Will USS Liberty Survivors Get a Call for New Investigation by Rep. Omar, of Israeli Attack?

[munkle]

She's proven pretty fearless so far, despite apologizing when she really had nothing to apologize for in saying AIPAC influences American politics. What's the controversy there when even Netanyahu bragged in 2001:

"I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in their way."

The USS Liberty survivors of the 1967 Israeli attack on the American ship are calling, to this very day, for a new investigation which would rectify the original cover-up, which was ordered to conclude that the deaths of 34 American sailors was an accident. It was not an accident, they say, but a false flag attack to sink the ship in order to blame it on Egypt so that the US would attack that country, which was Israel's arch-enemy. This was what Admiral Thomas Moorer thought, also chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. There is no shortage of heavy hitters who have said they don't buy the "accident explanation one bit, including US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, CIA Director Richard Helms, CIA Deputy Director Admiral Rufus Taylor, former NSA Director Army Lieutenant General William Odom, on and on. Further more now both major veterans groups American Legion and VFW have called the official story a cover-up.

What are the chances the surviving crew might finally get a receptive ear in Rep. Ilhen Omar, for at least a call for a new investigation, even if it doesn't go anywhere? We saw how much red-pilling went on after she called out AIPAC, and people are still arguing about it. You start saying the emperor has no clothes and there's no telling where it winds up. Let this misbegotten "alliance" between America and the criminal state be tested as never before.

Chicago Tribune 2007: Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident:

"The cables obtained by the Tribune, and translated from Hebrew to English, are were published in a 2007 special report. They detail exchanges between the Israeli ambassador in Washington and the Israeli foreign minister in Tel Aviv. Five days after the attack, Israeli Ambassador Avraham Harman worried that the deliberate nature of the attack had been uncovered, and cabled Foreign Minister Abba Eban that a source, code-named "Hamlet," had told him that the Americans had:

"clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway."

As the diplomatic uproar over the attack played out, Harman cabled three days later that:

"the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American.""

 

[Natural Citizen]

I agree, she had no reason to apologize.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Relevant reading....

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Continued - The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence


Updated: Several states have since purchased these devices and use them regularly to unlock and record the information on devices (including contacts). Though, its use is largely at the border, it's still done regularly at the state level if someone gets arrested, regardless of if they committed a crime.

For instance they did it to a NASA guy who happened to just be brown -
American NASA scientist says his work phone was seized at airport

 

[BlackFlag]

She's proven pretty fearless so far, despite apologizing when she really had nothing to apologize for in saying AIPAC influences American politics. What's the controversy there when even Netanyahu bragged in 2001:

"I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in their way."

The USS Liberty survivors of the 1967 Israeli attack on the American ship are calling, to this very day, for a new investigation which would rectify the original cover-up, which was ordered to conclude that the deaths of 34 American sailors was an accident. It was not an accident, they say, but a false flag attack to sink the ship in order to blame it on Egypt so that the US would attack that country, which was Israel's arch-enemy. This was what Admiral Thomas Moorer thought, also chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. There is no shortage of heavy hitters who have said they don't buy the "accident explanation one bit, including US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, CIA Director Richard Helms, CIA Deputy Director Admiral Rufus Taylor, former NSA Director Army Lieutenant General William Odom, on and on. Further more now both major veterans groups American Legion and VFW have called the official story a cover-up.

What are the chances the surviving crew might finally get a receptive ear in Rep. Ilhen Omar, for at least a call for a new investigation, even if it doesn't go anywhere? We saw how much red-pilling went on after she called out AIPAC, and people are still arguing about it. You start saying the emperor has no clothes and there's no telling where it winds up. Let this misbegotten "alliance" between America and the criminal state be tested as never before.

Chicago Tribune 2007: Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident:

"The cables obtained by the Tribune, and translated from Hebrew to English, are were published in a 2007 special report. They detail exchanges between the Israeli ambassador in Washington and the Israeli foreign minister in Tel Aviv. Five days after the attack, Israeli Ambassador Avraham Harman worried that the deliberate nature of the attack had been uncovered, and cabled Foreign Minister Abba Eban that a source, code-named "Hamlet," had told him that the Americans had:

"clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway."

