I started a thread here discussing Donald Trump, and while I'm happy with it, I can't help but feel that having a thread discussing Donald Trump without having another thread discussing Hillary Clinton is like planning a debate but only inviting one of the debating teams to the actual debate. I do have a fear here though- while people certainly have strong feelings towards Donald Trump, I've come to believe that people are generally more restrained when talking about him negatively. When it comes to Hillary, well, there's a reason I want to have this debate in the CDZ. The moderators may come to believe that trying to moderate a debate regarding Hillary in the CDZ is beyond their capabilities, and I can't say I'd blame them. But I'm going to see if it can be done, atleast for a time.
Personally, while I think Trump is much worse, I can't support Hillary- I support Jill Stein. That being said, there are clearly a fair amount of people who do support her, even if she, like Trump, has pretty low approval ratings overall. I found an article from the Huffington Post that I think gets something of the gist of my feelings on her. Here's an excerpt:
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Hillary Clinton’s vice presidential choice was her first true opportunity to alert the various constituencies that make up the Democratic Party of her governing agenda.
By choosing Tim Kaine, a senator from Virginia with an “Ah guys let’s be careful I don’t know” Democratic record, she appears to be betting that voters will cast their ballots in November in fear of a Donald Trump presidency rather than in favor of … whatever it is Clinton stands for at this point in her political career.
Progressives inside the Beltway got the message.
“This sends a signal to liberals that they don’t matter,” said one progressive Senate Democratic aide.
The Kaine pick dashed hopes in the party’s base that the new Clinton might more fully reflect a Democratic coalition that has become more populist and progressive since her husband occupied the White House in the 1990s. The move will have lasting consequences, according to House and Senate insiders. Clinton has undermined her own potential governing coalition, should she win the White House in November.
“This decision definitely impacts the relationship that progressives are going to have with a potential Clinton administration going forward,” said Neil Sroka, a spokesperson for Democracy for America, a progressive organization that rallied against a Kaine nomination.
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Both DFA and the Progressive Campaign Change Committee issued statements disapproving of the Kaine selection, explicitly citing his support for TPP.
“She already starts with a trust deficit on these issues and she has just set herself back before she even takes office,” another Democratic Senate staffer told HuffPost.
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Source: Hillary Clinton Does Not Understand Her Own Supporters
Personally, while I think Trump is much worse, I can't support Hillary- I support Jill Stein. That being said, there are clearly a fair amount of people who do support her, even if she, like Trump, has pretty low approval ratings overall. I found an article from the Huffington Post that I think gets something of the gist of my feelings on her. Here's an excerpt:
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Hillary Clinton’s vice presidential choice was her first true opportunity to alert the various constituencies that make up the Democratic Party of her governing agenda.
By choosing Tim Kaine, a senator from Virginia with an “Ah guys let’s be careful I don’t know” Democratic record, she appears to be betting that voters will cast their ballots in November in fear of a Donald Trump presidency rather than in favor of … whatever it is Clinton stands for at this point in her political career.
Progressives inside the Beltway got the message.
“This sends a signal to liberals that they don’t matter,” said one progressive Senate Democratic aide.
The Kaine pick dashed hopes in the party’s base that the new Clinton might more fully reflect a Democratic coalition that has become more populist and progressive since her husband occupied the White House in the 1990s. The move will have lasting consequences, according to House and Senate insiders. Clinton has undermined her own potential governing coalition, should she win the White House in November.
“This decision definitely impacts the relationship that progressives are going to have with a potential Clinton administration going forward,” said Neil Sroka, a spokesperson for Democracy for America, a progressive organization that rallied against a Kaine nomination.
...
Both DFA and the Progressive Campaign Change Committee issued statements disapproving of the Kaine selection, explicitly citing his support for TPP.
“She already starts with a trust deficit on these issues and she has just set herself back before she even takes office,” another Democratic Senate staffer told HuffPost.
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Source: Hillary Clinton Does Not Understand Her Own Supporters
