Will We Be Alright With Loved Ones In Hell?

[BreezeWood]

what's to reconcile in your mind.
Man will either be given the GIFT of ETERNAL LIFE in God's Kingdom, or he will DIE. Man doesn't have ETERNAL life. It is a GIFT for those who REPENT and choose Christ's sacrifice for their sins. All others will DIE in the Lake of Fire (not be tormented FOREVER in "hell")

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there is nothing from the 1st century religious itinerant claiming they were a messiah - the prescribed religion of antiquity is required not earned, to triumph over evil for admission to the Everlasting and was the message of the 1st century and reason for the crucifixion - liberation theology - for each individual and collectively for all humanity.

- the mission given to a&e at the beginning.

not choosing the false messiah religion is exactly the prescription for successful inclusion for an afterlife. purity from sin is the goal.

 

[surada]

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they were persecuted for their beliefs - by those who in the 4th century wrote the christian bible - the state church of the roman empire.

no one is born a sinner, is the liberation theology the 1st century itinerant gave their life for.

In Sermon on the Mount Jesus teaches the people non violent resistance to Roman law and the Roman occupation.

 

[LittleNipper]

This question keeps running through my mind. I'm not really worried about this myself with the exception of not being sure with one person that I know that I'm keeping their identity secret for privacy and personal reasons, but does anybody know how this would work if we're not with everybody we love and care about in Heaven because they chose to reject Christ?

Revelation 21:4 (ESV)
4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

 

[Natural Citizen]

If you ever read through the obituaries and then scroll the comments people leave on em, everybody always says, Oh, just know that he's smiling down on us all from Heaven.

Nobody ever says, hey, that dude is roasting in hell. Like ever.

You'd think Heaven has a line backed up around the corner while Hell is empty.

 

[BreezeWood]

In Sermon on the Mount Jesus teaches the people non violent resistance to Roman law and the Roman occupation.

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not surprising putting in print the passive message portrayed for the itinerant, one way or another ...

- such as burning loved ones in hell for all eternity who happen not to read (their) book. otherwise.

 

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not surprising putting in print the passive message portrayed for the itinerant, one way or another ...

- such as burning loved ones in hell for all eternity who happen not to read (their) book. otherwise.

Who practiced your religion?

where is your church?

what writings exist which explains your beliefs?

How would anyone learn about the religion you keep espousing?

 

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there is nothing from the 1st century religious itinerant claiming they were a messiah - the prescribed religion of antiquity is required not earned, to triumph over evil for admission to the Everlasting and was the message of the 1st century and reason for the crucifixion - liberation theology - for each individual and collectively for all humanity.

- the mission given to a&e at the beginning.

not choosing the false messiah religion is exactly the prescription for successful inclusion for an afterlife. purity from sin is the goal.

24,000 written manuscripts say otherwise.

 

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there is nothing from the 1st century religious itinerant claiming they were a messiah - the prescribed religion of antiquity is required not earned, to triumph over evil for admission to the Everlasting and was the message of the 1st century and reason for the crucifixion - liberation theology - for each individual and collectively for all humanity.

- the mission given to a&e at the beginning.

not choosing the false messiah religion is exactly the prescription for successful inclusion for an afterlife. purity from sin is the goal.

How do you define sin?

 

[BreezeWood]

Who practiced your religion?

where is your church?

what writings exist which explains your beliefs?

How would anyone learn about the religion you keep espousing?

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spoken =/= written - - nothing was written by the 1st century religious itinerant - god or not.

the prescribed spoken religion of antiquity, the culmination of events and time of the great flood is six words in length - the triumph of good vs evil - is required to attain judgment for admission to the Everlasting. was recorded verbally at the time of occurrence - is sortof in the desert religion's literature.

the same as all else in the christian bible is interpretation from past events, oral renderings - they published in a book - somehow incorporating the (events) of the 1st century - to establish - the state religion of the roman empire.

the crucifiers wrote that book and through the centuries have prevailed in its deception. uninterrupted as recorded throughout history. persecution and victimization of the innocent.

truer version, 1st century reaffirmation - no one is born a sinner, their life their path - a&e were given a mission, success is required for judgement for admission to the Everlasting - success is purity of one sort or another - led to the crucifixion of its proponent.

nothing unbiblical about the 1st century than the political intervention - - > servitude. ... opposite for what the itinerant was willing to die for.

