Will Trump Go Against Capitalism?

[gusto]

Let's face it. Trump became a multi-billionaire through capitalism. And capitalism is the root of most of our economic problems. For example, in the documentary "The Corporation," they correctly pointed out that most corporations are psychopathic and sociopathic entities. Along with other bad things. With that being the case, is it any wonder that things are so bad? So to fix things, Trump is going to have to go against something that made him wealthy. Will he do so? I doubt it. But at least he is no Hillary.

Capitalism is the root of our economic problems?

Does that level of retardation hurt? I mean physical pain?

YOU are the retard.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Let's face it. Trump became a multi-billionaire through capitalism. And capitalism is the root of most of our economic problems. For example, in the documentary "The Corporation," they correctly pointed out that most corporations are psychopathic and sociopathic entities. Along with other bad things. With that being the case, is it any wonder that things are so bad? So to fix things, Trump is going to have to go against something that made him wealthy. Will he do so? I doubt it. But at least he is no Hillary.

Capitalism is the root of our economic problems?

Does that level of retardation hurt? I mean physical pain?

YOU are the retard.

Herpaderp derpity derp indeed, sploogy.

 

[SavannahMann]

Capitalism, like democracy is the worst. With the exception of every other alternative. Controlled economies are inevitably disasters. The innovation is politically driven, which means it doesn't have to actually work to be required.

Look at how many billions of dollars have been sunk into a ballistic missile shield and so far we haven't if you want to get technical actually intercepted a ballistic target. But look at Venezuela or Cuba for more examples where controlled economies fail. Venezuela is starving to death, Noth Korea needs tons of charity every year to keep their population on the verge of starvation, and Cuba regularly has shortages of things like toilet paper. Not to mention cars more suitable for a classic car show than daily use.

While the Soviet Union was pushing innovation for military uses, most parts of the economy was stagnant. Going back to cars, the biggest seller was the Lada Riva which was a license version of the Fiat 124. This 1960's compact car was built in Russia until 2012 with very few changes from the original. But seeing the Russian dashboard camera accident films on You Tube perhaps this is why.

Show me an example of a working controlled economy. British Leyland showed us that the Government didn't know how to build a car. Most of the brands are dead now, or a label slapped on a foreign made car. Governments do some things very well. But innovation isn't one of those things.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Free trade with second or third world nations is not required in capitalism. In fact, it is a problem for capitalism. Trade between equals is a good thing, it establishes competition, and provides the environment necessary for a superior product. Think back to the Japanese invasion of the 1970's. The cars were small, ugly, used far less gasoline during a gas shortage than their domestic competitors, but most importantly, were reliable.

This competition meant that the domestic automakers had to improve their reliability. But the Japanese were not just chilling and relaxing knowing they had a good car. They worked on the styling, and improved on even their stellar reliability. The Americans learned from the Japanese, and the Japanese improved their products to stay competitive.

Absolutely. My last American made car was my last American made car. After 30,000 miles, my mechanic drove it more than I did.

So I went to Toyota. I've owned Toyota for nearly ten years now. Never seen a tow truck, never stranded me anywhere.

My "former" mechanic tipped me off. He told me that while US companies were putting money into their union employees and benefits, Japanese companies were investing their money in engineering and quality parts. That's why Toyota can give you a 100,000 mile 7 year bumper to bumper warranty, and American car manufacturers can't.

 

[SavannahMann]

I've got a Toyota Sienna. It was manufactured in Indiana with more than 75% American made or sourced parts. Americans make Toyotas as well as Nissan, Volkswagen, BMW, Kia, and others. Americans can make quality products. But they have to have a good product design before they begin.

Ford owned Jaguar for a while. Jag is a luxury car and should be designed as one from the beginning. You have to start with that before the first engineering diagram is drafted. The cars Jag made while owned by Ford were fairly good, more reliable than the BL models. But the luxury was lacking something. The joke was that the interior was designed by Ford's crack team of accountants.

Volkswagen encouraged the employees to unionize. The employees refused and voted the union down. Unions are not inherently bad any more than capitalism is. Problems arise when people are unwilling to compromise. Give a little and get a little.

Audi, BMW, Mercedes, And many other excellent cars are made by union workers. It would be difficult to find a safer car than Volvo which always has had a Union.

