Women are too weak physically to serve in combat

[JakeStarkey]

They already are lower! What don't you get about that?????

Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT)

The standards for women in the Army is much lower then that of men. And it is not just that way in the Army.

In the Marines, women do not even do pull-ups. Where as men have to do at least 3 pull-ups, women only have to do a "flexed arm hang" for 15 seconds. Where as men have 28 minutes as a minimum to run 3 miles, women get 36 minutes.

Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test Chart - Males

So don't even try to go there where the "standards will not be lowered", they already are, and have been since women first entered the military.

We are talking about combat arms. So show me where the women are going to get different standards than in the combat arms? You can't.

Theres a lot more to combat than simply firing guns. The physical tests are there (among other reasons) to ensure your military personell are strong enough to move injured soldiers out of harms way. I imagine most women couldnt drag a 200 pound man with his full pack on, let alone carry him.

Just so.

 

[Samson]

They already are lower! What don't you get about that?????

Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT)

The standards for women in the Army is much lower then that of men. And it is not just that way in the Army.

In the Marines, women do not even do pull-ups. Where as men have to do at least 3 pull-ups, women only have to do a "flexed arm hang" for 15 seconds. Where as men have 28 minutes as a minimum to run 3 miles, women get 36 minutes.

Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test Chart - Males

So don't even try to go there where the "standards will not be lowered", they already are, and have been since women first entered the military.

We are talking about combat arms. So show me where the women are going to get different standards than in the combat arms? You can't.

Theres a lot more to combat than simply firing guns. The physical tests are there (among other reasons) to ensure your military personell are strong enough to move injured soldiers out of harms way. I imagine most women couldnt drag a 200 pound man with his full pack on, let alone carry him.

While there are differences between Male and Female recruits' physical fitness expectations. I cannot find evidence that there's any extra fitness criteria for combat units.

Frankly it seems to be a mute point:

A female Army officer who spoke with ABC News on condition on anonymity pointed out that senior leaders feel compelled to open job positions to show how progressive they are. However, this officer noted, "every female troop I know (over the age of 25) says publicly, 'Sure, open them up!' And privately, 'But not for me personally. I know I don't have the brute strength required and I would be crushed to let down my colleagues -- so, no way, no thanks.'"

 

[waltky]

Granny says dey can draft her - she still got her old army boots from the Big One...

If women can serve in combat, should they register with Selective Service?
February 9, 2013 — The Pentagon’s new policy of allowing women in combat jobs has raised new questions about an issue that the U.S. Supreme Court settled 22 years ago. Should young women be required to register with the U.S. Selective Service System just as young men do?

The U.S. Department of Defense issued a Jan. 24 memo that will give more women an opportunity serve in combat roles and military jobs that had been reserved only for men. In a 6-3 vote in 1981, the Supreme Court ruled that because women were not allowed in combat, only men were legally required to register with the government under the Military Selective Service Act. The selective service system has the names and addresses of nearly 15 million men ages 18 to 25 in its files, according to the agency’s website. The military is currently all-volunteer, so the service, once called ‘the draft,” isn’t used.

Richard Flahavan, a spokesman for the selective service system, said Congress would likely change the law and require women to register because the Pentagon has allowed women in combat roles. However, no bill has been introduced in Congress to do that, he said. Several students at Forsyth Technical Community College and Winston-Salem State University had mixed views last week about whether women should be legally required to register for selective service if the country has an emergency and Congress and President Barack Obama start a new draft.

Celicia Davis of Advance, the founder and adviser of the Student Veterans Association at Forsyth Tech, said she supports women registering for selective service. “I think all people should serve,’ said Davis, who served as an Army specialist at Fort Bragg. “Our country was founded on freedom, and freedom isn’t free.” Nolan West, a 17-year-old student at FTCC, said women should not be required to sign up for a draft. “If we need troops, men can be there,” West said. “We need women in civilian jobs.” Forsyth Tech student Ema Seferovic, 16, of Kernersville disagreed, saying that women should be included in any draft. “It’s an equality thing,” Seferovic said. “What makes men more qualified to fight in a war?”

Jade Gray of Winston-Salem, a 16-year-old FTCC student, agreed with Seferovic. Women registering for a draft and fighting in combat are steps toward equality for men and women, Gray said. “It is hypocritical to fight for women’s equality and for women not to go through a draft,” she said. FTCC student Thomas Hiott, 18, of Lewisville, said he has registered with the selective service system. “I know it’s the law for men, but women should have a choice,” Hiott said. However, Denise Evans, 45, a Forsyth Tech student, said Congress shouldn’t require women to register for a draft because women can volunteer to join the military. “Men can’t have children,” Evans said. “They should be required to register with selective service.”

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[GHook93]

tell me im wrong

There was this seg in some news showwhere they had to -dumb-down thetests to let get yhewomen to pass

Not ragging on - them - if not for women in the munitions plants in WW2 - probably would never have won

You are wrong. Many women have fought well in combat throughout history. Strength is one thing, physical fitness, stealth, handing and aiming a gun, military tactics, speed and agility are other aspects. Go down to the lake during summertime in Chicago. Many of the female joggers would make excellent soldiers and many of the fat slobbish men who lose their breathe by walking up a few stairs would not.

I am all for women serving in combat, just as long as they do it willingly. Only enlistment, NEVER THE DRAFT. Only males should have to sign up the for the draft, NEVER WOMEN! I have no real reason other than I have 3 daughters and could stomach them going off the battle! I wouldn't want to see my son go either, but I could live with that one more!