As the diplomatic uproar over the attack played out, Harman cabled three days later that:

"the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American.""

No chance, ever. They could kill a thousand Khashoggi’s and America would shrug.

 

[strollingbones]

it is sad that the government opted to believe israel over their own sailors

 

[Natural Citizen]

it is sad that the government opted to believe israel over their own sailors

It's a 'special relationship'

 

[EvilCat Breath]

As the originator of the attack, Israel was in the best position to know what happened. As I recall it was a hot war zone and the Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Israel never denied the action.

 

[munkle]

As the originator of the attack, Israel was in the best position to know what happened. As I recall it was a hot war zone and the Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Israel never denied the action.

Israeli recon planes circled the ship for 7 hours in the morning on a perfectly clear day, close enough to wave to the sailors. The ship was flying a huge American flag you could see for miles, and marked with fresh painted American markings. The ship the Israelis said it was mistaken for was an ancient rust bucket half the size. Radio transmissions now confirm that the Israelis knew the ship was American and meant to sink it, to draw us into the Six Day War against Egypt.

After attacking for two hours with rockets, cannon fire, and torpedo boats, they machine gunned the lifeboats. The sailors saved their ship, fighting fires and damage while treating wounded, less wounded treating more badly wounded. They will never, ever stop saying it was NOT an accident. It was covered up by LBJ, Israel, and the US congress. It is beyond debate now that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing. One pilot refused to press the attack and was arrested upon landing back at base in Tel Aviv.

 

[Pilot1]

Yes Israel attacked the ship purposely. The Johnson Administration covered it up. I am sure behind the scenes Israel was taken to the wood shed, but we needed them as an ally in the region, so LBJ lied. Not surprised.

 

[strollingbones]

it is the only non investigated incident at sea

 

[my2¢]

I don't buy Israel's excuse but I've been equally disgusted with LBJ and his administration. The fake attack in the Gulf of Tonkin to get us full scale into Vietnam and then refusing aid to Americans in the very real USS Liberty attack.

Concerning the Gulf of Tonkin:

“So a conscious effort ensued to demonstrate that an attack occurred.” The Navy likewise says it is now “clear that North Vietnamese naval forces did not attack Maddox and Turner Joy that night.”

In private, Johnson himself expressed doubts about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, reportedly telling a State Department official that “those dumb, stupid sailors were just shooting at flying fish!”
https://www.history.com/news/the-gulf-of-tonkin-incident-50-years-ago
​

Defense of USS Liberty recalled:

The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions. Eventually, the ship was able to make contact with the U.S. carrier Saratoga, and 12 fighter jets and four tanker planes were dispatched to defend the Liberty. When word of their deployment reached Washington, however, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered them recalled to the carrier, and they never reached the Liberty. The reason for the recall remains unclear.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/israel-attacks-uss-liberty​

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

She's proven pretty fearless so far, despite apologizing when she really had nothing to apologize for in saying AIPAC influences American politics. What's the controversy there when even Netanyahu bragged in 2001:

"I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in their way."

The USS Liberty survivors of the 1967 Israeli attack on the American ship are calling, to this very day, for a new investigation which would rectify the original cover-up, which was ordered to conclude that the deaths of 34 American sailors was an accident. It was not an accident, they say, but a false flag attack to sink the ship in order to blame it on Egypt so that the US would attack that country, which was Israel's arch-enemy. This was what Admiral Thomas Moorer thought, also chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. There is no shortage of heavy hitters who have said they don't buy the "accident explanation one bit, including US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, CIA Director Richard Helms, CIA Deputy Director Admiral Rufus Taylor, former NSA Director Army Lieutenant General William Odom, on and on. Further more now both major veterans groups American Legion and VFW have called the official story a cover-up.

