Wonders of Islam: oceans of lights, from the heavens

[JGalt]

Adam was not "prophet." He and Eve gave us "original sin" and we've been paying for it ever since.

Jesus was not a "prophet" either. He is the Son of God who died on the cross so that all could be saved. No other so-called "diety" healed the sick, raised the dead, or fed the multitude from only a few loaves of bread and some fishes. No other so-called "diety" was put to death and was resurrected. He sits at the tight-hand side of God awaiting the time when all will be judged.

If God appeard to Adam and gave him commandments, then that makes Adam a prophet

God was not a stranger to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, He was there with them. So He didn't "appear" to Adam.

If God gave commandments to Adam and he dispensed them to the rest of humanity. Which he did. That makes Adam a prophet.

Ahh, but the only commandments God gave Adam and Eve were as in Genesis 2:16-17..

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

That is the only known instance of God commanding Adam to do anything. Most "prophesies" as generally referred to in the Bible, foretell the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Old testament is full of them, 355 to be exact. And every one of them is so accurate it's uncanny...

AccordingtotheScriptures.org :: 355 Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus Christ

 

[tyroneweaver]

Adam was not "prophet." He and Eve gave us "original sin" and we've been paying for it ever since.

Jesus was not a "prophet" either. He is the Son of God who died on the cross so that all could be saved. No other so-called "diety" healed the sick, raised the dead, or fed the multitude from only a few loaves of bread and some fishes. No other so-called "diety" was put to death and was resurrected. He sits at the tight-hand side of God awaiting the time when all will be judged.

If God appeard to Adam and gave him commandments, then that makes Adam a prophet

God was not a stranger to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, He was there with them. So He didn't "appear" to Adam.

If God gave commandments to Adam and he dispensed them to the rest of humanity. Which he did. That makes Adam a prophet.

Ahh, but the only commandments God gave Adam and Eve were as in Genesis 2:16-17..

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

That is the only known instance of God commanding Adam to do anything. Most "prophesies" as generally referred to in the Bible, foretell the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Old testament is full of them, 355 to be exact. And every one of them is so accurate it's uncanny...

AccordingtotheScriptures.org :: 355 Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus Christ

So you believe the 10 commandments didn't come until Mt. Sinai?

 

[JGalt]

Adam was not "prophet." He and Eve gave us "original sin" and we've been paying for it ever since.

Jesus was not a "prophet" either. He is the Son of God who died on the cross so that all could be saved. No other so-called "diety" healed the sick, raised the dead, or fed the multitude from only a few loaves of bread and some fishes. No other so-called "diety" was put to death and was resurrected. He sits at the tight-hand side of God awaiting the time when all will be judged.

If God appeard to Adam and gave him commandments, then that makes Adam a prophet

God was not a stranger to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, He was there with them. So He didn't "appear" to Adam.

If God gave commandments to Adam and he dispensed them to the rest of humanity. Which he did. That makes Adam a prophet.

Ahh, but the only commandments God gave Adam and Eve were as in Genesis 2:16-17..

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

That is the only known instance of God commanding Adam to do anything. Most "prophesies" as generally referred to in the Bible, foretell the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Old testament is full of them, 355 to be exact. And every one of them is so accurate it's uncanny...

AccordingtotheScriptures.org :: 355 Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus Christ

So you believe the 10 commandments didn't come until Mt. Sinai?

They didn't come until Moses.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Well, once again we differ.

 

[SweetSue92]

Thanks for the replies. I am however confused.

Comparing prophets is alright. Abraham (peace be upon him) is known as the "friend of God". Moses (peace be upon him) is known as "one who talks with God" and the "confident of God" (meaning one to whom God tells intimate things). Jesus (peace be upon him) is known as a Spirit of God, and a Word from Him. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is known as the Prophet of God and His Messenger.

Abraham's life and story, his personage indicates being lost in love.

Moses's life and story, his personage indicates sublimity.

Jesus's life and story, his personage indicates prophethood.

Muhammad's life and story, his personage indicates unique wisdom.

Islam is a marvelous and most magnificent religion. God Almighty Himself has a religion, that being Islam: "Truly, the religion with God is Islam" (3:19).

Allah is not even close to the same God that the early OT prophets worshiped, I am sorry to tell you.

