Will Trump Be Beating The Pardons?

[toobfreak]

OK, this is speculative at this point, I have no website to link to yet, this is coming straight from attorney Tom Fitton I just saw interviewed on television and I will try to relate as best I can the gist of the discussion:

THERE MAY BE LEGAL GROUNDS FOR BEATING THESE PARDONS.

The issue of Nixon's blanket pardon came up and the remark was: Well, that pardon was never challenged, but there may be legal grounds to challenge these.

• For one thing, once a pardon is issued, there is a lot of paperwork and procedures the government must undertake--- Biden issued many of these pardons SO LATE in his term that this process was never fully undertaken yet and those who would do it are no longer there.
• Trump apparently has grounds to refuse to accept pardons under certain conditions.
• In the case of Gen. Milley, he can be recalled to duty then court-martialed. It would then be up to HIM to present the pardon as HIS legal defense as a test of it.
• As to the J6 Committee, apparently the pardon lacks a lot of specificity in exactly WHO is being pardoned! In many cases it fails to NAME NAMES, as such, it can be dismissed on grounds of legal ambiguity. No pardon has ever been issued for "these guys."
• Blanket pardons which do not specify what they are being pardoned of or why in cases where the pardonee is neither charged with any crime nor has any conviction are largely unprecedented, have never been issued preemptively this way before and such pardons have never been challenged in court.
• Further, the sneaky way in which Biden waited until the final 24 hours or even just 20 minutes before leaving office to issue some of these pardons may add further legal jeopardy upon the merits of their holding up in court.
• The timing and the scope of these pardons – including the Hunter Biden pardon – worry many experts, and cast a shadow of guilt upon the recipients. Adam Schiff calls them unnecessary and if accepted, removes 5th Amendment protections from the recipients.
• One thing that concerns me is one of Trump's own EOs stating that the government is now barred from weaponizing justice against people; I'm not sure the wording of that EO or the reason behind it and wonder if it could get in his way if defendants try to argue that criminal cases brought against them is a form of weaponized "retribution."

Short story is that work is underway to test these pardons and challenge them, certainly Milley who committed an act of treason in conspiring with the Chinese behind the President's back to usurp the POTUS' authority and those connected to the J6 Committee. Nothing was yet said about Biden family pardons, but I thought people here might be interested to know as right now, I've not yet heard anything formally released about this in the media.

ITMT, the picture of General Milley has been taken down off the wall at the Pentagon.

Here is some reading relating to the story:

Do Biden’s preemptive pardons offer a safety valve or set bad precedent?

Joe Biden’s eleventh-hour preemptive pardons for his family and Trump critics are raising further questions about the use of presidential pardons.

www.csmonitor.com

Mark Milley's portrait removed from Pentagon hall

Mark Milley's portrait as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was taken down from the Pentagon hallway where all of the paintings of the previous chairmen are located.

abcnews.go.com

Further cogent information and intelligent comment is invited.

 

[The Duke]

OK, this is speculative at this point, I have no website to link to yet, this is coming straight from attorney Tom Fitton I just saw interviewed on television and I will try to relate as best I can the gist of the discussion:

THERE MAY BE LEGAL GROUNDS FOR BEATING THESE PARDONS.

The issue of Nixon's blanket pardon came up and the remark was: Well, that pardon was never challenged, but there may be legal grounds to challenge these.

• For one thing, once a pardon is issued, there is a lot of paperwork and procedures the government must undertake--- Biden issued many of these pardons SO LATE in his term that this process was never fully undertaken yet and those who would do it are no longer there.
• Trump apparently has grounds to refuse to accept pardons under certain conditions.
• In the case of Gen. Milley, he can be recalled to duty then court-martialed. It would then be up to HIM to present the pardon as HIS legal defense as a test of it.
• As to the J6 Committee, apparently the pardon lacks a lot of specificity in exactly WHO is being pardoned! In many cases it fails to NAME NAMES, as such, it can be dismissed on grounds of legal ambiguity. No pardon has ever been issued for "these guys."
• Blanket pardons which do not specify what they are being pardoned of or why in cases where the pardonee is neither charged with any crime nor has any conviction are largely unprecedented, have never been issued preemptively this way before and such pardons have never been challenged in court.
• Further, the sneaky way in which Biden waited until the final 24 hours or even just 20 minutes before leaving office to issue some of these pardons may add further legal jeopardy upon the merits of their holding up in court.
• The timing and the scope of these pardons – including the Hunter Biden pardon – worry many experts, and cast a shadow of guilt upon the recipients. Adam Schiff calls them unnecessary and if accepted, removes 5th Amendment protections from the recipients.
• One thing that concerns me is one of Trump's own EOs stating that the government is now barred from weaponizing justice against people; I'm not sure the wording of that EO or the reason behind it and wonder if it could get in his way if defendants try to argue that criminal cases brought against them is a form of weaponized "retribution."