What are the chances the surviving crew might finally get a receptive ear in Rep. Ilhen Omar, for at least a call for a new investigation, even if it doesn't go anywhere? We saw how much red-pilling went on after she called out AIPAC, and people are still arguing about it. You start saying the emperor has no clothes and there's no telling where it winds up. Let this misbegotten "alliance" between America and the criminal state be tested as never before.

Chicago Tribune 2007: Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident:

"The cables obtained by the Tribune, and translated from Hebrew to English, are were published in a 2007 special report. They detail exchanges between the Israeli ambassador in Washington and the Israeli foreign minister in Tel Aviv. Five days after the attack, Israeli Ambassador Avraham Harman worried that the deliberate nature of the attack had been uncovered, and cabled Foreign Minister Abba Eban that a source, code-named "Hamlet," had told him that the Americans had:

"clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway."

As the diplomatic uproar over the attack played out, Harman cabled three days later that:

"the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American.""

Let's start with an obvious stupid mistake. Admiral Moorer was CNO, not chairman of the Joint Chiefs at the time. How much of your other information is wrong?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As the originator of the attack, Israel was in the best position to know what happened. As I recall it was a hot war zone and the Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Israel never denied the action.

Israeli recon planes circled the ship for 7 hours in the morning on a perfectly clear day, close enough to wave to the sailors. The ship was flying a huge American flag you could see for miles, and marked with fresh painted American markings. The ship the Israelis said it was mistaken for was an ancient rust bucket half the size. Radio transmissions now confirm that the Israelis knew the ship was American and meant to sink it, to draw us into the Six Day War against Egypt.

After attacking for two hours with rockets, cannon fire, and torpedo boats, they machine gunned the lifeboats. The sailors saved their ship, fighting fires and damage while treating wounded, less wounded treating more badly wounded. They will never, ever stop saying it was NOT an accident. It was covered up by LBJ, Israel, and the US congress. It is beyond debate now that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing. One pilot refused to press the attack and was arrested upon landing back at base in Tel Aviv.

"and marked with fresh painted American markings."

Exactly what would those be?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don't buy Israel's excuse but I've been equally disgusted with LBJ and his administration. The fake attack in the Gulf of Tonkin to get us full scale into Vietnam and then refusing aid to Americans in the very real USS Liberty attack.

Concerning the Gulf of Tonkin:

“So a conscious effort ensued to demonstrate that an attack occurred.” The Navy likewise says it is now “clear that North Vietnamese naval forces did not attack Maddox and Turner Joy that night.”

In private, Johnson himself expressed doubts about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, reportedly telling a State Department official that “those dumb, stupid sailors were just shooting at flying fish!”
https://www.history.com/news/the-gulf-of-tonkin-incident-50-years-ago
​

Defense of USS Liberty recalled:

The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions. Eventually, the ship was able to make contact with the U.S. carrier Saratoga, and 12 fighter jets and four tanker planes were dispatched to defend the Liberty. When word of their deployment reached Washington, however, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered them recalled to the carrier, and they never reached the Liberty. The reason for the recall remains unclear.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/israel-attacks-uss-liberty​

"The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions."

Fighter aircraft do not and never have had the ability to jam communications frequencies. To suggest they could is idiotic!

 

[fncceo]

I don't buy Israel's excuse but I've been equally disgusted with LBJ and his administration. The fake attack in the Gulf of Tonkin to get us full scale into Vietnam and then refusing aid to Americans in the very real USS Liberty attack.

Concerning the Gulf of Tonkin:

“So a conscious effort ensued to demonstrate that an attack occurred.” The Navy likewise says it is now “clear that North Vietnamese naval forces did not attack Maddox and Turner Joy that night.”