God is God. Whether talked of by Moses, or Muhammad or Jesus, peace be upon them, He is the same One and Unique God. The Name "Allah" is one of His 99 Names, and the most famous of them. It does not indicate another God.

Your god is monotheistic. He cannot be the God of the Bible, Who is a Trinity. One of them is a false god.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

One of them is a false god.

Or, much more likely, they both are.

 

[mudwhistle]

God sent prophets throughout time and ages to tell people to build relationships with Him. The first prophet was Adam. Then there were many, like Seth, Elijah, David, Solomon, Jonah, Salih, Abraham, Moses, Noah, John the Baptist, Jesus, peace on them all. When God wanted to end prophethood (it's been quite a long time since Adam), He sent Muhammad, peace be upon him, the last of all prophets, there shall be no prophet after him, and he is known as The Seal of the Prophets.

God sent him a book: the Qur'an. God says in it:

Glorified (and Exalted) be He (God) Who took His slave (Muhammad) for a journey by night from
AI-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) to AI-Masjid-al-Aqsa (in Jerusalem), the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him (Muhammad) of Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, etc.). Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer. (17:1)


All in one night, Muhammad travelled to Jerusalem, then from Jerusalem to the heavens, mounted on a heavenly mount by the name of Buraq, and accompanied with the Archangel Gabriel; then came back to his home in Mecca after this, after having had this journey and visit to God Almighty.

It is a magnificent and sublime religion. Unsurprisingly, it is the religion that counts the more people of all the religions in the whole world (if Catholics are separated from the other denominations of Christians, else, this is not so).

God says: Indeed in the Messenger of God (Muhammad) you have a good
example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with God) and the Last Day, and
remembers God much. (33:21)


Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "It is enough for a man to prove himself a liar when he goes on narrating whatever he hears."

"People will run away from Dajjal (the Antichrist) seeking shelter in the mountains."

"Leave what makes you doubt for what does not make you doubt. Verily, truth brings peace of mind and falsehood sows doubt."

'''Have no desire for this world, God will love you; and have no desire for what people possess, people will love you."

"There lies within the body a piece of flesh. If it is sound, the whole body is sound; and if it is corrupted, the whole body is corrupted. Verily this piece is the heart."

"Purification is half of faith."

"A slave becomes nearest to his Lord when he is in prostration. So increase supplications while prostrating."

"It does not befit a Siddiq (righteous Muslim) to frequently curse others."


The perversity associated with Islam comes from wicked interpretations of perverted men. Islam is in no way related to that.

Islam is a religion.....and religions were created to give people an excuse for bigotry.

 

[Ahmad]

Islam was designed to overtake the world and one would have to say, the design is working quite well.

That is why it is critical America does not allow a significant Muslim population in America, and should block Muslims from being in our government. There is nothing in Islam that aligns with America.

You are wrong. The US constitution is inspired by Islam (freedom of religion is a Muslim concept from the early-beginnings of Islam, it has never been Christian, let alone Jewish).

 

[Ahmad]

You mean to insinuate that Muhammad (peace be upon him) committed rapes and murders. That is not the case. He waged many wars, because, like all prophets, he was severely fought without fighting back, for years. In the end God ordered him to fight back, it was enough turning the other cheek (13 years of harsh 7th century persecution without fighting back). Only then came the 9 years of fighting back. 13+9=22, accounting for the 22 years of revelation.

As to rape, this is not so. Before Muhammad spoke, girls were buried alive, just for being girls. If someone had a girl, he would bury her alive. But a boy was ok. This is how it was, as well as many other things. You don't tell these people to marry one wife only and to never ever divorce. This would be like speaking Chinese. Changes come step by step. So Muhammad (peace be upon him) ordered to not bury girls alive, to have great respect for girls and women, that a boy and a girl are the same, that greatness is in honouring one's wife, that divorce is allowed but most hated by God, that they could have up to 4 wives (though he still emphasizes to honour one's wife as ultimately as one can think of), that sexual intercourse with one's female servant is not adultery (people had servants and slaves at the time, male and female). Muslim women veil their hair. This means the hair of the woman is almost sacred, not to be shared with any eyes out there, just the husband and the family. This is what I think.

You mean to insinuate that Muhammad (peace be upon him) committed rapes and murders.

Insinuate?

:suggest or hint (something bad or reprehensible) in an indirect and unpleasant way.