 

[aplcr0331]

tell me im wrong

There was this seg in some news showwhere they had to -dumb-down thetests to let get yhewomen to pass

Not ragging on - them - if not for women in the munitions plants in WW2 - probably would never have won

You are wrong. Many women have fought well in combat throughout history. Strength is one thing, physical fitness, stealth, handing and aiming a gun, military tactics, speed and agility are other aspects. Go down to the lake during summertime in Chicago. Many of the female joggers would make excellent soldiers and many of the fat slobbish men who lose their breathe by walking up a few stairs would not.

I am all for women serving in combat, just as long as they do it willingly. Only enlistment, NEVER THE DRAFT. Only males should have to sign up the for the draft, NEVER WOMEN! I have no real reason other than I have 3 daughters and could stomach them going off the battle! I wouldn't want to see my son go either, but I could live with that one more!

Rah-rah-rah women can do anything men can do only better!!! Neener-neener neener!

So, my three sons should go off and fight for their country if they are drafted but your daughters get to stay home in a life of privilege? They get all the benefits (and some would argue more) of the republic but have to bear no burden in defending it? Awesome. As long as your reasoning is sound, I'm all for it.

If the combat jobs are opened up, then they should be registered for Selective Service. End of story.

Your daughters will be fed to the machine so the elite (Female Officer's and other women who will not see direct combat like a true grunt will) can progress in their careers.

How's it feel to have your daughters be nothing more than disposable bodies from someone else's gain.

If we want true equality then you get true equality and you take the good AND the bad. This picking and choosing shit has got to go.

 

[Katzndogz]

That is very weak reasoning by you, Katzndogz. Nothing more than nonsense propaganda.

Well, I can certainly sympathize with the concern:

Obama Justice Dept. Forces City To Lower Standards For Police

Cites ABC news reporting the Dayton Police Department's lowering of examination passing standards.

While this has nothing to do with the US Military, or physical standards, or women....I suppose one could extraplate them all.

I believe that the inclusion of women in combat units, and maintaining standards is OK, ans long as we are serious about not circumventing the standards when women fail to meet them, or lowering the standards so women can meet them.

However, it appears that eith of these possibilities may be more likely than not, and we should make sure that some oversight is in place to prevent it from happening.

When women cannot meet the standards and women take the training but don't graduate out, of course the standards will be lowered.

The idea of women in combat has nothing to do with making for a more effective military, but making women feel good about themselves. They can't feel good about themselves unless they actually make it through training.

 

[ABikerSailor]

That is very weak reasoning by you, Katzndogz. Nothing more than nonsense propaganda.

Well, I can certainly sympathize with the concern:

Obama Justice Dept. Forces City To Lower Standards For Police

Cites ABC news reporting the Dayton Police Department's lowering of examination passing standards.

While this has nothing to do with the US Military, or physical standards, or women....I suppose one could extraplate them all.

I believe that the inclusion of women in combat units, and maintaining standards is OK, ans long as we are serious about not circumventing the standards when women fail to meet them, or lowering the standards so women can meet them.

However, it appears that eith of these possibilities may be more likely than not, and we should make sure that some oversight is in place to prevent it from happening.

When women cannot meet the standards and women take the training but don't graduate out, of course the standards will be lowered.

The idea of women in combat has nothing to do with making for a more effective military, but making women feel good about themselves. They can't feel good about themselves unless they actually make it through training.

Hey..................asshole who never served..............................do you think that you're in better shape than most of the women in the military?

I doubt it.

 

[Katzndogz]

Well, I can certainly sympathize with the concern:

Obama Justice Dept. Forces City To Lower Standards For Police

Cites ABC news reporting the Dayton Police Department's lowering of examination passing standards.

While this has nothing to do with the US Military, or physical standards, or women....I suppose one could extraplate them all.

I believe that the inclusion of women in combat units, and maintaining standards is OK, ans long as we are serious about not circumventing the standards when women fail to meet them, or lowering the standards so women can meet them.

However, it appears that eith of these possibilities may be more likely than not, and we should make sure that some oversight is in place to prevent it from happening.

When women cannot meet the standards and women take the training but don't graduate out, of course the standards will be lowered.

The idea of women in combat has nothing to do with making for a more effective military, but making women feel good about themselves. They can't feel good about themselves unless they actually make it through training.

Hey..................asshole who never served..............................do you think that you're in better shape than most of the women in the military?

I doubt it.

Have you ever heard of Katie Petronio? She might be a woman who deserves your attention. After all, she is in the military, she did go through the training, and she made it through.

Get Over It! We Are Not All Created Equal | Marine Corps Gazette

By the fifth month into the deployment, I had muscle atrophy in my thighs that was causing me to constantly trip and my legs to buckle with the slightest grade change. My agility during firefights and mobility on and off vehicles and perimeter walls was seriously hindering my response time and overall capability. It was evident that stress and muscular deterioration was affecting everyone regardless of gender; however, the rate of my deterioration was noticeably faster than that of male Marines and further compounded by gender-specific medical conditions. At the end of the 7-month deployment, and the construction of 18 PBs later, I had lost 17 pounds and was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome (which personally resulted in infertility, but is not a genetic trend in my family), which was brought on by the chemical and physical changes endured during deployment.

Is she "who never served" lying? She did serve and she served in a combat capacity. Does it matter, or is she just a liar trying to destroy women's chances for advancement?