In private, Johnson himself expressed doubts about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, reportedly telling a State Department official that “those dumb, stupid sailors were just shooting at flying fish!”
https://www.history.com/news/the-gulf-of-tonkin-incident-50-years-ago
​

Defense of USS Liberty recalled:

The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions. Eventually, the ship was able to make contact with the U.S. carrier Saratoga, and 12 fighter jets and four tanker planes were dispatched to defend the Liberty. When word of their deployment reached Washington, however, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered them recalled to the carrier, and they never reached the Liberty. The reason for the recall remains unclear.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/israel-attacks-uss-liberty​

"The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions."

Fighter aircraft do not and never have had the ability to jam communications frequencies. To suggest they could is idiotic!

Why are you destroying a perfectly good conspiracy theory with facts?

What kind of buzz kill are you?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don't buy Israel's excuse but I've been equally disgusted with LBJ and his administration. The fake attack in the Gulf of Tonkin to get us full scale into Vietnam and then refusing aid to Americans in the very real USS Liberty attack.

Concerning the Gulf of Tonkin:

“So a conscious effort ensued to demonstrate that an attack occurred.” The Navy likewise says it is now “clear that North Vietnamese naval forces did not attack Maddox and Turner Joy that night.”

In private, Johnson himself expressed doubts about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, reportedly telling a State Department official that “those dumb, stupid sailors were just shooting at flying fish!”
https://www.history.com/news/the-gulf-of-tonkin-incident-50-years-ago
​

Defense of USS Liberty recalled:

The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions. Eventually, the ship was able to make contact with the U.S. carrier Saratoga, and 12 fighter jets and four tanker planes were dispatched to defend the Liberty. When word of their deployment reached Washington, however, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered them recalled to the carrier, and they never reached the Liberty. The reason for the recall remains unclear.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/israel-attacks-uss-liberty​

"The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions."

Fighter aircraft do not and never have had the ability to jam communications frequencies. To suggest they could is idiotic!

Why are you destroying a perfectly good conspiracy theory with facts?

What kind of buzz kill are you?

It's a character flaw. I abhor idiocy.

 

[BlackFlag]

Maybe there were zombies on the ship, and Israel saved the world. Bam.

 

[fncceo]

I don't buy Israel's excuse but I've been equally disgusted with LBJ and his administration. The fake attack in the Gulf of Tonkin to get us full scale into Vietnam and then refusing aid to Americans in the very real USS Liberty attack.

Concerning the Gulf of Tonkin:

“So a conscious effort ensued to demonstrate that an attack occurred.” The Navy likewise says it is now “clear that North Vietnamese naval forces did not attack Maddox and Turner Joy that night.”

In private, Johnson himself expressed doubts about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, reportedly telling a State Department official that “those dumb, stupid sailors were just shooting at flying fish!”
https://www.history.com/news/the-gulf-of-tonkin-incident-50-years-ago
​

Defense of USS Liberty recalled:

The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions. Eventually, the ship was able to make contact with the U.S. carrier Saratoga, and 12 fighter jets and four tanker planes were dispatched to defend the Liberty. When word of their deployment reached Washington, however, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered them recalled to the carrier, and they never reached the Liberty. The reason for the recall remains unclear.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/israel-attacks-uss-liberty​

"The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions."

Fighter aircraft do not and never have had the ability to jam communications frequencies. To suggest they could is idiotic!

Why are you destroying a perfectly good conspiracy theory with facts?

What kind of buzz kill are you?

It's a character flaw. I abhor idiocy.

In my job, I've come to accept it. Else I would never get any sleep.

 

[munkle]

it is the only non investigated incident at sea

Correct. The investigation consisted of a Navy board of inquiry rather than a congressional committee which is standard for any major damage to a ship. An admiral and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Admiral Thomas Moorer, conducted his own investigation and concluded the official story was a crock.


A fair probe would attack Liberty misinformation

A FAIR PROBE WOULD ATTACK LIBERTY MISINFORMATION

by Admiral Thomas H. Moorer

While State Department officials and historians converge on Washington this week to discuss the 1967 war in the Middle East, I am compelled to speak out about one of U.S. history's most shocking cover-ups.

