Worst case scenario - oil spill

You really are somewhat of an ignorant hack fuckwit...Eh?...LumptyDumpty? I ... did some research this morning looking at exactly that topic.. Regs ...and found nothing tying Obama to any oil rig regulations. Frankly it was impossible in the time I had to find out exactly who was in charge when the regs were put in place.

Good job sparky..way to bring it..:lol::lol: Leave it to a halfwit like yourself to open his pie hole with absolutely zero evidense.:lol::lol:

Sweet... I've been blitzkrieged by Huggy.. although I don't think it's your best work.. let me give you another try...

Where does the Buck stop for Democrat Presidents.. you sweet lovable bowl of charm..

My appologies...It just hasn't been my best day..or as you have rightfully pointed out...my best work.:lol:

Well sheez .. this was unexpected.. all in fun.. fine fellow...:clap2:
 
DATE: April 30, 2010 18:37:09 CST
Principal level meeting on oil spill response
"At the request of the President, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security John Brennan, held a principals-level meeting today which lasted for more than an hour to discuss the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and ensure that the resources of the federal government are fully integrated in the response to the incident. The following senior officials participated: Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Admiral Mike Mullen, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, Rear Admiral Mary Landry, Deputy Secretary of Interior David Hayes NOAA Administrator Jane Lubchenco and Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Carol Browner."

Principal level meeting on oil spill response

PHOTO RELEASE: Unified Command releases photos of boom loading operations

Bureaucrats to the rescue quite a few days long in coming...but hey...

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DATE: April 30, 2010 18:37:09 CST
Principal level meeting on oil spill response
"At the request of the President, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security John Brennan, held a principals-level meeting today which lasted for more than an hour to discuss the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and ensure that the resources of the federal government are fully integrated in the response to the incident. The following senior officials participated: Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Admiral Mike Mullen, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, Rear Admiral Mary Landry, Deputy Secretary of Interior David Hayes NOAA Administrator Jane Lubchenco and Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Carol Browner."

Principal level meeting on oil spill response

PHOTO RELEASE: Unified Command releases photos of boom loading operations

Bureaucrats to the rescue quite a few days long in coming...but hey...

:eusa_shhh:

That's what I don't get. The Coast Guard generally moves fast. I think they could use some subs in their Christmas list, huh? Where is Clive Cussler when you need him???
 
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Why will it take 3 months to cap it? And can't they stop the 3 leaks (or is that what they mean by capping it)?
 
DATE: April 30, 2010 18:37:09 CST
Principal level meeting on oil spill response
"At the request of the President, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security John Brennan, held a principals-level meeting today which lasted for more than an hour to discuss the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and ensure that the resources of the federal government are fully integrated in the response to the incident. The following senior officials participated: Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Admiral Mike Mullen, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, Rear Admiral Mary Landry, Deputy Secretary of Interior David Hayes NOAA Administrator Jane Lubchenco and Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Carol Browner."

Principal level meeting on oil spill response

PHOTO RELEASE: Unified Command releases photos of boom loading operations

Bureaucrats to the rescue quite a few days long in coming...but hey...

:eusa_shhh:

That's what I don't get. The Coast Guard generally moves fast.

What are you talking about? The coast gaurd was involved immediately. Just exactly what do you think could have been done up till now? The oil is coming from 5000 feet below the surface. There is no proven machine or gadget or anything that can stop the oil right now. This isn't a readiness or dispersal of emergency relief like Katrina. Before we jump to all kinds of rediculous assumptions lets let a few facts roll in.
 
Does anyone know...how big exactly would an oil slick become at that level of output?


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05/01/10 05:50 PM



A sense of doom settled over the American coastline from Louisiana to Florida on Saturday as a massive oil slick spewing from a ruptured well kept growing, and experts warned that an uncontrolled gusher could create a nightmare scenario if the Gulf Stream carries it toward the Atlantic.
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The Coast Guard conceded Saturday that it's nearly impossible to know how much oil has gushed since the April 20 rig explosion, after saying earlier it was at least 1.6 million gallons – equivalent to about 2 1/2 Olympic-sized swimming pools. The blast killed 11 workers and threatened beaches, fragile marshes and marine mammals, along with fishing grounds that are among the world's most productive.

Even at that rate, the spill should eclipse the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident as the worst U.S. oil disaster in history within about a week. But a growing number of experts warned that the situation may already be much worse.

