With the government officially shut down, let’s be clear about one thing:

[the watcher]

Are there any positive results of a shutdown?

 

[Chuz Life]

Sounds serious!
How many votes did their continuing resolution get in the senate?

Bump worthy Point!

 

[kyzr]

Suppose there won't. Suppose they do not. Then what?

If no one does their job, eventually there will be no Federal government. Everyone will quit. Not a good look for the majority.

Yes, we can. We're doing that now. Democrats don't mind that, they caused it. It's not slavery. The fedemps are free to say, "this sucks, I'm quitting." Save us even more money. What Democrats fear is what happens in November - sixteen days away. Then food stamps, AKA SNAP, dries up. Democrats real fears is not that you can't ask people to work without paying them. It is that you cannot expect people to vote without feeding them.

Maybe you never had to go without a pay check, but most people can't.

Nah.
The media is desperately trying to convince us that this is a "Trump/Republican shutdown." But there is no way to connect the dots. An honest look at the sequence of events shows the Republicans doing everything correctly to fund the government temporarily and keep negotiating while the Democrats try to take the country hostage.

You keep drinking that Republican KoolAde. Voters know since Republicans are in the majority, they need to keep government open, even if democrats are being unreasonable.

Democrats have the bizarre idea that if they hold out on the CR, the Republicans will extend the COVID subsidy, perhaps even enlarging it further. What do you do when a kid says he'll hold his breath until his parents do what he demands?

Ask Thune and Mike Johnson. No way to run the government.
Saw AOC and Bernie on CNN making their case for the shutdown. Women who watch The View will also vote wrong.
The shutdown is not helping Republicans. It may not be helping democrats, but who knows?
Congress is just wasting time and money.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Make no mistake about it ......

With the government officially shut down, let’s be clear about one thing:

Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the White House. This is THEIR shutdown.

They have every tool to govern. Instead, they chose chaos. And now the American people are the ones paying the price.

Thousands of workers are going without pay. Families are seeing their benefits delayed. Small businesses cannot access the loans they depend on.

Republicans not showing up for work don't get paid damn it .............

You just made a very solid case for ending the filibuster.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If no one does their job, eventually there will be no Federal government. Everyone will quit.

Not true.

The money is there. Agencies are caash-rich. If that runs out, the IRS is still collecting it, and the Treasury can print as much as is needed. That's how Trump was able to pay the military.

If this goes on, Trump will exercise the Executive "nuclear option" by increasing the already unauthorized expenditures to pay essential federal workers. You will hate that, call him a "dictator," etc. but you were already doing that anyway.

The nightmare scenario for your party or "not your party" is that Trump also uses that option to send out Social Security checks and SNAP/WIC money, claiming that both are essential. Are they Democrats going to say they are not? Either way, Trump will have turned the elderly and the permanent welfare class into a new generataion of MAGA voters.

Not a good look for the majority.

I don't believe that most people believe that this is "the Trump/Republican shutdown," no matter how many times Schumer and the ever-tiring Hakeem call it that. Even the libmedia is correcting them on that (gently).

Maybe you never had to go without a pay check, but most people can't.

Then they should be demanding that the filibuster against their paychecks end immediately.

You keep drinking that Republican KoolAde. Voters know since Republicans are in the majority, they need to keep government open, even if democrats are being unreasonable.

They have that Senatorial "nuclear option" anytime they decide that's the way to go. For now, they are enjoying watching the Democrats chase their tails.

Ask Thune and Mike Johnson. No way to run the government.

If you believe that this is a Republican shutdown, be very specific: What did Reps do to shutdown the government and when did they do it?

Saw AOC and Bernie on CNN making their case for the shutdown. Women who watch The View will also vote wrong.
The shutdown is not helping Republicans. It may not be helping democrats, but who knows?
Congress is just wasting time and money.

Well . . . that's what Congress does.

Question as an honesty test: Do you recognize the role that Schumer's fear of AOC plays in this shutdown?

 

[citygator]

If so small (as you say) why do the communist claim to need $1.5T to fund it? For how long?

The GOP cut taxes for the rich and are cutting healthcare for the vulnerable. Seems like a bad trade. The few LEGAL immigrants are a small part of the impact. The vast majority, 12M citizens, are the most impacted. Many more (10's of millions more) would see cost go up to shift burden away from the top and toward the bottom. Bad idea.

 

[leftwinger]

The GOP cut taxes for the rich and are cutting healthcare for the vulnerable. Seems like a bad trade. The few LEGAL immigrants are a small part of the impact. The vast majority, 12M citizens, are the most impacted. Many more (10's of millions more) would see cost go up to shift burden away from the top and toward the bottom. Bad idea.

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Again you spinning cow(s). $1.5T for 13 million is $115K per person.

You and your butt buddies keep ignoring that uncomfortable fact since early in the thread. $115K buys a lot of health care for each. Why so much you dumb OX?

