idb
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When and why did renewable energy become politicised?
Without COAL some will be in the dark!!!
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Toddsterpatriot
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idb
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Huh?!
When was GWB a Democrat?
Bush commits to renewable energy for climate change energy security - CNET
skookerasbil
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AGW advocates ALL have the political IQ's of handballs!! Renewable energy is exceedingly effective at one thing.......keeping the poor under the thumb and thinning out the herd at the same time.
WORLD Green energy hurts the poor E. Calvin Beisner July 2 2013
When you force a people to pay ALOT more for energy, they are fucked and at your mercy. The naïve dumbass AGW climate crusaders think world leaders are a compassionate bunch of people who care about the people they lead. One of the cornerstones of progressive radical theory speaks to controlling the energy to control the people. These people WANT the poor to be spending a lot on energy so that they continue to be wards of the state ( in any country ) = political power!!!
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It is fascinating to me to see these AGW advocates thinking world leaders are motivated by this altruistic concern of saving the planet. HOLY ****............just naïve as shit. They have absolutely no ability to connect the dots.
WORLD Green energy hurts the poor E. Calvin Beisner July 2 2013
When you force a people to pay ALOT more for energy, they are fucked and at your mercy. The naïve dumbass AGW climate crusaders think world leaders are a compassionate bunch of people who care about the people they lead. One of the cornerstones of progressive radical theory speaks to controlling the energy to control the people. These people WANT the poor to be spending a lot on energy so that they continue to be wards of the state ( in any country ) = political power!!!
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[/URL]It is fascinating to me to see these AGW advocates thinking world leaders are motivated by this altruistic concern of saving the planet. HOLY ****............just naïve as shit. They have absolutely no ability to connect the dots.
Old Rocks
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Dear little Stephanie, you are such a stupid little person. California does not have water because of a four year drought. Texas did not have water for three years because of a three year drought. California represents the 7th biggest economy on Earth. It, even with the drought, provides a major portion of our food. Many of the major innovations that have carried this nation to the forefront of the 1st world nations originated in California. Silicon Valley and Tesla are but two examples.
Yes, California is having major troubles with the effects of the drought, just as Texas had major problems with their drought. And when the rains finally come and end the drought, California will address the issue of what to do to prevent the effects of the next drought from being this severe. And you and the other 'Conservatives' will be doing all you can to prevent them from doing that.
Yes, California is having major troubles with the effects of the drought, just as Texas had major problems with their drought. And when the rains finally come and end the drought, California will address the issue of what to do to prevent the effects of the next drought from being this severe. And you and the other 'Conservatives' will be doing all you can to prevent them from doing that.
Old Rocks
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Without government money there would be no nukes, without government money the airline industry would still be using prop planes. Without government money, the rural areas of this nation would still be without electricity. Your anti-government tirades are extremely imbecilic.
Toddsterpatriot
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Toddsterpatriot
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Without government money there would be no nukes,
If the greens want to push for nuclear power, to save the planet, I'll finally take them seriously.
Old Rocks
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Now tell me, just why do you want to pay more for electricity? Nukes are damned expensive.
Old Rocks
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When it threatoned the investments that the present energy corporations have in fossil fuels. Reduce oil to an industrial feedstock, that the price will be far lower per barrel. And coal cannot economically compete with other electrical sources in a clean manner. So their only option is to slow the development and use of renewables as much as possible. Through purchased Senators like Inhofe, they are doing just that.
Toddsterpatriot
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Suddenly you're concerned about the cost? LOL!
I'm sure we could work on a standard design and make it much safer, much cheaper in the future.
Of course that would mean stopping idiotic lawsuits and ridiculous red tape.
koshergrl
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And cold. There's a whole population of elderly and fixed income people that are going to die off in the winter when the progressives restrict access to energy. They won't be able to afford food, they won't be able to afford heat, they won't be able to afford transportation. They'll sit in their subsidized hovels and freeze and starve. Yay.
mamooth
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The northeastern USA implemented carbon trading. Energy prices dropped.
Sucks for deniers that reality keeps contradicting the denier fantasy.
Sucks for deniers that reality keeps contradicting the denier fantasy.
Toddsterpatriot
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The northeastern USA implemented carbon trading. Energy prices dropped.
I'm sure prices dropped because of carbon trading, not because of fracking. LOL!
idb
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Aaah...now I understand why it became politicised.
