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[ding]

I am. I debate with Atheist too.

Doesn't matter. Either of them says you aren't an agnostic. An agnostic believes it isn't possible to know of the existence of God one way or the other. You see all kinds of clever combinations of atheist, agnostic, rational, etc. but they are all just because even atheists recoil at the thought of being atheists. I don't blame them either. It's a horrible philosophy.

 

[Meriweather]

BTW, you don't get in by doing good works. So you can be a selfish asshole, or Hitler, and still get in?

Heaven is open to all. One has to choose not to enter in.

 

[ding]

Because it was a book that said Jesus Christ was the only way and path to Heaven.
While the Quran interpreted Jesus as a prophet.
And Judaism, well they are fucked up.

So what? Who cares?

 

[Meriweather]

But only one is the true faith. It is said so in the Bible itself.

And what is that true faith?

 

[Slyhunter]

An individual takes their consul with God and many sources around them to determine who they want to be.
To know God is to not be a slaver. One must be careful of false gods and false interpretations by mortal man.
Mortal man has used god as an excuse to do horrific things. One must be humbly discerning of the word of God.

Those who live in fear of god have a dark belief in God.

I've been tempted to be a Pagan --> What is Paganism? - Pagan Federation International
But this sounds fun ---> Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster – The world's fastest growing religion

BTW, as a true believer, do you know why Men have Nipples? I mean we were created from dirt and ash, a woman was created by a rib and needs them to feed babies, but not until after they ate that durn Apple. Why did God give men Nipples

Oh, I know why --> Why Do Men Have Nipples?

 

[Meriweather]

The Bible teaches that you need to be a Slave to God and you must subsume your will to that of God's will and only do those things God wants you to do. One passage says we are God's Clay Pots to do with as he wills, to choose or not choose as he wills. To smash a pot just because he feels like it or to make one chosen, like he did the Israelites. I don't want to be a Clay Pot. I am humble enough to understand in the grand scope of things I am still a child to a god like being, but I will never be a Clay Pot.

Think metaphor. A potter knows what he designed each item to be, what each item is best for. A successful plate might have a very difficult time being a bowl.

 

[Slyhunter]

That's a pretty horrible understanding of it. It's your biases and ignorance that have led to your misunderstanding. You seem to have a JW or Mormon drone kind of mindset about religion. Maybe go converse with one of those because you won't like what I have to say.

It says so explicitly in the books. Better to be a slave to God, for to love money makes you a slave to it, or to whatever you crave.
And to explain why he chose the Israelites, they told the fable of the Clay pots.

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2 Bible results for “clay pots” from
New International Version.
Results 1-2.

1. Isaiah 45:9
   “Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground. Does the claysay to the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘The potter has no hands’?
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2. Lamentations 4:2
   How the precious children of Zion, once worth their weight in gold, are now considered as pots of clay, the work of a potter’s hands!
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8 Bible results for “clay pot” from
21st Century King James Version.
Results 1-8.

1. Isaiah 29:16
   Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay; for shall the work say of him that made it, “He made me not”? Or shall the thing formed say of him that formed it, “He had no understanding”?
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2. Isaiah 41:25
   “I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come; from the rising of the sun shall he call upon My name. And he shall come upon princes as upon mortar, and as the potter treadeth clay.
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3. Isaiah 45:9
   “Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the claysay to him that fashioneth it, ‘What makest thou?’ or thy work, ‘He hath no hands’?
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4. Isaiah 64:8
   But now, O Lord, Thou art our Father; we are the clay, and Thou our potter; and we all are the work of Thy hand.
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5. Jeremiah 18:4
   And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter; so he made it again another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to make it.
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6. Jeremiah 18:6
   “O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter?” saith the Lord. “Behold, as the clay is in the potter’s hand, so are ye in Mine hand, O house of Israel.
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7. Daniel 2:41
   And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potter’s clay and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it the strength of the iron, inasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
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8. Romans 9:21
   Hath not the potter power over the clayto make from the same lump one vessel unto honor and another unto dishonor?
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It used to be real hard to do this research, but now it is really easy. Pick your version of the bible you like and do your own search.

 

[ding]

It says so explicitly in the books. Better to be a slave to God, for to love money makes you a slave to it, or to whatever you crave.
And to explain why he chose the Israelites, they told the fable of the Clay pots.

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It used to be real hard to do this research, but now it is really easy. Pick your version of the bible you like and do your own search.

Again... so what? What's your point? Are you looking for my permission?

 

[Crepitus]

And there you have it. I don't fear no demon legions. I know how to deal with that.
Get thee behind me, demons. In the name of The Lord God I command thee.

Dude, I'm not really a demon. They aren't real.