 

[Seymour Flops]

The GOP cut taxes for the rich and are cutting healthcare for the vulnerable. Seems like a bad trade. The few LEGAL immigrants are a small part of the impact. The vast majority, 12M citizens, are the most impacted. Many more (10's of millions more) would see cost go up to shift burden away from the top and toward the bottom. Bad idea.

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How did those 12 Million people get healthcare in 2019 and 2020, before there was the ACA COVID subsidy?

 

[citygator]

Again you spinning cow(s). $1.5T for 13 million is $115K per person.

You and your butt buddies keep ignoring that uncomfortable fact since early in the thread. $115K buys a lot of health care for each. Why so much you dumb OX?

$1.5T isnt for the 13M. Its for the 44M ACA Marketplace plans or through Medicaid expansion and its over 10 years. The 13M are those who would LOSE their insurance due to cost. The rest would not lose it they would pay a lot MORE. 44M

 

[kyzr]

Not true. The money is there. Agencies are cash-rich. If that runs out, the IRS is still collecting it, and the Treasury can print as much as is needed. That's how Trump was able to pay the military.

Not true. The pentagon used a temporary fix to pay the troops this week. The next payday may not happen. Treasury and the IRS are working with a reduced staff, but no money can be moved without a budget or a CR.

If this goes on, Trump will exercise the Executive "nuclear option" by increasing the already unauthorized expenditures to pay essential federal workers. You will hate that, call him a "dictator," etc. but you were already doing that anyway.

Trump can't do shit. Only congress can authorize money, duh.

The nightmare scenario for your party or "not your party" is that Trump also uses that option to send out Social Security checks and SNAP/WIC money, claiming that both are essential. Are they Democrats going to say they are not? Either way, Trump will have turned the elderly and the permanent welfare class into a new generation of MAGA voters.

Trump would get impeached and removed, by republicans.

I don't believe that most people believe that this is "the Trump/Republican shutdown," no matter how many times Schumer and the ever-tiring Hakeem call it that. Even the libmedia is correcting them on that (gently).

Trump and Republicans look very incompetent and feckless for not managing well when in the majority.

Then they should be demanding that the filibuster against their paychecks end immediately.

No one can demand anything, they are at the mercy of the stupid coxuckers trying to run the government, and failing.

They have that Senatorial "nuclear option" anytime they decide that's the way to go. For now, they are enjoying watching the Democrats chase their tails.

Exactly. Time is up.

If you believe that this is a Republican shutdown, be very specific: What did Reps do to shutdown the government and when did they do it?

Reps did not do the nuclear option after the democrats tried to extort $1.5T in wasteful spending. Tick-Tock...

Well . . . that's what Congress does.
Question as an honesty test: Do you recognize the role that Schumer's fear of AOC plays in this shutdown?

Inside baseball. It doesn't ******* matter why Schumer isn't signing the CR. Democrats say its to protect the poor from skyrocketing ACA premiums when the subsidy expires. Chuck may like that excuse to protect his left flank. Just remember, two democrats already voted with Republicans, Fetterman and another, so Chuck does not have a lock on everyone.

 

[leftwinger]

$1.5T isnt for the 13M. Its for the 44M ACA Marketplace plans or through Medicaid expansion and its over 10 years. The 13M are those who would LOSE their insurance due to cost. The rest would not lose it they would pay a lot MORE. 44M

OK that's still ~$40K per person (over ten years lol!) or $4K per year per person or ~$340/mo.

Why should we pay our insurance 100% but you want $340/mo off. their insurance? Who are these 44Million. How many illegals?

 

[citygator]

OK that's still ~$40K per person (over ten years lol!) or $4K per year per person or ~$340/mo.

Why should we pay our insurance 100% but you want $340/mo off. their insurance? Who are these 44Million. How many illegals?

Zero illegals. 43M are American citizens who received insurance through the ACA Marketplace plans or through Medicaid expansion.

Why do you think some republicans are worried about it?

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5550233-republicans-defensive-healthcare-shutdown/

Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) has said he’s “willing to talk about” extending the enhanced subsidies, but he isn’t interested in even starting discussions until the government is open.

Sen. Jim Justice (R-W.Va.) similarly said he wants to do something to help working families that will be hurt if premiums rise, but only once the government reopens.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote Tuesday in a social platform X post. “Washington Republicans should work with us to fund health care and end this shutdown now.”

 

[leftwinger]

Zero illegals. 43M are American citizens who received insurance through the ACA Marketplace plans or through Medicaid expansion.

Why do you think some republicans are worried about it?

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5550233-republicans-defensive-healthcare-shutdown/

Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) has said he’s “willing to talk about” extending the enhanced subsidies, but he isn’t interested in even starting discussions until the government is open.

Sen. Jim Justice (R-W.Va.) similarly said he wants to do something to help working families that will be hurt if premiums rise, but only once the government reopens.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote Tuesday in a social platform X post. “Washington Republicans should work with us to fund health care and end this shutdown now.”