No. I'll come right out and state that he did.

As to rape, this is not so. Before Muhammad spoke, girls were buried alive, just for being girls.

And that's why the human race died out.....no girls. DURR

If someone had a girl, he would bury her alive.

And after Muhammad spoke, you could rape before you murdered.

Just so I know, do you hate me ? I mean, since I am 500 % Muslim. If so, I don't hate you. Islam forbids me to hate you or any human being. As a matter of fact, Islam forbids me to hate any living thing.

I don't hate you. Can you tell your fellow Muslims to stop killing infidels? Thanks!

Do you think you can tell someone who kills people, "please stop the killing" ?

You can try. Of course, if they're devout Muslims, they might kill you if you do.

Only someone on drugs would try.

 

[Ahmad]

Islam was designed to overtake the world and one would have to say, the design is working quite well.

Islam overtook the world long long long time ago. That's a thing long past. This world of today, that's new and fresh and it's nothing like Islam has been of old, dominating the whole world.

 

[Ahmad]

God sent prophets throughout time and ages to tell people to build relationships with Him. The first prophet was Adam. Then there were many, like Seth, Elijah, David, Solomon, Jonah, Salih, Abraham, Moses, Noah, John the Baptist, Jesus, peace on them all. When God wanted to end prophethood (it's been quite a long time since Adam), He sent Muhammad, peace be upon him, the last of all prophets, there shall be no prophet after him, and he is known as The Seal of the Prophets.

God sent him a book: the Qur'an. God says in it:

Glorified (and Exalted) be He (God) Who took His slave (Muhammad) for a journey by night from
AI-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) to AI-Masjid-al-Aqsa (in Jerusalem), the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him (Muhammad) of Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, etc.). Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer. (17:1)


All in one night, Muhammad travelled to Jerusalem, then from Jerusalem to the heavens, mounted on a heavenly mount by the name of Buraq, and accompanied with the Archangel Gabriel; then came back to his home in Mecca after this, after having had this journey and visit to God Almighty.

It is a magnificent and sublime religion. Unsurprisingly, it is the religion that counts the more people of all the religions in the whole world (if Catholics are separated from the other denominations of Christians, else, this is not so).

God says: Indeed in the Messenger of God (Muhammad) you have a good
example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with God) and the Last Day, and
remembers God much. (33:21)


Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "It is enough for a man to prove himself a liar when he goes on narrating whatever he hears."

"People will run away from Dajjal (the Antichrist) seeking shelter in the mountains."

"Leave what makes you doubt for what does not make you doubt. Verily, truth brings peace of mind and falsehood sows doubt."

'''Have no desire for this world, God will love you; and have no desire for what people possess, people will love you."

"There lies within the body a piece of flesh. If it is sound, the whole body is sound; and if it is corrupted, the whole body is corrupted. Verily this piece is the heart."

"Purification is half of faith."

"A slave becomes nearest to his Lord when he is in prostration. So increase supplications while prostrating."

"It does not befit a Siddiq (righteous Muslim) to frequently curse others."


The perversity associated with Islam comes from wicked interpretations of perverted men. Islam is in no way related to that.

THE DEVIL IS A LIAR!

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Acts 4:12

That name is Jesus

He died for you too

For me ? It's offensive, and tragic, that he (Prophet Jesus) was killed, peace be upon him. As such Christians can only battle with depression, heart-diseases, anxiety and so on. It's even offensive and crushing that God would have a human son, that God would be "white", or "black", or "Israelite", or European or whatever...That makes absolutely no sense and very much fills scientists (the narrow minded ones) with great arrogance.

He was not killed, he was raised to heavens and the one who sought to betray him, was made to look like him and was killed in his place.

 

[Ahmad]

Islam was designed to overtake the world and one would have to say, the design is working quite well.

Hey, they just want to live at peace among their Christian and Jewish brothers. Don t blame them just because a few bad apples want to take over the world!

No, Islam is about God. To love Him and seek His love. Muhammad (peace be upon him) said that the truest word a poet ever spoke is what Labid said: Everything except God is vain.

 

[Ahmad]

He could neither read nor write so indeed his wisdom was unique. Of all the people you mentioned only one was a warlord. Mohammed. Pretty wise.