The difference is not the union. The difference is the passion. If the boss is all about making money then that is the focus of the company. If the focus is all about making a good car, then you will have that first in your mind.

Corvettes built by union workers are finally world class cars. The focus was put in the right place, building a quality product. A Ford Velociraptor truck is arguably the best four wheel drive truck in the world.

Union workers make our Carriers that are the cornerstone of our defense. They make the planes we fly in and the bridges we drive across. Unions can be bad and a real problem but that is no more a certainty than any other association of people being bad.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I've got a Toyota Sienna. It was manufactured in Indiana with more than 75% American made or sourced parts. Americans make Toyotas as well as Nissan, Volkswagen, BMW, Kia, and others. Americans can make quality products. But they have to have a good product design before they begin.

Ford owned Jaguar for a while. Jag is a luxury car and should be designed as one from the beginning. You have to start with that before the first engineering diagram is drafted. The cars Jag made while owned by Ford were fairly good, more reliable than the BL models. But the luxury was lacking something. The joke was that the interior was designed by Ford's crack team of accountants.

Volkswagen encouraged the employees to unionize. The employees refused and voted the union down. Unions are not inherently bad any more than capitalism is. Problems arise when people are unwilling to compromise. Give a little and get a little.

Audi, BMW, Mercedes, And many other excellent cars are made by union workers. It would be difficult to find a safer car than Volvo which always has had a Union.

The difference is not the union. The difference is the passion. If the boss is all about making money then that is the focus of the company. If the focus is all about making a good car, then you will have that first in your mind.

Corvettes built by union workers are finally world class cars. The focus was put in the right place, building a quality product. A Ford Velociraptor truck is arguably the best four wheel drive truck in the world.

Union workers make our Carriers that are the cornerstone of our defense. They make the planes we fly in and the bridges we drive across. Unions can be bad and a real problem but that is no more a certainty than any other association of people being bad.

Sure, unions can make good stuff, but you will pay out the ass for it to as we do with our military equipment.

However for competitive products such as passenger cars and trucks, unions killed the American auto manufacturing.

Like you said, many of those plants that manufacturer Japanese vehicles are here in the USA, but they are not union as well. If a plant wanted to overpay workers and make a quality vehicle, you will pay for it dearly.

I ran into an old friend a few years back. We used to hang out when we were teens. We started to talk about old times, and he told me about one of our friends who is retired from an auto plant. He retired at the age of 50.

Who do you think pays for his early retirement? Who pays for his medical coverage? That's right, the people that buy cars.

For the US to stay competitive with the Japanese, they have to cut somewhere to pay these current workers and retirees. So they cut in engineering and quality parts.

All that aside, another thing that made me go Japanese is my job. I'm a tractor-trailer driver and used to deliver to those auto plants all the time here in Ohio. I could write a book on the ridiculous things that took place while making deliveries there. My employer finally quit taking auto plant deliveries because he can't tie up a truck for a half of a day for some union worker to finally decide to unload a truck. A non-union company would have me unloaded in a half-hour.

Back in the union days, I could make a pickup or delivery to a company I've never heard of before, and within five minutes, I could tell you if they were union or not based on the employees attitudes and willingness to work and get the job done.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Absolutely. My last American made car was my last American made car. After 30,000 miles, my mechanic drove it more than I did.

So I went to Toyota. I've owned Toyota for nearly ten years now. Never seen a tow truck, never stranded me anywhere.

My "former" mechanic tipped me off. He told me that while US companies were putting money into their union employees and benefits, Japanese companies were investing their money in engineering and quality parts. That's why Toyota can give you a 100,000 mile 7 year bumper to bumper warranty, and American car manufacturers can't.

My Dodge truck came with a 7 year, 100,000 warranty.

 

[gusto]

Capitalism, like democracy is the worst. With the exception of every other alternative. Controlled economies are inevitably disasters. The innovation is politically driven, which means it doesn't have to actually work to be required.

Look at how many billions of dollars have been sunk into a ballistic missile shield and so far we haven't if you want to get technical actually intercepted a ballistic target. But look at Venezuela or Cuba for more examples where controlled economies fail. Venezuela is starving to death, Noth Korea needs tons of charity every year to keep their population on the verge of starvation, and Cuba regularly has shortages of things like toilet paper. Not to mention cars more suitable for a classic car show than daily use.