On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked our proud naval ship -- the USS Liberty -- killing 34 American servicemen and wounding 172. Those men were then betrayed and left to die by our own government.

U.S. military rescue aircraft were recalled -- not once, but twice -- through direct intervention by the Johnson administration. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara's cancellation of the Navy's attempt to rescue the Liberty, which I confirmed from the commanders of the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga, was the most disgraceful act I witnessed in my entire military career.

To add insult to injury, Congress, to this day, has failed to hold formal hearings on Israel's attack on this American ship. No official investigation of the attack has ever permitted the testimony of the surviving crew members.

A 1967 investigation by the Navy, upon which all other reports are based, has now been fully discredited as a cover-up by its senior attorney. Capt. Ward Boston, in a sworn affidavit, recently revealed that the court was ordered by the White House to cover up the incident and find that Israel's attack was "a case of mistaken identity."

Some distinguished colleagues and I formed an independent commission to investigate the attack on the USS Liberty. After an exhaustive review of previous reports, naval and other military records, including eyewitness testimony from survivors, we recently presented our findings on Capitol Hill. They include:

• Israeli reconnaissance aircraft closely studied the Liberty during an eight-hour period prior to the attack, one flying within 200 feet of the ship. Weather reports confirm the day was clear with unlimited visibility. The Liberty was a clearly marked American ship in international waters, flying an American flag and carrying large U.S. Navy hull letters and numbers on its bow.
  
  
• Despite claims by Israeli intelligence that they confused the Liberty with a small Egyptian transport, the Liberty was conspicuously different from any vessel in the Egyptian navy. It was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world in 1967. With its massive radio antennae, including a large satellite dish, it looked like a large lobster and was one of the most easily identifiable ships afloat.
  
  
• Israel attempted to prevent the Liberty's radio operators from sending a call for help by jamming American emergency radio channels.
  
  
• Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned lifeboats at close range that had been lowered to rescue the most-seriously wounded.
  
  

As a result, our commission concluded that:

• There is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.
  
  
  
• In attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States.
  
  
  
• The White House knowingly covered up the facts of this attack from the American people.
  
  
  
• The truth continues to be concealed to the present day in what can only be termed a national disgrace.
  
  

What was Israel's motive in launching this attack? Congress must address this question with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the CIA and the military intelligence services.
The men of the USS Liberty represented the United States. They were attacked for two hours, causing 70 percent of American casualties, and the eventual loss of our best intelligence ship.

These sailors and Marines were entitled to our best defense. We gave them no defense.

Did our government put Israel's interests ahead of our own? If so, why? Does our government continue to subordinate American interests to Israeli interests? These are important questions that should be investigated by an independent, fully empowered commission of the American government.

The American people deserve to know the truth about this attack. We must finally shed some light on one of the blackest pages in American naval history. It is a duty we owe not only to the brave men of the USS Liberty, but to every man and woman who is asked to wear the uniform of the United States.

 

[P F Tinmore]

As the originator of the attack, Israel was in the best position to know what happened. As I recall it was a hot war zone and the Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Israel never denied the action.

Israeli recon planes circled the ship for 7 hours in the morning on a perfectly clear day, close enough to wave to the sailors. The ship was flying a huge American flag you could see for miles, and marked with fresh painted American markings. The ship the Israelis said it was mistaken for was an ancient rust bucket half the size. Radio transmissions now confirm that the Israelis knew the ship was American and meant to sink it, to draw us into the Six Day War against Egypt.

After attacking for two hours with rockets, cannon fire, and torpedo boats, they machine gunned the lifeboats. The sailors saved their ship, fighting fires and damage while treating wounded, less wounded treating more badly wounded. They will never, ever stop saying it was NOT an accident. It was covered up by LBJ, Israel, and the US congress. It is beyond debate now that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing. One pilot refused to press the attack and was arrested upon landing back at base in Tel Aviv.

The ship was flying a huge American flag you could see for miles, and marked with fresh painted American markings.

Indeed, there was an American flag the size of a garage door.