Wind farms, a benefit for all.

[CrusaderFrank]

While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.

Have you told the CCP because they cannot build coal plants fast enough?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We were going to ship the resultant heavy crude across our nation for the benefit of China,

How does China benefit from our Texas refineries?

China owns 50% of Canadian Tarsands production.

Link?

There are hundreds of links going back to 2010.

Is Canadian Oil Bound for China Via Pipeline to Texas?

In a global economy, sending more Canadian oil to Texas could be a modern silk route, a “Tar Sands Road” to China, economist says.

www.nationalgeographic.com

China faces buyer’s remorse in Canada’s oil patch

Recent high-profile troubles have brought the country’s record in Canada’s energy industry into sharp focus

www.theglobeandmail.com

The Chinese Government Just Seized Billions Worth of Canadian Real Estate - Better Dwelling

The Chinese government just seized control of one of China's largest real estate buyers, and now controls billions worth of Canadian real estate.

betterdwelling.com

There are hundreds of links going back to 2010.

Do any of them support your claim?

China owns 50% of Canadian Tarsands production.

Americans owns a big chunk too.

Timeline: Chinese ownership in Canada’s oil patch

CNOOC’s takeover of Nexen, approved today, marks another step by China into Canada’s oil patch

www.theglobeandmail.com

Does that back up your claim?
I can't tell.

Maybe cut and paste anything that helps you?

 

[Old Rocks]

While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.

Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate

What a silly person you are;

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Yup. Reliable and still cheaper.

Nuclear, $29, does not include decommissioning costs. otherwise $129.
Coal, $41, does not include cost of transportation and storage
Gas combined cycle, $28, represents midpoint of depreciated cost. In other words, subsidized.

Solar crystalline utility, $31
Solar thin film, $29
Wind, $26

Most solar panels are guaranteed to put out 80% or more of their original rated wattage for twenty years. So a solar farm, worst case scenario, might only be putting out 80% of it original power at twenty years. However, it has cost nothing but sunlight in that period, so it will more than likely be used for another 20 or more years. On cost, wind and solar win hands down. Combined with grid scale storage, it is no contest. No reason to ever build another nuke or gas fired plant. And coal is already out the door.

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Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.

www.lazard.com

Gas combined cycle, $28, represents midpoint of depreciated cost. In other words, subsidized.

Subsidized? Tell me more.


Solar crystalline utility, $31
Solar thin film, $29
Wind, $26

I didn't see cost of decommissioning or cost of needed peaker plants in those numbers.
Or cost of "compressed air" energy storage.

However, it has cost nothing but sunlight in that period,

Really? Sounds very profitable. Any link to profitability?

Combined with grid scale storage

How much does that cost? Is that in your chart?

Perhaps were you to read the Lazard article, you might know a bit more about those things.

Renewables out pace other new generation

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.

Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate

For all you damned hypocritical "Conservatives" that only give a damn about birds when it is politically expedient, when are you going to address the real killers of birds?
View attachment 502106

Nukes kill zero princess.

Wrong again, as is usual with you.

Abstract​

Environmentalists and environmental scientists have criticized wind energy in various forums for its negative impacts on wildlife, especially birds. This article highlights that nuclear power and fossil-fuelled power systems have a host of environmental and wildlife costs as well, particularly for birds. Therefore, as a low-emission, low-pollution energy source, the wider use of wind energy can save wildlife and birds as it displaces these more harmful sources of electricity. The paper provides two examples: one relates to a calculation of avian fatalities across wind electricity, fossil-fueled, and nuclear power systems in the entire United States. It estimates that wind farms are responsible for roughly 0.27 avian fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while nuclear power plants involve 0.6 fatalities per GWh and fossil-fueled power stations are responsible for about 9.4 fatalities per GWh. Within the uncertainties of the data used, the estimate means that wind farm-related avian fatalities equated to approximately 46,000 birds in the United States in 2009, but nuclear power plants killed about 460,000 and fossil-fueled power plants 24 million. A second example summarizes the wildlife benefits from a 580-MW wind farm at Altamont Pass in California, a facility that some have criticized for its impact on wildlife. The paper lastly highlights other social and environmental benefits to wind farms compared to other sources of electricity and energy.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1943815X.2012.746993#:~:text=The%20threat%20to%20avian%20wildlife,birds%20per%20facility%20per%20year.