The oil slick over the water's surface appeared to triple in size over the past two days, which could indicate an increase in the rate that oil is spewing from the well, according to one analysis of images collected from satellites and reviewed by the University of Miami. While it's hard to judge the volume of oil by satellite because of depth, it does show an indication of change in growth, experts said.

"The spill and the spreading is getting so much faster and expanding much quicker than they estimated," said Hans Graber, executive director of the university's Center for Southeastern Tropical Advanced Remote Sensing. "Clearly, in the last couple of days, there was a big change in the size."

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Florida State University oceanography professor Ian R. MacDonald said his examination of Coast Guard charts and satellite images indicated that 8 million to 9 million gallons had already spilled by April 28.

Doug Suttles, BP's chief operating officer for exploration and production, said it was impossible to know just how much oil was gushing from the well, but said the company and federal officials were preparing for the worst-case scenario.

Oil industry experts and officials are reluctant to describe what, exactly, a worst-case scenario would look like – but if the oil gets into the Gulf Stream and carries it to the beaches of Florida, it stands to be an environmental and economic disaster of epic proportions.


The Deepwater Horizon well is at the end of one branch of the Gulf Stream, the famed warm-water current that flows from the Gulf of Mexico to the North Atlantic. Several experts said that if the oil enters the stream, it would flow around the southern tip of Florida and up the eastern seaboard.

"It will be on the East Coast of Florida in almost no time," Graber said. "I don't think we can prevent that. It's more of a question of when rather than if."

At the joint command center run by the government and BP near New Orleans, a Coast Guard spokesman maintained Saturday that the leakage remained around 5,000 barrels, or 200,000 gallons, per day.

But Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, appointed Saturday by Obama to lead the government's oil spill response, said no one could pinpoint how much oil is leaking from the ruptured well because of its depth – about a mile underwater.

"Any exact estimation of what's flowing out of those pipes down there is impossible," he told reporters on a conference call.

From land, the scope of the crisis was difficult to see. As of Saturday afternoon, only a light sheen of oil had washed ashore in some places.

Gulf Coast Oil Spill: Rough Seas Thwarting Cleanup


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Bureaucrats to the rescue quite a few days long in coming...but hey...

:eusa_shhh:

That's what I don't get. The Coast Guard generally moves fast.

What are you talking about? The coast gaurd was involved immediately. Just exactly what do you think could have been done up till now? The oil is coming from 5000 feet below the surface. There is no proven machine or gadget or anything that can stop the oil right now. This isn't a readiness or dispersal of emergency relief like Katrina. Before we jump to all kinds of rediculous assumptions lets let a few facts roll in.

This is a discussion Huggy, are you jumping to conclusions? I'm not. I have interest and questions. This will be playing out for a long time. Information is sketchy, it may even vary based on location. The Coast Guard had jurisdiction from the start. What do you know about the original assessment? The time line? What was requested when? There is an Emergency Response element. There are also Political Elements. There is also what we are capable of in relation to what we can afford. What resources do we have available and who controls them, Federal, Military, State, Research, and Business. Lighten up.

What could have been done? What do the experts say?
 
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how much oil is pouring out?

hard to say. Initial reports said there was no leak. Then sunday, bp officials said a pipe near the ocean floor was leaking 1,000 barrels a day from two breaks. Wednesday night, coast guard officials said they had found a third break and now the leak totaled 5,000 barrels a day. If that number is accurate, it would equal the 1989 exxon valdez spill in less than two months. A bp official acknowledged friday that all spill estimates are "highly imprecise," and department of homeland security secretary janet napolitano told reporters they shouldn't get hung up on exact numbers.

has bp done anything to stop the leaking oil?

the company dispatched six remote-controlled submarines to the ocean floor to try to shut off a valve called a blowout preventer, or bop. The bop was supposed to close when the rig exploded, but it did not. No one knows why. So far all other attempts to close it have failed. On friday, interior secretary ken salazar said bp should "work harder and faster and smarter to get the job done."

oil spill q&a: Why can't the experts stop the oil from leaking? - st. Petersburg times




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could the spill get any worse?

yes. Kinks in the pipe are constricting the flow, like pinching a garden hose. The mobile press-register obtained a secret government report outlining concerns that sand spewing out of the pipes with the oil was eroding them. The report said national oceanic and atmospheric administration officials fear that if the pipe erodes too much, "the flow could become unchecked, resulting in a release volume an order of magnitude higher than previously thought."

are there any other options for stopping the spill?

bp officials will try to lower 100-ton metal domes on top of the leaks and funnel the oil up through pipes to storage vessels. They will also begin drilling what's known as a "relief well" nearby, to intercept the oil and plug the leak. That worked with a recent spill off australia and with the second-worst offshore drilling disaster ever, the 1979 ixtoc spill off mexico. The ixtoc well leaked for nine months until two relief wells were drilled to relieve pressure so the spewing well could be capped.

what's wrong with those options?

the domes have never been tried in water deeper than 350 feet, so no one knows if they will work. Getting them ready will require at least two weeks. As for the relief well, it won't be completed for three months — and all the while, a river of oil will continue to spew.
 
