosystem of the world. On one hand, humanity has developed vast education, art, engineering, structures, cities - technology - all things that are intended to further human evolution - but at the same time, can go against nature and natural evolution.
As much as humanity strives to be better - humanity still has its natural instincts of survival. With that comes love, passion, beauty, ingenuity, compassion, work ethic, curiosity and the myriad of great things that makes us human - on the other side it can come with violence, hatred, close mindedness, greed - among others.
The physical world we live in "The State" is compromised of both - it is a realty of life - it is part of the natural cycle of life as we understand it.
"The Church" is our spiritual side - the gift that makes us human - what we strive for. The "Separation" is fundamental because what we strive for spiritually can vary drastically within groups of people - although most generally have similar "end goals" - the paths and dogmatic beliefs can vary dramatically - to the extent of creating deep divides - leading to physical wars, persecution, slavery - the very worst of humanity.
The Golden Rule is practiced among the vast majority of religions of the world - it is the bridge between our spiritual selves and physical selves -
"Treat Others The Way You Wish To Be Treated"
"Love Your Neighbor As Yourself"
Those "rules" do not mean "treat people that look like you and believe the same things you do the way you want to be treated" THEY MEAN ALL PEOPLE.
What it means:
Treat Others like you wish to be treated regardless of their race, creed, country of origin, political affiliation, sexual preference, etc
What it doesn't mean:
Putting on blast 1% of a potentially persecuted group of people, portraying your political party as their "defenders" when the reality is that you are doing it solely for political gain - and further escalating an issue that previously did not exist.
On the other hand - using "family values" as a crutch against these groups - taking a half dozen cases within a country of 330 MILLION people and saying said group of people are trying to "indoctrinate" your kids - is beneath you as a person of faith.
What should be done:
"Church" - In good faith, hope and pray for the good willed people of the world - ALL GOOD WILLED PEOPLE.
"State" - "Make it illegal to use a potentially persecuted minority group as a political platform, solely based on who they are"
Faith is as real as life and humanity itself.
600,000 words of the Old Testament.
100 or so words of the 3 little pigs story.
You seem to be a person of logic - do you still want to compare the two?
The Dead Sea Scroll discovered in a cave during the mid 20th century contain books of Isaiah that are nearly word for word manuscripts of all previously known scrolls - potentially older.
There is no other know religion (to my knowledge) dating back over 1000 BC that has the amount of specific text - passed down extremely accurately - first orally, later in scrolls - as the Old Testament books.
Even if you do not believe in divine intervention, the amount of faith and seriousness the scribes had within them - in order to accurately pass down the works - is an incredible manifestation of faith, in my humble opinion.
No, Jesus had nothing at all to do with trump, the accused child rapist. He was "elected" thanks to corruption, voting fraud, and the widespread disenfranchisement of minority voters just so that all his criminal cronies could escape justice and public accountability by buying the Supreme Court, the Republican Party and selling criminals, rapists, insurrectionists, sex traffickers, drug lords, child molesters, etc., pardons in exchange for cash and their souls.
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The majority of Europe was Christian prior to WWII. Great Britain, France etc. There were more Christians killed by other Christians during WWII than any other point in history.
There is no difference between story book and Biblical teachings, a collection of story books.
The first time I heard the story of A&E in 2nd grade weekly catechism and a crafty talking serpent was introduced I knew immediately that it was like a fairy tale where the lessons taught, never written down, are not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used. I had already know this for half my life by then and it didn't require any faith at all. Just knowledge about how to understand fairy tales, thanks to my Mother who splained it to me.
Like I said before to understand bible stories with talking serpents, talking donkeys, angels, demons, and all the human creatures in-between, sheep, goats, wolves, dogs, swine, etc., one has to humble themselves and approach those stories like child being told a fairy tale. People that say how a serpent could talk is a mystery too great for the human mind to comprehend is just full of shit, a modern-day talking serpent whose species should have gone extinct by now if all of you so called "believers" understood scripture and acted on it.
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Yes, they should, They might want to consider the weather, solar storms, and if they are boarding a jalopy and many frantically ruminate if they made a mistake if they hit turbulence.
What does that tell you?
I'm OK with that. Jesus said to "be just in your judgments" and so I am. I'm not worried at all.
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Slandering the Holy Spirit, WORDS from my God, by saying Jesus was possessed by a devil.
Specifically, however falsely, claiming that evil was the source of his teaching.
One can't return from crossing that line by calling a revelation from my God evil, according to Jesus, and if that is true, "I shit on your God" Quantrill, ding, and others are quite fucked.
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It means don't give Caesar anything because everything belongs to God, nothing belongs to caesar. In fact the idea that anyone owns anything is an absurd dellusion. If you don't believe me to to a graveyard and ask the people buried there if they ever owned anything, even life.
"You can't take it with you."
What does this truly mean?
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Didn't Jesus say he did not come to bring peace but division and he was "the light of the world" A reference to the creation STORY where light divides day from night. And didn't Jesus also say that he would separate the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the tares?
Pick a side.
Don't give me that namby pamby 'everyone is Gods child' or "inside we are all the same" pusillanimous bullshit because everyone is not Gods child, everyone is not the same inside.
Some are children of the devil and 'inside' people are either clean or unclean. Living or dead.
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I remember the story as the Devil tempting Eve, Eve ate the fruit - then Adam was tempted by Eve and also ate the fruit. God was angered/betrayed - Adam would work the rest of his days - Eve would bear the pains of childbirth - The Devil would be forced to crawl on his belly (becoming a serpent).
The entire "talking serpent" thing never entered my mind.
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