 

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spoken =/= written - - nothing was written by the 1st century religious itinerant - god or not.

the prescribed spoken religion of antiquity, the culmination of events and time of the great flood is six words in length - the triumph of good vs evil - is required to attain judgment for admission to the Everlasting. was recorded verbally at the time of occurrence - is sortof in the desert religion's literature.

the same as all else in the christian bible is interpretation from past events, oral renderings - they published in a book - somehow incorporating the (events) of the 1st century - to establish - the state religion of the roman empire.

the crucifiers wrote that book and through the centuries have prevailed in its deception. uninterrupted as recorded throughout history. persecution and victimization of the innocent.

truer version, 1st century reaffirmation - no one is born a sinner, their life their path - a&e were given a mission, success is required for judgement for admission to the Everlasting - success is purity of one sort or another - led to the crucifixion of its proponent.

nothing unbiblical about the 1st century than the political intervention - - > servitude. ... opposite for what the itinerant was willing to die for.

Which people practiced this religion?

 

[Clyde 154]

This question keeps running through my mind. I'm not really worried about this myself with the exception of not being sure with one person that I know that I'm keeping their identity secret for privacy and personal reasons, but does anybody know how this would work if we're not with everybody we love and care about in Heaven because they chose to reject Christ?

You will know no sadness. If one has any potential problems.........God will take care of them as He has promised that once in Heaven, The Lord will, "........wipe away every tear from their eyes. And there shall be no more death neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the former things have passed away." Rev. 21:4 This suggests you will have no memory of sinful family members that you loved while on earth.

God wants you to grieve for your loved ones who are walking in sin while you can perhaps help them to come to the knowledge of the truth before darkness (death) overtakes them when its too late for repentance. If you want to see your loved one's after death.....spread the gospel (good news), as faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17) As the scriptures instruct......once eternally judged in Hell, where the spirit is eternally separated from God........its too late as per the example that was taught in parable.......where the rich man just wanted to warn his family members what awaits the sinner.......the scriptures state there is a great void/gulf between the living and the dead.....and it would mean even more so for the righteous who populate Heaven (Luke 16:19-31)

Ultimately God is not responsible for those who willfully sin........God would have everyone come to the knowledge of the truth in order to find salvation, i.e., eternal fellowship with God. (2 Peter 3:9, 1 Tim. 2:3,4). Not everyone who sins will repent....whose choice is that? One has to repent willingly. (Luke 13:3)

There is no "peace" without "justice". Only a "fool" engages the Holy Spirit of God in a battle of wits.

 

[GreatestIam]

Jesus' death on the cross wasn't a suicide. It was a sacrifice. HUGE difference.

If you read the Last Supper, you will see Jesus sending Judas out to turn him in.

Look for when Satan enters Judas. It is only after he takes on the task of helping Jesus in trying to fulfill the old messianic prophesy.

Jesus failed, of course.

Note also that the sop Jesus soaked, was first given to Judas and that is a sign of respect and affection for ones best disciple.

Note also that the rest of the disciples were well aware of this planned betrayal as they just sat there doing nothing.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Jesus' death on the cross wasn't a suicide. It was a sacrifice. HUGE difference.

I like to give this to the more immoral Christians.

You might like.

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

It is irrelevant where Hell is located, the important part is to accept that there is a Hell.

It is extremely relevant as then we know if it is real, as an emotional state, just like heaven, or some supernatural fiction, that has never been shown to exist, and even Jesus hints is tied to reality and our state of mind.

It's all in your head, unless you have lost your mind to debilitating supernatural beliefs..

Regards
DL

 

[LittleNipper]

It is extremely relevant as then we know if it is real, as an emotional state, just like heaven, or some supernatural fiction, that has never been shown to exist, and even Jesus hints is tied to reality and our state of mind.