Well, at least your only 2X full of BS this time. So its $600/mo subsidy for 24 million. Free is the word you're looking for.****

2024 Open Enrollment Period, a record-breaking 21.3 million people selected an Affordable Care Act (ACA) Health Insurance Marketplace plan, with 5.05 million being new consumers and 16.27 million returning enrollees.

 

[hadit]

Yes, he could. So could Trump.

The difference is that Trump is the one in the position to control all of this.

He's the one who knows he only needs so many votes to get HIS VERSION through.

That you blame the Democrats for it, shows how partisan you are.

Nope, this is an internal Congress thing. TRUMP! can't command Congress to do anything, so it's all on Schumer to stop it.

 

[hadit]

The majority could suspend the rules and pass the thing. They chose not to. They don't need democratic support. They just don't have the balls to do it on their own.

And the US could work with Russia to stop wars by incinerating the planet.

 

[citygator]

Well, at least your only 2X full of BS this time. So its $600/mo subsidy for 24 million. Free is the word you're looking for.****

2024 Open Enrollment Period, a record-breaking 21.3 million people selected an Affordable Care Act (ACA) Health Insurance Marketplace plan, with 5.05 million being new consumers and 16.27 million returning enrollees.

My source is Trump's government site:

https://aspe.hhs.gov/reports/aca-related-enrollment-february-2024?

This Issue Brief presents current estimates of enrollment in health insurance coverage obtained through the ACA Marketplaces and the Medicaid expansion and the subsequent reductions in state-level uninsured rates since the ACA was implemented in 2014. Based on 2023 and early 2024 enrollment data, more than 45 million people are currently enrolled in Marketplace or Medicaid expansion coverage under provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), the highest total on record.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Not true. The pentagon used a temporary fix to pay the troops this week. The next payday may not happen. Treasury and the IRS are working with a reduced staff, but no money can be moved without a budget or a CR.
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So how are they paying for electricity at thevagencies.

Trump can't do shit. Only congress can authorize money, duh.

Tgen how are they paying for keased buildings, duh?

Trump would get impeached and removed, by republicans.

Nope. Every president has spent money during "shutdowns." Only Democrats impeach Trump for no good reason.

Where are the rules for what can and cannot be spent during a shutdown?

Trump and Republicans look very incompetent and feckless for not managing well when in the majority.

No one can demand anything, they are at the mercy of the stupid coxuckers trying to run the government, and failing.

Exactly. Time is up.

Reps did not do the nuclear option after the democrats tried to extort $1.5T in wasteful spending. Tick-Tock...

Inside baseball. It doesn't ******* matter why Schumer isn't signing the CR. Democrats say its to protect the poor from skyrocketing ACA premiums when the subsidy expires. Chuck may like that excuse to protect his left flank. Just remember, two democrats already voted with Republicans, Fetterman and another, so Chuck does not have a lock on everyone.

How did those people afford healthcare in 2029 and 2020, before the ACA COVID subsidies starting in March 2021?

 

[hadit]

How did those people afford healthcare in 2029 and 2020, before the ACA COVID subsidies starting in March 2021?

That's the question they don't want to address.

 

[kyzr]

So how are they paying for electricity at the agencies.

They aren't

Then how are they paying for leased buildings, duh?

Duh, they aren't

Nope. Every president has spent money during "shutdowns." Only Democrats impeach Trump for no good reason.
Where are the rules for what can and cannot be spent during a shutdown?

Every president before this shutdown had a CR to move money.

How did those people afford healthcare in 2019 and 2020, before the ACA COVID subsidies starting in March 2021?

If AI is correct, the family premiums before the subsidy was about $1400, during the subsidy about $900, and now after the subsidy about $1,600. HUGE difference. Maybe the $130b a year cost for the subsidy would help people get past the $11,400 Bidenflation cost US families? I'm a hard no on the $1.5T add, but an okay with just the subsidy.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If AI is correct,

Hm.

Well, lets pretend it is.

the family premiums before the subsidy was about $1400, during the subsidy about $900, and now after the subsidy about $1,600. HUGE difference. Maybe the $130b a year cost for the subsidy would help people get past the $11,400 Bidenflation cost US families? I'm a hard no on the $1.5T add, but an okay with just the subsidy.

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Clearly the "Affordable" Care Act is anything but.

$1,400 to $1,600 is a difference of $200. That is not a "huge" difference.

They aren't

Duh, they aren't

Pardon my terrible typing in the last post.

They are spending the money by using the electricity. If you think they are not "paying" because they are not going to send the providers the money for the electricity until later, perhaps after the so called shut down" I'll play along.

What stops Trump or any president from making that claim about any spending he wants to

Again, where are these rules for what can be spent and what cannot be spent during a shutdown?

Every president before this shutdown had a CR to move money.

If Congressional salaries can be paid without a continuing resolution, why can't all federal salaries be paid if the president can find the money?