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Gov: Coast Guard OKs local spill cleanup plan
By MELINDA DESLATTE (AP) – 55 minutes ago

BATON ROUGE, La. — Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal says the Coast Guard has approved one parish's plan to help contain the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Plaquemines (PLAK'-uh-minz) Parish president Billy Nungesser described the plan earlier Saturday, saying the parish would set up a jack up boat inside the barrier islands where inflatable booms would be distributed.

A jack up boat is a vessel with poles on four corners that allows it to lift itself out of water to become a stationary platform.

The reason for using this technique is that there is not enough boom to make a continuous line around the coast. The jack up boat could be used as a staging center.

Nungesser says St. Bernard Parish has pitched a similar plan, and Jindal has asked every coastal parish to come up with its own plan.
The Associated Press: Gov: Coast Guard OKs local spill cleanup plan
 
Does anyone know...how big exactly would an oil slick become at that level of output?

It's already well over a million gallons. If it takes 3 months to cap it as suggested..10-20 million gallons. Within six months every beach in every country in the Gulf will be slicker than Clinton. Here is an interesting possibility...BP goes bankrupt and the shit rolls uphill to whomever granted the oil lease. Ultimately these FREE leases might come back to bite us in the ass.

What math did you use to come up with "well over a million gallons"? If it is leaking 5,000 barrels a day and there are 40 gallons in a barrel of crude, that's 20,000 gallons a day. It hasn't been over 50 days has it? Have I missed something or do you work for the NFL and are the one responsible for the bullshit numbers they come up with when they want to coerce a city into building a new facility rather than refurbishing an existing one?
 
Does anyone know...how big exactly would an oil slick become at that level of output?

It's already well over a million gallons. If it takes 3 months to cap it as suggested..10-20 million gallons. Within six months every beach in every country in the Gulf will be slicker than Clinton. Here is an interesting possibility...BP goes bankrupt and the shit rolls uphill to whomever granted the oil lease. Ultimately these FREE leases might come back to bite us in the ass.

What math did you use to come up with "well over a million gallons"? If it is leaking 5,000 barrels a day and there are 40 gallons in a barrel of crude, that's 20,000 gallons a day. It hasn't been over 50 days has it? Have I missed something or do you work for the NFL and are the one responsible for the bullshit numbers they come up with when they want to coerce a city into building a new facility rather than refurbishing an existing one?

The News Tribune reports 1.6 million gallons. I guess thier math is crazy also.

www.thenewstribune.com/.../bp-plan-deemed-major-spill-from.html
 
Amid increased fingerpointing, the government desperately cast about for new ideas for dealing with the growing environmental crisis. Obama halted any new offshore drilling projects unless rigs have new safeguards to prevent another disaster.

Officials have said stemming the flow of oil is their top priority, but the seas have been too rough and the winds too strong to burn off the oil, suck it up effectively with skimmer vessels, or hold it in check with the miles of orange and yellow inflatable booms strung along the coast.

The floating barriers broke loose in the choppy water, and waves sent oily water lapping over them.

BP also sought ideas from some of its rivals and was using at least one of them Friday - applying chemicals underwater to break up the oil before it reaches the surface. That had never before been attempted at such depths.

BP and federal authorities said the dispersant was released overnight at the site of the leak, nearly 5,000 feet underwater, and they were evaluating the effort Saturday.

As dawn broke Saturday over Venice, many of the oil-cleaning boats began another day tied to the docks.

A few boats made their way out in St. Bernard parish in eastern Louisiana, loaded with boom that would be wrapped around the coastal marshlands there. Back in Venice, local officials were meeting in hopes of activating a plan to allow shrimpers and other locals to drop booms.

"It's just the weather holding them up right now," said Coast Guard spokesman Cory Mendenhall. "They're looking at six- to nine-foot seas. Once they can, they'll resume."