Why did Obama exempt wind farms from killing birds?

Because they kill millions of birds every year.

You are in denial

Once again, hypocrites like you care nothing at all for birds.

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how do feral cats and windows make electricity in your world view cuppycakes?

What a dumb fuck you continue to be. Mountain top mining for coal kills far more birds than windmills every will by habitat destruction. The oil ponds around drilling sites are filled with dead birds. There are ways of making windows visible to birds with destroying their function. Why are you not campaigning for that? Compared to the other bird killers, windmills hardly rank.

I already told you I shoot cats cuppycakes but you chose to ignore that.

You ad hominem attacks show your frustration sugar.

 

[rightwinger]

During my epic six week cross country trip in April and May, I lost count of how many wind farms I passed.

They are a scar on the face of this beautiful country...

Not only that, but they cause Windmill Cancer

Not for birds as they kill birds on contact

So do cars

Is that why Eagles are lying dead under wind turbines?

OK kid

how many?
Eagles get hit by cars also

How many birds are killed in oil spills?

thanks for showing windmills are not the great thing some believe they are,,,
no matter what our energy needs are going to harm some animals,,

Remember that when entire species go extinct

Entire species have gone extinct so that justifies the human race creating conditions where there is another great extinction event. My, what a stupid mindset.

I hear dinosaurs became extinct once cavemen started building windmills

 

[progressive hunter]

During my epic six week cross country trip in April and May, I lost count of how many wind farms I passed.

They are a scar on the face of this beautiful country...

Not only that, but they cause Windmill Cancer

Not for birds as they kill birds on contact

So do cars

Is that why Eagles are lying dead under wind turbines?

OK kid

how many?
Eagles get hit by cars also

How many birds are killed in oil spills?

thanks for showing windmills are not the great thing some believe they are,,,
no matter what our energy needs are going to harm some animals,,

Remember that when entire species go extinct

Entire species have gone extinct so that justifies the human race creating conditions where there is another great extinction event. My, what a stupid mindset.

I hear dinosaurs became extinct once cavemen started building windmills

but youre just an idiot that hears voices,,

 

[rightwinger]

During my epic six week cross country trip in April and May, I lost count of how many wind farms I passed.

They are a scar on the face of this beautiful country...

Not only that, but they cause Windmill Cancer

Not for birds as they kill birds on contact

So do cars

Is that why Eagles are lying dead under wind turbines?

OK kid

how many?
Eagles get hit by cars also

How many birds are killed in oil spills?

thanks for showing windmills are not the great thing some believe they are,,,
no matter what our energy needs are going to harm some animals,,

Remember that when entire species go extinct

Entire species have gone extinct so that justifies the human race creating conditions where there is another great extinction event. My, what a stupid mindset.

I hear dinosaurs became extinct once cavemen started building windmills

but youre just an idiot that hears voices,,

I saw it on The Flintstones

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.

Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate

What a silly person you are;

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www.lazard.com

View attachment 502127

Yup. Reliable and still cheaper.

Nuclear, $29, does not include decommissioning costs. otherwise $129.
Coal, $41, does not include cost of transportation and storage
Gas combined cycle, $28, represents midpoint of depreciated cost. In other words, subsidized.

Solar crystalline utility, $31
Solar thin film, $29
Wind, $26

Most solar panels are guaranteed to put out 80% or more of their original rated wattage for twenty years. So a solar farm, worst case scenario, might only be putting out 80% of it original power at twenty years. However, it has cost nothing but sunlight in that period, so it will more than likely be used for another 20 or more years. On cost, wind and solar win hands down. Combined with grid scale storage, it is no contest. No reason to ever build another nuke or gas fired plant. And coal is already out the door.

View attachment 502130

Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020

Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.

www.lazard.com

Gas combined cycle, $28, represents midpoint of depreciated cost. In other words, subsidized.

Subsidized? Tell me more.


