Women have to PROVE they were raped

[Quantum Windbag]

You claim rape, you must have the evidence in Court.

As simple as that.

Something a lot of people don't know about me: I was sexually assaulted by someone I thought was a friend at the age of 17. I have never made a police report, as back then, I was told that they would think it was my fault. It took me over ten years to realise it wasn't, and now it is too late to do anything.

Does this mean the assault didn't happen and that I shouldn't be taken seriously? Of course not. I have no physical evidence, but I have the mental scars, which will be with me forever.

I knew you were lying when you said you would die before you were raped, thanks for finally admitting I was right.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It's nothing new that sometimes people have claimed to have been raped just to get even with the man in their lives .... and it was a lie.

You will have your day in Court to prove it., and if you can not prove it will be dismissed.

That is the Law,

There have been times when a rape victim has not been believed and the rapist has walked free.

There have also been times when innocent men have ended up in prison. Frankly, innocent people in prison is a lot more offensive than guilty people walking free.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Something a lot of people don't know about me: I was sexually assaulted by someone I thought was a friend at the age of 17. I have never made a police report, as back then, I was told that they would think it was my fault. It took me over ten years to realise it wasn't, and now it is too late to do anything.

Does this mean the assault didn't happen and that I shouldn't be taken seriously? Of course not. I have no physical evidence, but I have the mental scars, which will be with me forever.

I am sorry what happened to you and I do understand and sympathise with your pain.


But if you go to Court you need your evidence, forensic material, DNA in order to prove your case. that's the Law.

If the rapist uses a condom, there is no physical evidence. Often there isn't, and cases can rely only on the testimony of the victim.

There is usually plenty of evidence even with a condom. The real problem is cops are lazy.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Forensic evidence is a must, fibres, hair, anything. You see... you have to prove it. Otherwise is your word against the other one.

Often there IS no physical evidence. You wear gloves, so no fingerprints, a ski mask takes care of any loose hairs, a condom prevents semen so no DNA. A rapist can be very careful in this day and age. Many rapists won't leave any DNA at all, yet they are still caught and jailed.

Do you think a rapist who doesn't leave any physical evidence behind should walk free because his victim failed to find some DNA?

Sorry....innocent until proven guilty. That's what make the conversation so hard.

But that's the way our system works.

How do you propose to convict someone with no evidence ?

Women never lie, or get the ID wrong, so we should just skip the trial and kill everyone who is accused of rape to keep Noomi from being offended.

 

[skye]

LOL I agree with you Quantum Windbag!!!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

i think the point is they should give the extra assistance for the baby, regardless.

there is nothing unusual with government fostering certain societal mores. it's why there is a tax benefit to marriage.

but if there's a value on children, then the children should be cared for.

people aren't going to stop bonking if you a) make abortion illegal; and then b) starve the women and their kids.

or do you want to create a permanent underclass?

Speaking for myself, I am getting pretty damn tired of carrying the burden for people too selfish, stupid or ignorant to not create life that they cannot afford and then get all pissy because some of us feel it is not our job to go to work to support their arrogant expectations.

I am not addressing children produced from rape.

I won't even get into the miserable lives some of these children must endure with women who were too selfish to stop and think before making a baby. Sometimes they make a baby not just once but over and over.

I am no morality cop until a person decides I should pay for their choices.

yeah, well... i'm tired of paying for unnecessary wars
and i'm tired of financing corporate welfare
i have no problem with helping people in need.

want to guess which part of our budget is larger?

it's like this...either...birth control is readily available and kids are taught about safe sex and abortion is readily available

or... we should offer assistance for forcing people to carry a pregnancy to term that they don't want.

those are our choices as society. there is no, 'make the rabble stop bonking' option and it is immoral to starve people.

Guess which part of the budget is larger? Even Obama admits it is the entitlements that are the single largest driver of our deficit.

 

[thanatos144]

Gee however did they solve crimes without DNA evidence.... To much csi

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That is not how the law works in Australia, and I thought you lived here. Man rape cases are proven without DNA evidence.

You are saying that if a person is smart enough, they should get away with a crime.

It's not a matter of being smart or not Noomi, ITS A MATTER OF LAW ..... you can not send a man to jail without evidence!!!!!!! do you understand that?

You are wrong on the law, though. We have sent people to prison for which there was only circumstantial evidence, and no physical evidence. It is NOT a matter of law that there is physical evidence, because our legal system know that there will not always BE that physical evidence.

I really love pointing out the obvious to nitwits, so I will happily point out that circumstantial evidence is physical evidence. Since you just declared that the prosecution had circumstantial evidence, you cannot claim they had no evidence.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You are wrong on the law, though. We have sent people to prison for which there was only circumstantial evidence, and no physical evidence. It is NOT a matter of law that there is physical evidence, because our legal system know that there will not always BE that physical evidence.

ok then SHOW THE EVIDENCE!!!!!!!

What if the freaking evidence doesn't exist? You are not paying attention to me. You are blinded by ignorance here.

I have no physical evidence that I was raped. I had no physical evidence even back then, but it happened. It is my word now against his - I assume you think he should walk free because I can't prove he attacked me?

This is making my stomach churn.

If the evidence doesn't exist then the bad guy gets away, period.

 

[skye]

No DNA no conviction, no forensic evidence no nothing?............you can not send a man to jail, period.

He might be innocent.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What if the freaking evidence doesn't exist? You are not paying attention to me. You are blinded by ignorance here.

I have no physical evidence that I was raped. I had no physical evidence even back then, but it happened. It is my word now against his - I assume you think he should walk free because I can't prove he attacked me?

This is making my stomach churn.

With all respect Noomi...... if you don't have proof it never happened according to the Law.


That's how it is Noomi, I am sorry to break it to you but that's how it is. Go talk to any Defense Lawyer and he will tell you more.

If you don't have evidence, then why do the police believe every single victim when she makes a report? Shouldn't they tell her to bugger off and find some evidence?

If you think the police believe every single victim you are deluded.

 

[Meathead]

It's preposterous to assume a crime if it cannot be proved.

 

[PaulS1950]

Crimes are only proven in court.
People are arrested on evidence.
There may easily be evidence of a rape without direct evidence that leads to the perpetrator.
All it takes is a small hair, skin under a fingernail, a torn piece of clothing, or even a bit of saliva.

 

[Chris]

If there were a way for a woman to register her uterus as a corporation, the Republicans would not have the slighest interest in regulating it.

 

[buckeye45_73]

You know you can't trust women to say if they were raped

Only Republicans can decide such things

Liberals are nuts......anyone can say they were raped..it doesnt mean it's true......two words.....Duke Lacross

 

[buckeye45_73]

If there were a way for a woman to register her uterus as a corporation, the Republicans would not have the slighest interest in regulating it.

we still dont want to regulate it...but if you're a slut....you cant get just "fix" it

 

[Chris]

There was a women here who was raped 10 years ago.

The police did not believe her. They told her she was "having an affair."

Her husband divorced her.

They just caught the serial rapist this year using DNA. He was convicted of two rapes including her's this week.

 

[Clementine]

You know you can't trust women to say if they were raped

Only Republicans can decide such things

No, they merely expect them to report it to police, not prove it.

 

[Wroberson]

In the court system , and I've been there on both sides, the plaintiff has the burden of proof.

 

[Political Junky]

I can't fathom any woman voting for Willard or one of those other right wing asses.