It's all in your head, unless you have lost your mind to debilitating supernatural beliefs..

Regards
DL

You don't understand sin because you are a sinner seeking to justify yourself. Because of Adam's sin, Adam's spiritually died IMMEDIATELY. GOD saw to it that Adam's body would eventually die by casting him and Eve out of the Garden (where the TREE of LIFE was also found). I have talked to both BELIEVERS and NONBELIEVERS, and frankly, unless an individual is a SEEKER or a BELIEVER -------- I find NONBELIEVERS to be very vulgar/nasty individuals. They are not gracious. They lack caring. And they are either indifferent (their minds are cluttered with themselves), or they want everyone else to fully agree with their assessments. BELIEVERS and SEEKERS on the other hand realize that there is much they don't fully understand but that doesn't mean it's not factual or without merit. They tend to be humble and considerate. They also tend to naively take people at their word. NONBELIEVERS as a whole see everyone as having an angle ---- out for themselves...

 

[Clyde 154]

If you read the Last Supper, you will see Jesus sending Judas out to turn him in.

Look for when Satan enters Judas. It is only after he takes on the task of helping Jesus in trying to fulfill the old messianic prophesy.

Jesus failed, of course.

Note also that the sop Jesus soaked, was first given to Judas and that is a sign of respect and affection for ones best disciple.

Note also that the rest of the disciples were well aware of this planned betrayal as they just sat there doing nothing.

Regards
DL

Jesus "failed" to fulfill the prophecy and the LAW? Sounds like a Premillennial Theory based upon fantasy instead of the actual content in the revealed word of God. You presented no Book, Chapter or Verse that would in the least validate such an opinion.

These type of "myths" are repeated over and over that some ignorantly accept them as truth......what is Truth? Your (God) word is truth.......a truth that the Christian is commanded to be Sanctified in. (John 17:17).

What? Jesus failed to establish His kingdom on earth as in prophecy? And the world is now in a state awaiting some 1000 year reign of Christ on earth?

There are several cults that claim such a doctrine...but no 2 agree on all the supposed details. Such as 1. The rapture 2. Tribulation 3. Armageddon 4. The literal 1000 year reign of Christ. 5. The supposed restoration of the promised land of the Jews.

You always see them make quotes but often use sources other than scripture for their doctrine.

The obvious flaws to such an mythical theology are many. It makes Jesus the Christ of prophecy a king on an earthly throne. It contains the idea that Jesus was rejected by the JEWISH population as the Messiah of prophecy.

The actual scriptures reveal: THE PEOPLE (not the Jewish hierarchy) welcomed Jesus into the city of Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-17). The scriptures detail what the people actually had to say about Jesus (Mark 11:9-10). The people cried out, "....blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord."

Such a myth denies that Jesus actually rejected a literal throne on earth. At the feeding of the 5000 via miracle Jesus spoke of the kingdom and healed people (Luke 9:11). He (Jesus) avoided the people attempting to make Him a literal King (John 6:15).....He fled to the mountains when He perceived they might take Him by force.

Jesus stated clearly that His kingdom was not of this earth (John 18:36). That the kingdom of God rests within YOUR HEART, not in any observable location on earth (Luke 17:20-21).

Most importantly it ignores another Prophecy of God concerning Coniah...the last king of Israel (Jer. 22:28-30). God placed a curse upon the physical lineage of king Coniah and declared no descendant of his would ever again set on the throne.

Jesus indeed was of the lineage of Coniah..i.e., Jeconiah, as this is where He inherited the right to set on David's throne (Matt. 1:12-16).

Jesus could never set on an actual literal throne on earth as King without violating the prophecy of Jeremiah.

Another prophecy of Jeremiah? Israel would NEVER be made whole again in a physical sense. (Jer. 19:11)

Jesus said the kingdom would be taken from the Jews. (Matt. 21:43)

As you just attempted.........such myth denies that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy concerning the establishment of a kingdom.

Yet the scriptures declare that the kingdom would established in that very generation in the 1st century (Mark 9:1)......thus, unless you can prove there are 2000 year old people walking on earth today...............