His illiteracy had profound effect on his message. It should be noted that the illiteracy of the Prophet is not something defaming the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Rather, this was for certain wisdom from God , Glory be to Him. It might be that people have firm faith that the Prophet did not bring this book from his own nor plagiarized it but it is indeed revealed to him.

"And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt. Rather, the Qur’an is distinct verses [preserved] within the chests of those who have been given knowledge. And none reject Our verses except the wrongdoers. "(29:48-49)​

He, on the other hand, as the leader of the new society gave special attention to education. After the battle of Badr, Muslims captures 70 Meccan polytheists. Most of the Meccans, unlike the Medinese, were literate and so each prisoner who could not afford the ransom was entrusted with ten children to teach them the art of writing and reading. Once the child had been proficient enough, the instructor would be set free.

You should be in the press. First time I heard someone state illiteracy is a “gift”. How about the Warlord piece?

His being illiterate is just a fact about him, and yes it indicates greatness; as God went to him when He needed a prophet, not some guy who knew very well how to read or write. It has also a deeper spiritual meaning.

With all due respect, that is just your opinion.

That's what you think, and what you like to think.

 

[Ahmad]

Thanks for the replies. I am however confused.

Comparing prophets is alright. Abraham (peace be upon him) is known as the "friend of God". Moses (peace be upon him) is known as "one who talks with God" and the "confident of God" (meaning one to whom God tells intimate things). Jesus (peace be upon him) is known as a Spirit of God, and a Word from Him. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is known as the Prophet of God and His Messenger.

Abraham's life and story, his personage indicates being lost in love.

Moses's life and story, his personage indicates sublimity.

Jesus's life and story, his personage indicates prophethood.

Muhammad's life and story, his personage indicates unique wisdom.

Islam is a marvelous and most magnificent religion. God Almighty Himself has a religion, that being Islam: "Truly, the religion with God is Islam" (3:19).

He could neither read nor write so indeed his wisdom was unique. Of all the people you mentioned only one was a warlord. Mohammed. Pretty wise.

Wars of prophets have existed since forever. David for instance, Alexander (though not an actual prophet, but a righteous), and many prophets. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not the first. Crusaders made wars, just so you know.

He was the first and only. Jesus and Moses were not warlords. It takes two to war...I am fairly certain that Islam gained followers via conquest. If not for Charles Martel, Europe may have become another conquest although it looks as though Islam is penetrating it quite effectively now.

You never heard the phrase "David and Goliath" ? David and other prophets of old made wars. Do you tell me that the Bible does not mention that ? And do you not know that Alexander made wars ? This great world conqueror, he was a righteous, a man of God. Such a magnificent conqueror, did you think he was a worldly man ? No he is a man of God, well known to Muslims (see "Dhul Qarnayn" in the last verses of Chapter 18 of the Qur'an).

 

[Ahmad]

He could neither read nor write so indeed his wisdom was unique. Of all the people you mentioned only one was a warlord. Mohammed. Pretty wise.

His illiteracy had profound effect on his message. It should be noted that the illiteracy of the Prophet is not something defaming the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Rather, this was for certain wisdom from God , Glory be to Him. It might be that people have firm faith that the Prophet did not bring this book from his own nor plagiarized it but it is indeed revealed to him.

"And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt. Rather, the Qur’an is distinct verses [preserved] within the chests of those who have been given knowledge. And none reject Our verses except the wrongdoers. "(29:48-49)​

He, on the other hand, as the leader of the new society gave special attention to education. After the battle of Badr, Muslims captures 70 Meccan polytheists. Most of the Meccans, unlike the Medinese, were literate and so each prisoner who could not afford the ransom was entrusted with ten children to teach them the art of writing and reading. Once the child had been proficient enough, the instructor would be set free.

You should be in the press. First time I heard someone state illiteracy is a “gift”. How about the Warlord piece?

His being illiterate is just a fact about him, and yes it indicates greatness; as God went to him when He needed a prophet, not some guy who knew very well how to read or write. It has also a deeper spiritual meaning.

With all due respect, that is just your opinion.

No, your assumption that it is "my" opinion. Have you never heard the phrase "David and Goliath" ? Many prophets of old made wars, and Alexander the Great also. This great world conqueror, he was a God-fearing man. Did you think he was a worldly man ? He is a man of God, well known to Muslims (see "Dhul Qarnayn" in the last verses of Chapter 18 of the Qur'an).