Solar crystalline utility, $31
Solar thin film, $29
Wind, $26

I didn't see cost of decommissioning or cost of needed peaker plants in those numbers.
Or cost of "compressed air" energy storage.

However, it has cost nothing but sunlight in that period,

Really? Sounds very profitable. Any link to profitability?

Combined with grid scale storage

How much does that cost? Is that in your chart?

Perhaps were you to read the Lazard article, you might know a bit more about those things.

Renewables out pace other new generation
View attachment 502136

Perhaps were you to read the Lazard article, you might know a bit more about those things.

Would it explain why Germans, with all their cheap renewables, pay 3 times what we pay?

Subsidized? Tell me more.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Nuclear is shit on by the green nazis for some reason, but they will never explain.

Nuclear is the best but we get no approval for new power plants.

Cost. Chernobyl. Fukushima. No insurance company will insure any nuclear plant. Wonder why that is?

Chernobyl is ancient fucking history and was made of communist shit.

Fukushima was the result of a major earthquake/tsunami. And it was contained without major damage to people or environment.

The last time there was a major earthquake in Texas was probably in the Paleolithic Era.

Cost vs. reliability is a huge factor.

You are running out of bullshit excuses.

 

[Dusty]

During my epic six week cross country trip in April and May, I lost count of how many wind farms I passed.

They are a scar on the face of this beautiful country...

Not only that, but they cause Windmill Cancer

Not for birds as they kill birds on contact

So do cars

Is that why Eagles are lying dead under wind turbines?

OK kid

how many?
Eagles get hit by cars also

How many birds are killed in oil spills?

thanks for showing windmills are not the great thing some believe they are,,,
no matter what our energy needs are going to harm some animals,,

Remember that when entire species go extinct

Entire species have gone extinct so that justifies the human race creating conditions where there is another great extinction event. My, what a stupid mindset.

I hear dinosaurs became extinct once cavemen started building windmills

but youre just an idiot that hears voices,,

I saw it on The Flintstones

You are on the Flintstones

 

[Turtlesoup]

Wind is almost as inefficient as solar:

What a dumb ass post. OK, by rated best output, wind and solar are not that efficient. Yet, in cost per watt, they beat all but hydropower, which is also a renewable.
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Yes but wind and solar break down OFTEN-----

 

[jbrownson0831]

While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.

Baloney as usual.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Wind is almost as inefficient as solar:

What a dumb ass post. OK, by rated best output, wind and solar are not that efficient. Yet, in cost per watt, they beat all but hydropower, which is also a renewable.
View attachment 502118

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Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.

www.lazard.com

Yes but wind and solar break down OFTEN-----

...and even when in proper working order, the sun goes down and the wind dies down.

 

[danielpalos]

Wind is almost as inefficient as solar:

What a dumb ass post. OK, by rated best output, wind and solar are not that efficient. Yet, in cost per watt, they beat all but hydropower, which is also a renewable.
View attachment 502118

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Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.

www.lazard.com

Yes but wind and solar break down OFTEN-----

...and even when in proper working order, the sun goes down and the wind dies down.

Geothermal can be as available as nuclear power.

 

[theHawk]

While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.

Funny how you’re attacking the GOP for supposedly being against Wind. Yet in your video they credit Texas for not having a bunch of regulations and making it easy to set up wind turbines on farms. And Texas has embraced wind.

In all seriousness, wind is perfectly fine as a supplement power source, but it can never be the primary source of power for a large electric grid. It simply doesn’t have the ability to spin up power on demand. Not that idiots like you understand how power grids operate and what their biggest challenges are.

Wind and solar can supply all the energy we need and then some. We do not need nuclear, coal, or natural gas. There are many ways of storing energy, pumped, liquid air, batteries, ect. Yes, I fully understand the balancing of the grid. And that is why Tesla's Hornsdale battery in South Australia has been such a success. Financially, and in keeping their grid on line, even when a big generation plant dropped out unplanned.