Peter was given the keys to the kingdom. (Matt. 16:18-19). The church and the kingdom are one and the same. The saved are within the kingdom (Col. 1:13) Its a spiritual kingdom that now makes up over 1/3 of the earth's total population.

John was WITHIN the KINGDOM at the time of the writing of the book of Revelation (1:9).

It attempts to establish the myth as truth via taking symbolic language and giving that language a literal meaning (Rev. 20:2-9) when the rest of context is symbolic in nature. Thousand and also mean "ALL" (Ps. 50:10)

It then attempt to shoehorn Daniels prophecy into a thousand year reign..........when Daniel speaks with no ambiguity about a kingdom that lasts forever, permanent without end (Daniel 7:13-14).

Jesus is sitting on the throne of David at the right hand of God.........now and has been since His ascension (Heb. 12:2)

Jesus was given ALL AUTHORITY (Matt. 28:18). Jesus would reign until death is conquered and then the kingdom goes back to the Father (1 Cor. 15:24-26)

The kingdom ends at Jesus' return and judgement ........it does not begin.

In an attempt to get everything to match their myth..........some have 2 resurrections. The Bible speaks of only 1 then the judgement (John 5:28-29) They then attempt to use 1 Thess. 4:13-18 as proof..........but this passage speaks nothing of only the righteous being resurrected.........the wicked is not omitted.

When the scriptures speak of 2 resurrections the 1st one is the resurrection after water baptism (Eph. 2:1, 4-7) reborn.

 

[GreatestIam]

You don't understand sin because you are a sinner seeking to justify yourself. Because of Adam's sin, Adam's spiritually died IMMEDIATELY. GOD saw to it that Adam's body would eventually die by casting him and Eve out of the Garden (where the TREE of LIFE was also found). I have talked to both BELIEVERS and NONBELIEVERS, and frankly, unless an individual is a SEEKER or a BELIEVER -------- I find NONBELIEVERS to be very vulgar/nasty individuals. They are not gracious. They lack caring. And they are either indifferent (their minds are cluttered with themselves), or they want everyone else to fully agree with their assessments. BELIEVERS and SEEKERS on the other hand realize that there is much they don't fully understand but that doesn't mean it's not factual or without merit. They tend to be humble and considerate. They also tend to naively take people at their word. NONBELIEVERS as a whole see everyone as having an angle ---- out for themselves...

Compared to you vile genocidal god lovers, atheists are angels.

Regards
DL

 

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Compared to you vile genocidal god lovers, atheists are angels.

Regards
DL

Seriously?

 

[BreezeWood]

Seriously?

You don't understand sin because you are a sinner seeking to justify yourself. Because of Adam's sin, Adam's spiritually died IMMEDIATELY. GOD saw to it that Adam's body would eventually die by casting him and Eve out of the Garden

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that is the corrupt, desert religions of forgeries and fallacies using servitude for their nefarious purposes - seriously.

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I'm not really worried about this myself ... if we're not with everybody we love and care about in Heaven because they chose to reject Christ?

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o p is delirious ...

the forgeries and fallacies they use, deceiving even themselves - their own destiny.
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rather the mission granted a&e they chose for themselves to understand and accomplish their own destiny willingly undertaken knowing the consequences of failure, surly as most would overcome. to triumph over evil for remission to the Everlasting.

the corruption of christianity is in particular an egregious error of reliance on a false messiah to do the work they must accomplish themselves as the prescribed religion requires.

 

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that is the corrupt, desert religions of forgeries and fallacies using servitude for their nefarious purposes - seriously.

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o p is delirious ...

the forgeries and fallacies they use, deceiving even themselves - their own destiny.
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rather the mission granted a&e they chose for themselves to understand and accomplish their own destiny willingly undertaken knowing the consequences of failure, surly as most would overcome. to triumph over evil for remission to the Everlasting.

the corruption of christianity is in particular an egregious error of reliance on a false messiah to do the work they must accomplish themselves as the prescribed religion requires.

Not big on history I see.

How did you come by your beliefs in liberation theology? Where, when and who did you learn them from?