Don't be afraid, I was just kidding.

 

[Slyhunter]

65 Bible results for “Slave” from
New King James Version.
Results 1-25.

9 Bible results for “Slave to god” from
New King James Version.
Results 1-9.

1. Genesis 44:16
   Then Judah said, “What shall we say to my lord? What shall we speak? Or how shall we clear ourselves? God has found out the iniquity of your servants; here we are, my lord’s slaves, both we and healso with whom the cup was found.”
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2. Deuteronomy 5:15
   And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you tokeep the Sabbath day.
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3. Deuteronomy 15:15
   You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God redeemed you; therefore I command you this thing today.
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4. Deuteronomy 24:18
   But you shall remember that you were a slave in Egypt, and the Lord your God redeemed you from there; therefore I command you todo this thing.
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5. 2 Chronicles 28:10
   And now you propose to force the children of Judah and Jerusalem to be your male and female slaves; but are you not also guilty before the Lord your God?
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6. Ezra 9:9
   For we were slaves. Yet our God did not forsake us in our bondage; but He extended mercy to us in the sight of the kings of Persia, to revive us, to repair the house of our God, to rebuild its ruins, and togive us a wall in Judah and Jerusalem.
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7. Romans 6:15
   

   From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God​

   What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
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8. Romans 6:17
   But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine towhich you were delivered.
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9. Romans 6:22
   But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit toholiness, and the end, everlasting life.
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[Slyhunter]

Again... so what? What's your point? Are you looking for my permission?

No, my goal is to wipe your blinders from your eyes and save you from your own ignorance.

• Romans 6:22
  But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit toholiness, and the end, everlasting life.
  In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

It doesn't cover all that I studied. There were more docs from the time, and also books that were not included in what we call the Bible, for what I believe, were biased reasons that they used to not include them.

 

[ding]

No, my goal is to wipe your blinders from your eyes and save you from your own ignorance.



It doesn't cover all that I studied. There were more docs from the time, and also books that were not included in what we call the Bible, for what I believe, were biased reasons that they used to not include them.

But you are agnostic.

 

[kjw47]

Schizophrenia inspired Revelation. Mental illness wasn't just invented recently.

God disguised things to keep satan and his angels in darkness, men as well. Until these last days those truths would be revealed through these-Matt 24:45.
Like at Rev 13--A 7 headed beast with 10 horns and a 2 horned beast--These aren't monsters, they have been in this world for quite awhile now.

 

[kjw47]

No. You share your interpretations. And as far as Revelation goes, I don't share yours. Is this hard for you to accept?

There is only 1 interpretation that is correct=Gods. One must have truth for ones worship to be acceptable to God=John 4:22-24--See RIGHTeous. One must be right.

 

[kjw47]

I'm curious... were you told to believe these things? Is it even an option in your faith to believe different? Does everyone in your faith have to believe these things?

The teachings of Jesus in every translation on earth back my teachers. Israelite true God worship history backs my teachers 100%--that is how one knows who is correct. We choose with our free will to listen to these-Matt 24:45

 

[Slyhunter]

But you are agnostic.

I don't know what happens next. I used to be a die-hard Christian. Furthermore, I believe both Theist and Atheist have gotten it wrong because they both depend on faith for their beliefs. I believe no man knows the answer, thus the Religious books are, like the Greek Mythos, works of fiction. There may be a god, or a giant spirit using it's light to draw stupid little spirits in so he can eat them. I don't know. But those who think they know are faith based idiots.

 

[ding]

I don't know what happens next. I used to be a die-hard Christian. Furthermore, I believe both Theist and Atheist have gotten it wrong because they both depend on faith for their beliefs. I believe no man knows the answer, thus the Religious books are, like the Greek Mythos, works of fiction. There may be a god, or a giant spirit using it's light to draw stupid little spirits in so he can eat them. I don't know. But those who think they know are faith based idiots.

And here you are trying to change my beliefs while you yourself are agnostic. That doesn't sound very agnostic like to me.

 

[ding]

I don't know.

But you are arguing like you do.

 

[ding]

But those who think they know are faith based idiots.

It works to my advantage when people underestimate me. Also your statement is a textbook example of the dunning effect which states that people of low intelligence underestimate the intelligence of others and overestimate their own intelligence. Doesn't that sound like what you are doing? Let's test that with some empirical evidence, shall we? I am a degreed engineer who practiced engineering for over 38 years. Not exactly the evidence of an idiot. What have you done that could be used as evidence to prove you are not an idiot?

 

[ding]

There is only 1 interpretation that is correct=Gods. One must have truth for ones worship to be acceptable to God=John 4:22-24--See RIGHTeous. One must be right.

Apparently it is hard for you to accept.