Hornsdale and its big Tesla battery exceed expectations as storage revenue surges

The surge in storage revenue due to specific grid conditions in Australia was one of the main factors behind a 61% year-on-year increase in revenues that Neoen saw in the first quarter of the year.

pv-magazine-usa.com

Batteries? Are you fucking serious? Those Congo slaves are going to need to dig a lot more in order to supply every fucking city in the world with giant batteries made with cobalt. LOL thanks for proving what a moron you are.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.

Without Obamas exemption for letting turbines kill bald eagles and other raptors turbines would be illegal. There is no benefit at all, just hate

What a silly person you are;

View attachment 502107

Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020

Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.

www.lazard.com

View attachment 502127

Yup. Reliable and still cheaper.

Nuclear, $29, does not include decommissioning costs. otherwise $129.
Coal, $41, does not include cost of transportation and storage
Gas combined cycle, $28, represents midpoint of depreciated cost. In other words, subsidized.

Solar crystalline utility, $31
Solar thin film, $29
Wind, $26

Most solar panels are guaranteed to put out 80% or more of their original rated wattage for twenty years. So a solar farm, worst case scenario, might only be putting out 80% of it original power at twenty years. However, it has cost nothing but sunlight in that period, so it will more than likely be used for another 20 or more years. On cost, wind and solar win hands down. Combined with grid scale storage, it is no contest. No reason to ever build another nuke or gas fired plant. And coal is already out the door.

View attachment 502130

Levelized Cost of Energy and of Storage 2020

Levelized Cost of Energy & Storage 2020 analyses are in-depth studies comparing the costs of energy and storage technologies for different applications.

www.lazard.com

Gas combined cycle, $28, represents midpoint of depreciated cost. In other words, subsidized.

Subsidized? Tell me more.


Solar crystalline utility, $31
Solar thin film, $29
Wind, $26

I didn't see cost of decommissioning or cost of needed peaker plants in those numbers.
Or cost of "compressed air" energy storage.

However, it has cost nothing but sunlight in that period,

Really? Sounds very profitable. Any link to profitability?

Combined with grid scale storage

How much does that cost? Is that in your chart?

Perhaps were you to read the Lazard article, you might know a bit more about those things.

Renewables out pace other new generation
View attachment 502136

So the CCP can stop building coal plants?

 

[Dusty]

Nuclear is shit on by the green nazis for some reason, but they will never explain.

Nuclear is the best but we get no approval for new power plants.

Cost. Chernobyl. Fukushima. No insurance company will insure any nuclear plant. Wonder why that is?

Chernobyl is ancient fucking history and was made of communist shit.

Fukushima was the result of a major earthquake/tsunami. And it was contained without major damage to people or environment.

The last time there was a major earthquake in Texas was probably in the Paleolithic Era.

Cost vs. reliability is a huge factor.

You are running out of bullshit excuses.

Fine you can volunteer to clean the reactor vessel. Or better yet the nuclear waste can be stored under your home

 

[ding]

While the GOP continues to fight a sane path to virtually unlimited energy, many people are already benefitting from the turbines.

I think we should go all in on wind power.

What could possibly go wrong, right?

 

[skookerasbil]

Ask the people of Texas how they feel about renewables these days?

Blackouts are ghey

 

[skookerasbil]

EIA forecasts rising global oil production will limit price increases​

16 June 2021​

EIA forecasts rising global oil production will limit price increases

Global coal trade to grow through 2050, driven by Asia and industrial coal use: EIA​

Global coal trade to grow through 2050, driven by Asia and industrial coal use: EIA | S&P Global Platts

China’s Coal Industry Unflinching Over 2060 Zero-Carbon Goal​

Bloomberg News
September 29, 2020, 5:00 PM EDT Updated on September 30, 2020, 12:48 AM EDT

China’s Coal Industry Unflinching Over 2060 Zero-Carbon Goal

Despite Pledges to Cut Emissions, China Goes on a Coal Spree​

China is building large numbers of coal-fired power plants to drive its post-pandemic economy. The government has promised a CO2 emissions peak by 2030, but the new coal binge jeopardizes both China’s decarbonization plans and global efforts to tackle climate change.

Despite Pledges to Cut Emissions, China Goes on a Coal Spree




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