While the Soviet Union was pushing innovation for military uses, most parts of the economy was stagnant. Going back to cars, the biggest seller was the Lada Riva which was a license version of the Fiat 124. This 1960's compact car was built in Russia until 2012 with very few changes from the original. But seeing the Russian dashboard camera accident films on You Tube perhaps this is why.

Show me an example of a working controlled economy. British Leyland showed us that the Government didn't know how to build a car. Most of the brands are dead now, or a label slapped on a foreign made car. Governments do some things very well. But innovation isn't one of those things.

First, it is absolutely meaningless that there are "controlled" economies that don't work very well. First of all, they aren't economies controlled by White people. Secondly, their failure doesn't mean we wouldn't succeed. All it takes is knowing what you're doing and getting your priorities straight. Vote for me as dictator. I will show you how it is done.

Next, you want an example of a working controlled economy? Nazi Germany. Hitler turned their economic misery into an economic miracle. National Socialism was a far better success than the U.S. democratic capitalist system was. (Or still is) Or the British capitalist system and their failure with the Leyland. For that, they had to be destroyed. And have endless lies told about them ever after.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

My Dodge truck came with a 7 year, 100,000 warranty.

That's surprising. Maybe American manufacturers are starting to realize why customers are turning them away.

 

[gusto]

Free trade with second or third world nations is not required in capitalism. In fact, it is a problem for capitalism. Trade between equals is a good thing, it establishes competition, and provides the environment necessary for a superior product. Think back to the Japanese invasion of the 1970's. The cars were small, ugly, used far less gasoline during a gas shortage than their domestic competitors, but most importantly, were reliable.

This competition meant that the domestic automakers had to improve their reliability. But the Japanese were not just chilling and relaxing knowing they had a good car. They worked on the styling, and improved on even their stellar reliability. The Americans learned from the Japanese, and the Japanese improved their products to stay competitive.

Absolutely. My last American made car was my last American made car. After 30,000 miles, my mechanic drove it more than I did.

So I went to Toyota. I've owned Toyota for nearly ten years now. Never seen a tow truck, never stranded me anywhere.

My "former" mechanic tipped me off. He told me that while US companies were putting money into their union employees and benefits, Japanese companies were investing their money in engineering and quality parts. That's why Toyota can give you a 100,000 mile 7 year bumper to bumper warranty, and American car manufacturers can't.

You just have no idea on how our capitalist system works. It's very foundation is based on obsolescence and waste. If you made something that lasted for hundreds of years, after a while it would be difficult to employ somebody to make that thing. As far as cars go and building useless parts to have something to sell, I have a documentary to suggest to you. It is called, "Who killed the electric car."

 

[gusto]

I've got a Toyota Sienna. It was manufactured in Indiana with more than 75% American made or sourced parts. Americans make Toyotas as well as Nissan, Volkswagen, BMW, Kia, and others. Americans can make quality products. But they have to have a good product design before they begin.

Ford owned Jaguar for a while. Jag is a luxury car and should be designed as one from the beginning. You have to start with that before the first engineering diagram is drafted. The cars Jag made while owned by Ford were fairly good, more reliable than the BL models. But the luxury was lacking something. The joke was that the interior was designed by Ford's crack team of accountants.

Volkswagen encouraged the employees to unionize. The employees refused and voted the union down. Unions are not inherently bad any more than capitalism is. Problems arise when people are unwilling to compromise. Give a little and get a little.

Audi, BMW, Mercedes, And many other excellent cars are made by union workers. It would be difficult to find a safer car than Volvo which always has had a Union.

The difference is not the union. The difference is the passion. If the boss is all about making money then that is the focus of the company. If the focus is all about making a good car, then you will have that first in your mind.

Corvettes built by union workers are finally world class cars. The focus was put in the right place, building a quality product. A Ford Velociraptor truck is arguably the best four wheel drive truck in the world.

Union workers make our Carriers that are the cornerstone of our defense. They make the planes we fly in and the bridges we drive across. Unions can be bad and a real problem but that is no more a certainty than any other association of people being bad.