My Way News - Expert: Surface area of gulf oil spill has tripled
 
BP..... British Petroleum..... its not going under, exxon didn't go under after a couple big tanker spills and neither will they. All that will happen is douchebag politicians will use this to steamroll cap and trade through..... So this is how we will get our tax on life? Great, thanks a lot for this... Don't worry you won't realize its a problem until its starts to effect you... Remember shit rolls downhill. And no matter how big the hill is it always ends somewhere. So In 5 or 10 years and the cap and trade rates increase, and multiple billionaires are walking out with their money, and the series of trading scams, busts and bubbles all happen, you can thank your sorry selves for this...
 
BP..... British Petroleum..... its not going under, exxon didn't go under after a couple big tanker spills and neither will they. All that will happen is douchebag politicians will use this to steamroll cap and trade through..... So this is how we will get our tax on life? Great, thanks a lot for this... Don't worry you won't realize its a problem until its starts to effect you... Remember shit rolls downhill. And no matter how big the hill is it always ends somewhere. So In 5 or 10 years and the cap and trade rates increase, and multiple billionaires are walking out with their money, and the series of trading scams, busts and bubbles all happen, you can thank your sorry selves for this...

The Exxon spill and this one are two different situations entirely. Exxon got away with a penalty 1/100th of the judgement. The Alaskan incident didn't involve alot of public beaches ..or fishing industry right in the way of the spill. The crab and salmon runs were barely affected.

This spill is a horse of an entirely different color. Unlike the Alaskan tragedy as the winds change direction this oil is going to go all around the Gulf poisoning every fishery in its path. It will be a disaster of epic proportions. The Alaska oil happened in very cold water where the oil formed gummy balls almost immediately. This oil is in warm water that will get much warmer allowing the oil to penetrate much deeper into the estuaries where the sea life spawn. I have lived on or very near the ocean my whole life. It is not alarmist to state that without a doubt...The states on the Gulf ...BP ....all the countries on the gulf are FUCKED!!!! Mark my words...this is the biggest natural disaster of all time..and we(humans) caused it.There may not be the loss of human life like Haiti but in economic terms...we are totally screwed. It took the Alaskans decades to only get MOST of the oil spilled in conditions that lent itself to oil recovery. The ECO system around the gulf will be DEAD within a year.
 
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The Exxon spill and this one are two different situations entirely. Exxon got away with a penalty 1/100th of the judgement. The Alaskan incident didn't involve alot of public beaches ..or fishing industry right in the way of the spill. The crab and salmon runs were barely affected.

This spill is a horse of an entirely different color. Unlike the Alaskan tragedy as the winds change direction this oil is going to go all around the Gulf poisoning every fishery in its path. It will be a disaster of epic proportions. The Alaska oil happened in very cold water where the oil formed gummy balls almost immediately. This oil is in warm water that will get much warmer allowing the oil to penetrate much deeper into the estuaries where the sea life spawn. I have lived on or very near the ocean my whole life. It is not alarmist to state that without a doubt...The states on the Gulf ...BP ....all the countries on the gulf are FUCKED!!!! Mark my words...this is the biggest natural disaster of all time..and we(humans) caused it.There may not be the loss of human life like Haiti but in economic terms...we are totally screwed. It took the Alaskans decades to only get MOST of the oil spilled in conditions that lent itself to oil recovery. The ECO system around the gulf will be DEAD within a year.
Nonsence !
" The greatest country on earth" will fix this up in a heartbeat.
Gawd blass Murka !!!
The entire Northern Hemisphere is fucked...................
 
It's already well over a million gallons. If it takes 3 months to cap it as suggested..10-20 million gallons. Within six months every beach in every country in the Gulf will be slicker than Clinton. Here is an interesting possibility...BP goes bankrupt and the shit rolls uphill to whomever granted the oil lease. Ultimately these FREE leases might come back to bite us in the ass.
Yeah, I was thinking about that, too. I can't see BP surviving this and I just read they are self-insured ... in other words, they have to pay the cost of clean up out of their own pockets.

Not that it will matter much to me if the Florida coast is trashed.

Just what the economy needs. Another fucking huge government bailout.

Obama's Lawyers will fix everything Ravi. Only a week late out of the gate. No problem. ;););)
I've no idea what you think Obama could have done...I don't think anyone can really do much of anything if this is as bad as the link in the OP says. I don't even blame BP...I blame decades of letting the oil companies regulate themselves because so many voters in this country are convinced that regulation equals communism.

(sorry Xo!)

But go right ahead and blame Obama, I could care less...if this leads to more grown up thought over potential country destroying insanity I'm sure it will be blame well spent, however deluded.
 

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