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Thanks for the replies. I am however confused.

Comparing prophets is alright. Abraham (peace be upon him) is known as the "friend of God". Moses (peace be upon him) is known as "one who talks with God" and the "confident of God" (meaning one to whom God tells intimate things). Jesus (peace be upon him) is known as a Spirit of God, and a Word from Him. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is known as the Prophet of God and His Messenger.

Abraham's life and story, his personage indicates being lost in love.

Moses's life and story, his personage indicates sublimity.

Jesus's life and story, his personage indicates prophethood.

Muhammad's life and story, his personage indicates unique wisdom.

Islam is a marvelous and most magnificent religion. God Almighty Himself has a religion, that being Islam: "Truly, the religion with God is Islam" (3:19).

He could neither read nor write so indeed his wisdom was unique. Of all the people you mentioned only one was a warlord. Mohammed. Pretty wise.

Wars of prophets have existed since forever. David for instance, Alexander (though not an actual prophet, but a righteous), and many prophets. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not the first. Crusaders made wars, just so you know.

He was the first and only. Jesus and Moses were not warlords. It takes two to war...I am fairly certain that Islam gained followers via conquest. If not for Charles Martel, Europe may have become another conquest although it looks as though Islam is penetrating it quite effectively now.

You never heard the phrase "David and Goliath" ? David and other prophets of old made wars. Do you tell me that the Bible does not mention that ? And do you not know that Alexander made wars ? This great world conqueror, he was a righteous, a man of God. Such a magnificent conqueror, did you think he was a worldly man ? No he is a man of God, well known to Muslims (see "Dhul Qarnayn" in the last verses of Chapter 18 of the Qur'an).

Nope. Sorry he was just a warmonger. Like Mohammed. Jesus and Moses were not warlords unlike Mohammed.

 

[Ahmad]

God sent prophets throughout time and ages to tell people to build relationships with Him. The first prophet was Adam. Then there were many, like Seth, Elijah, David, Solomon, Jonah, Salih, Abraham, Moses, Noah, John the Baptist, Jesus, peace on them all. When God wanted to end prophethood (it's been quite a long time since Adam), He sent Muhammad, peace be upon him, the last of all prophets, there shall be no prophet after him, and he is known as The Seal of the Prophets.

God sent him a book: the Qur'an. God says in it:

Glorified (and Exalted) be He (God) Who took His slave (Muhammad) for a journey by night from
AI-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) to AI-Masjid-al-Aqsa (in Jerusalem), the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him (Muhammad) of Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, etc.). Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer. (17:1)


All in one night, Muhammad travelled to Jerusalem, then from Jerusalem to the heavens, mounted on a heavenly mount by the name of Buraq, and accompanied with the Archangel Gabriel; then came back to his home in Mecca after this, after having had this journey and visit to God Almighty.

It is a magnificent and sublime religion. Unsurprisingly, it is the religion that counts the more people of all the religions in the whole world (if Catholics are separated from the other denominations of Christians, else, this is not so).

God says: Indeed in the Messenger of God (Muhammad) you have a good
example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with God) and the Last Day, and
remembers God much. (33:21)


Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "It is enough for a man to prove himself a liar when he goes on narrating whatever he hears."

"People will run away from Dajjal (the Antichrist) seeking shelter in the mountains."

"Leave what makes you doubt for what does not make you doubt. Verily, truth brings peace of mind and falsehood sows doubt."

'''Have no desire for this world, God will love you; and have no desire for what people possess, people will love you."

"There lies within the body a piece of flesh. If it is sound, the whole body is sound; and if it is corrupted, the whole body is corrupted. Verily this piece is the heart."

"Purification is half of faith."

"A slave becomes nearest to his Lord when he is in prostration. So increase supplications while prostrating."

"It does not befit a Siddiq (righteous Muslim) to frequently curse others."


The perversity associated with Islam comes from wicked interpretations of perverted men. Islam is in no way related to that.

Islam is a religion.....and religions were created to give people an excuse for bigotry.

That's not common sense, but "easy soft and laid back" sense.

 

[Ahmad]

Thanks for the replies. I am however confused.