Michigan used to be a strong union state. Recently they made it a right to work state. Which translated means a right to fuck over your employees state. Sending jobs to cheap labor overseas is like union busting on steroids. On some documentary TV show I saw once, they talked about one company that decided to pay their workers better. They decided to limit the pay of their executives no more than 15 times what the average worker makes. On some other documentary they talked about one company that made their employees equal partners in the company. Which means that with the exception of executives or somebody with higher skills, they all shared prophets equally. It made the employees happier. And happier employees build better products.

 

[gusto]

I've got a Toyota Sienna. It was manufactured in Indiana with more than 75% American made or sourced parts. Americans make Toyotas as well as Nissan, Volkswagen, BMW, Kia, and others. Americans can make quality products. But they have to have a good product design before they begin.

Ford owned Jaguar for a while. Jag is a luxury car and should be designed as one from the beginning. You have to start with that before the first engineering diagram is drafted. The cars Jag made while owned by Ford were fairly good, more reliable than the BL models. But the luxury was lacking something. The joke was that the interior was designed by Ford's crack team of accountants.

Volkswagen encouraged the employees to unionize. The employees refused and voted the union down. Unions are not inherently bad any more than capitalism is. Problems arise when people are unwilling to compromise. Give a little and get a little.

Audi, BMW, Mercedes, And many other excellent cars are made by union workers. It would be difficult to find a safer car than Volvo which always has had a Union.

The difference is not the union. The difference is the passion. If the boss is all about making money then that is the focus of the company. If the focus is all about making a good car, then you will have that first in your mind.

Corvettes built by union workers are finally world class cars. The focus was put in the right place, building a quality product. A Ford Velociraptor truck is arguably the best four wheel drive truck in the world.

Union workers make our Carriers that are the cornerstone of our defense. They make the planes we fly in and the bridges we drive across. Unions can be bad and a real problem but that is no more a certainty than any other association of people being bad.

Sure, unions can make good stuff, but you will pay out the ass for it to as we do with our military equipment.

However for competitive products such as passenger cars and trucks, unions killed the American auto manufacturing.

Like you said, many of those plants that manufacturer Japanese vehicles are here in the USA, but they are not union as well. If a plant wanted to overpay workers and make a quality vehicle, you will pay for it dearly.

I ran into an old friend a few years back. We used to hang out when we were teens. We started to talk about old times, and he told me about one of our friends who is retired from an auto plant. He retired at the age of 50.

Who do you think pays for his early retirement? Who pays for his medical coverage? That's right, the people that buy cars.

For the US to stay competitive with the Japanese, they have to cut somewhere to pay these current workers and retirees. So they cut in engineering and quality parts.

All that aside, another thing that made me go Japanese is my job. I'm a tractor-trailer driver and used to deliver to those auto plants all the time here in Ohio. I could write a book on the ridiculous things that took place while making deliveries there. My employer finally quit taking auto plant deliveries because he can't tie up a truck for a half of a day for some union worker to finally decide to unload a truck. A non-union company would have me unloaded in a half-hour.

Back in the union days, I could make a pickup or delivery to a company I've never heard of before, and within five minutes, I could tell you if they were union or not based on the employees attitudes and willingness to work and get the job done.

To a small degree, unions may have been harmful to the auto industry. But that's what happens when unions are run by mobsters. What really killed unions was cheap foreign labor. And in many cases cheap foreign child labor. How would you like to see the U.S. go back to the "good old days" of child labor. Keep harping on unions. It may happen.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You just have no idea on how our capitalist system works. It's very foundation is based on obsolescence and waste. If you made something that lasted for hundreds of years, after a while it would be difficult to employ somebody to make that thing. As far as cars go and building useless parts to have something to sell, I have a documentary to suggest to you. It is called, "Who killed the electric car."

Well that's why American made cars are always in the garage; they use cheap parts.

Americans buy cheap stuff. It's an obsession with us today. We no longer care about quality, we care about price.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

To a small degree, unions may have been harmful to the auto industry. But that's what happens when unions are run by mobsters. What really killed unions was cheap foreign labor. And in many cases cheap foreign child labor. How would you like to see the U.S. go back to the "good old days" of child labor. Keep harping on unions. It may happen.