The use of facts is inherently a liberal concept...ergo...conservatives can't accept them.
skookerasbil
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AGW LIE ALERT!!Residential electricity prices are rising - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA
( Check out the New England increase ^^^^^^
) Yes Vermont Yankee Electricity Prices Soar in New England. And Soon in Vermont.
Canadian rivers Solution to Northeast s high energy prices - Central Maine
EPA Rules To Skyrocket U.S. Electricity Prices The Daily Caller
Electricity Prices Electricity prices To Jump Throughout New England Due To Natural Gas Concerns - tribunedigital-thecourant
Where progressives are in control, energy prices will always be higher......they block all efforts for cheaper energy prices, most recently, with the horseshit efforts to stop natural gas drilling.
s0n...don't you ever tire of being made to look so ******* stoopid in here??
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mamooth
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Skook, lying is ghey, so stop it. Seriously, a daily caller piece predicting what will happen, but didn't happen?
http://www.analysisgroup.com/upload...ts/publishing/economic_impact_rggi_report.pdf
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From a consumer perspective, RGGI program impacts are net positive over the study period. Although CO2 allowances tend to raise electricity prices in the near term,
there is also a lowering of prices over time because the states invested so much of the allowance proceeds on energy efficiency programs. RGGI expenditures on energy efficiency programs increase the opportunities for consumers to reduce their energy use and their energy bills. This occurs primarily for electricity, but also for fuel consumed for heating. Lower overall electric load levels resulting from RGGI-funded energy efficiency places downward pressure on electricity prices and energy payments for all electricity consumers, relative to a no-RGGI case. After the early impacts of small electricity price increases, consumers gain because their overall electricity bills go down as a result of this investment in energy efficiency. All told, electricity consumers overall – households, businesses, government users, and others – enjoy a net gain of nearly$1.1 billion, as their overall electric bills drop over time.
This reflects average savings of approximately $25 for residential consumers, $181 for commercial consumers, and $2,493 for industrial consumers over the study period.
Consumers who participate in an energy efficiency program funded by RGGI proceeds actually experience a level of savings much higher than the average savings for all consumers.
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http://www.analysisgroup.com/upload...ts/publishing/economic_impact_rggi_report.pdf
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From a consumer perspective, RGGI program impacts are net positive over the study period. Although CO2 allowances tend to raise electricity prices in the near term,
there is also a lowering of prices over time because the states invested so much of the allowance proceeds on energy efficiency programs. RGGI expenditures on energy efficiency programs increase the opportunities for consumers to reduce their energy use and their energy bills. This occurs primarily for electricity, but also for fuel consumed for heating. Lower overall electric load levels resulting from RGGI-funded energy efficiency places downward pressure on electricity prices and energy payments for all electricity consumers, relative to a no-RGGI case. After the early impacts of small electricity price increases, consumers gain because their overall electricity bills go down as a result of this investment in energy efficiency. All told, electricity consumers overall – households, businesses, government users, and others – enjoy a net gain of nearly$1.1 billion, as their overall electric bills drop over time.
This reflects average savings of approximately $25 for residential consumers, $181 for commercial consumers, and $2,493 for industrial consumers over the study period.
Consumers who participate in an energy efficiency program funded by RGGI proceeds actually experience a level of savings much higher than the average savings for all consumers.
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browsing deer
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Solar is getting better all the time. I used to laugh at it it, but they have made great strides.
The trouble with solar isn't the solar panels. It is DC. Every house has to have an expensive converter.
Installing solar these days isn't cheap, yet. In places where they have to have solar installed in a hurry, like Germany after the government closed down the nuke plants, and Israel, where petroleum is extremly dicey, the have installed solar in a big way. which has saved them tons of money. But the up front cost is huge.
The trouble with solar isn't the solar panels. It is DC. Every house has to have an expensive converter.
Installing solar these days isn't cheap, yet. In places where they have to have solar installed in a hurry, like Germany after the government closed down the nuke plants, and Israel, where petroleum is extremly dicey, the have installed solar in a big way. which has saved them tons of money. But the up front cost is huge.
flacaltenn
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yeah. That's the crap I just put in the garbage can last weekend. Tired of changing the batteries, Tired of only 5 out of 8 walk lanterns working at night, tired of cleaning bird poop off of them. Summer project is to replace all the front walk lighting with low voltage halogen or LED..
We could farm whales and go back to real lanterns if you like..
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