Comparing prophets is alright. Abraham (peace be upon him) is known as the "friend of God". Moses (peace be upon him) is known as "one who talks with God" and the "confident of God" (meaning one to whom God tells intimate things). Jesus (peace be upon him) is known as a Spirit of God, and a Word from Him. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is known as the Prophet of God and His Messenger.

Abraham's life and story, his personage indicates being lost in love.

Moses's life and story, his personage indicates sublimity.

Jesus's life and story, his personage indicates prophethood.

Muhammad's life and story, his personage indicates unique wisdom.

Islam is a marvelous and most magnificent religion. God Almighty Himself has a religion, that being Islam: "Truly, the religion with God is Islam" (3:19).

He could neither read nor write so indeed his wisdom was unique. Of all the people you mentioned only one was a warlord. Mohammed. Pretty wise.

Wars of prophets have existed since forever. David for instance, Alexander (though not an actual prophet, but a righteous), and many prophets. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not the first. Crusaders made wars, just so you know.

He was the first and only. Jesus and Moses were not warlords. It takes two to war...I am fairly certain that Islam gained followers via conquest. If not for Charles Martel, Europe may have become another conquest although it looks as though Islam is penetrating it quite effectively now.

You never heard the phrase "David and Goliath" ? David and other prophets of old made wars. Do you tell me that the Bible does not mention that ? And do you not know that Alexander made wars ? This great world conqueror, he was a righteous, a man of God. Such a magnificent conqueror, did you think he was a worldly man ? No he is a man of God, well known to Muslims (see "Dhul Qarnayn" in the last verses of Chapter 18 of the Qur'an).

Nope. Sorry he was just a warmonger. Like Mohammed. Jesus and Moses were not warlords unlike Mohammed.

Jesus and Moses have such love for Muhammad, it pains me to see you talk of them this way. I guarantee you they absolutely abhor it.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

He could neither read nor write so indeed his wisdom was unique. Of all the people you mentioned only one was a warlord. Mohammed. Pretty wise.

Wars of prophets have existed since forever. David for instance, Alexander (though not an actual prophet, but a righteous), and many prophets. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not the first. Crusaders made wars, just so you know.

He was the first and only. Jesus and Moses were not warlords. It takes two to war...I am fairly certain that Islam gained followers via conquest. If not for Charles Martel, Europe may have become another conquest although it looks as though Islam is penetrating it quite effectively now.

You never heard the phrase "David and Goliath" ? David and other prophets of old made wars. Do you tell me that the Bible does not mention that ? And do you not know that Alexander made wars ? This great world conqueror, he was a righteous, a man of God. Such a magnificent conqueror, did you think he was a worldly man ? No he is a man of God, well known to Muslims (see "Dhul Qarnayn" in the last verses of Chapter 18 of the Qur'an).

Nope. Sorry he was just a warmonger. Like Mohammed. Jesus and Moses were not warlords unlike Mohammed.

Jesus and Moses have such love for Muhammad, it pains me to see you talk of them this way. I guarantee you they absolutely abhor it.

They are dead. Mohammed came 570 years post Jesus death and way after Moses.

 

[Ahmad]

Wars of prophets have existed since forever. David for instance, Alexander (though not an actual prophet, but a righteous), and many prophets. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not the first. Crusaders made wars, just so you know.

He was the first and only. Jesus and Moses were not warlords. It takes two to war...I am fairly certain that Islam gained followers via conquest. If not for Charles Martel, Europe may have become another conquest although it looks as though Islam is penetrating it quite effectively now.

You never heard the phrase "David and Goliath" ? David and other prophets of old made wars. Do you tell me that the Bible does not mention that ? And do you not know that Alexander made wars ? This great world conqueror, he was a righteous, a man of God. Such a magnificent conqueror, did you think he was a worldly man ? No he is a man of God, well known to Muslims (see "Dhul Qarnayn" in the last verses of Chapter 18 of the Qur'an).

Nope. Sorry he was just a warmonger. Like Mohammed. Jesus and Moses were not warlords unlike Mohammed.

Jesus and Moses have such love for Muhammad, it pains me to see you talk of them this way. I guarantee you they absolutely abhor it.

They are dead. Mohammed came 570 years post Jesus death and way after Moses.

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America dropped 2 nuclear bombs on Japan within 3 days. According to your style of thinking, an American is a mass murderer and a horrific monster. That kind of thinking is extremely dangerous.

Prophets are not dead. They live eternally.