Unions killed themselves and the companies they worked for because being a union person means you virtually can't get fired. As long as you're walking and breathing, the company can't do squat to you. And if people above you retire or quit their job, your lazy ass gets promoted to the next position.

So what really happened to unions? They got greedy, just like those greedy corporatists you constantly speak of. The more they got for their employees, the more cut from their paycheck the unions got.

 

[gusto]

You just have no idea on how our capitalist system works. It's very foundation is based on obsolescence and waste. If you made something that lasted for hundreds of years, after a while it would be difficult to employ somebody to make that thing. As far as cars go and building useless parts to have something to sell, I have a documentary to suggest to you. It is called, "Who killed the electric car."

Well that's why American made cars are always in the garage; they use cheap parts.

Americans buy cheap stuff. It's an obsession with us today. We no longer care about quality, we care about price.

Unfortunately, most of those cheap parts are now made overseas. Maybe they should start having prisoners here make them. With overhead being so low they could concentrate on quality. But then, everybody would have to start getting themselves thrown into prison for work.

 

[gusto]

To a small degree, unions may have been harmful to the auto industry. But that's what happens when unions are run by mobsters. What really killed unions was cheap foreign labor. And in many cases cheap foreign child labor. How would you like to see the U.S. go back to the "good old days" of child labor. Keep harping on unions. It may happen.

Unions killed themselves and the companies they worked for because being a union person means you virtually can't get fired. As long as you're walking and breathing, the company can't do squat to you. And if people above you retire or quit their job, your lazy ass gets promoted to the next position.

So what really happened to unions? They got greedy, just like those greedy corporatists you constantly speak of. The more they got for their employees, the more cut from their paycheck the unions got.

What is actually needed is a strong union where people aren't worked to death and are still held somewhat accountable. But that union was smashed too. It was called National Socialism.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What is actually needed is a strong union where people aren't worked to death and are still held somewhat accountable. But that union was smashed too. It was called National Socialism.

Unions are a thing of the past. It served it's purpose, got too big and too greedy, and now we no longer want them in the US.

Now all we need to do is get them out of our government and we will be all set.

 

[gusto]

What is actually needed is a strong union where people aren't worked to death and are still held somewhat accountable. But that union was smashed too. It was called National Socialism.

Unions are a thing of the past. It served it's purpose, got too big and too greedy, and now we no longer want them in the US.

Now all we need to do is get them out of our government and we will be all set.

You disgust me! Unions did very many positive things. Gave people safer working conditions, 5 day work weeks, ended child labor and gave them better pay. Such as by doing away with company script. These days, the average American worker has to work harder and longer to get less than just about any other developed country in the world. If not in fact every other developed country in the world. As long as corporate greed exists, there will always be a need for unions.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You disgust me! Unions did very many positive things. Gave people safer working conditions, 5 day work weeks, ended child labor and gave them better pay. Such as by doing away with company script. These days, the average American worker has to work harder and longer to get less than just about any other developed country in the world. If not in fact every other developed country in the world. As long as corporate greed exists, there will always be a need for unions.

Unions were good at one time, but like I said, they got too greedy.

My experiences with unions make me want to barf. Thanks to unions, we lost a lot of good customers who either moved out of the state or out of the country altogether just to GTF away from them.

I have dozens of union stories to tell but I won't bore you with each one. I will tell you that unions make employees stronger than the employers, and that just doesn't work in the long run. Employees should just work--not force companies their way to run their business.

 

[gusto]

You disgust me! Unions did very many positive things. Gave people safer working conditions, 5 day work weeks, ended child labor and gave them better pay. Such as by doing away with company script. These days, the average American worker has to work harder and longer to get less than just about any other developed country in the world. If not in fact every other developed country in the world. As long as corporate greed exists, there will always be a need for unions.

Unions were good at one time, but like I said, they got too greedy.

My experiences with unions make me want to barf. Thanks to unions, we lost a lot of good customers who either moved out of the state or out of the country altogether just to GTF away from them.

I have dozens of union stories to tell but I won't bore you with each one. I will tell you that unions make employees stronger than the employers, and that just doesn't work in the long run. Employees should just work--not force companies their way to run their business.

You do realize that you are talking shit don't you. Unions helped workers get better pay. With better pay, many companies found them to be great customers. Because they had the money to buy what they were selling.