Short story is that work is underway to test these pardons and challenge them, certainly Milley who committed an act of treason in conspiring with the Chinese behind the President's back to usurp the POTUS' authority and those connected to the J6 Committee. Nothing was yet said about Biden family pardons, but I thought people here might be interested to know as right now, I've not yet heard anything formally released about this in the media.

ITMT, the picture of General Milley has been taken down off the wall at the Pentagon.

Here is some reading relating to the story:

Do Biden’s preemptive pardons offer a safety valve or set bad precedent?

Joe Biden’s eleventh-hour preemptive pardons for his family and Trump critics are raising further questions about the use of presidential pardons.

www.csmonitor.com

Mark Milley's portrait removed from Pentagon hall

Mark Milley's portrait as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was taken down from the Pentagon hallway where all of the paintings of the previous chairmen are located.

abcnews.go.com

Further cogent information and intelligent comment is invited.

Brudda man, you done told me all I need to know when you said Tom Fitton's on it.

That dude's serious business, no matter what he's embarking on.
It might be Quixote-ish, but he's gonna be dead serious about it and pursue every avenue.
Like an Investigative Journalist or something.

 

[The Duke]

Actually there was a bat signal sent up for Tom Fitton on Twitter earlier about this and now he's on it like white on rice. It's glorious!

 

[sparky]

What Would Nixon Do? ~S~

 

[IM2]

Trump won't beat those pardons and he would be best served not to try. Because he has no reason to go after the people who were pardoned

 

[sparky]

Trump won't beat those pardons and he would be best served not to try. Because he has no reason to go after the people who were pardoned

even the ones who destroyed or with held evidence ? ~S~

 

[yidnar]

Trump won't beat those pardons and he would be best served not to try. Because he has no reason to go after the people who were pardoned

why were they pardoned ?

 

[toobfreak]

Trump won't beat those pardons

Just like he would never be elected much less reelected?

and he would be best served not to try.

I'd ask why but I really don't care anything you say and keep you on ignore.

Because he has no reason to go after the people who were pardoned

Apparently in the USA, committing felonies and treason and abuse of the legal system targeting individuals then hunting for a crime to hang on them as a weapon is EVERY reason to go after them. The Left used a /millionth/ of the justification to attack Trump. Time to pay the Piper.

The pardons WILL be beaten. Trump and Bondi will turn over every law in the land to find a legal means to prosecute Milley, Cheney, and hopefully MANY OTHERS for the known, proven salacious CRIMES they have committed. Most of all, I hope he busts Biden's ass GOOD.

 

[The Duke]

why were they pardoned ?

Zeez questions must not be asked!

 

[Mac-7]

OK, this is speculative at this point, I have no website to link to yet, this is coming straight from attorney Tom Fitton I just saw interviewed on television and I will try to relate as best I can the gist of the discussion:

THERE MAY BE LEGAL GROUNDS FOR BEATING THESE PARDONS.

The issue of Nixon's blanket pardon came up and the remark was: Well, that pardon was never challenged, but there may be legal grounds to challenge these.

• For one thing, once a pardon is issued, there is a lot of paperwork and procedures the government must undertake--- Biden issued many of these pardons SO LATE in his term that this process was never fully undertaken yet and those who would do it are no longer there.
• Trump apparently has grounds to refuse to accept pardons under certain conditions.
• In the case of Gen. Milley, he can be recalled to duty then court-martialed. It would then be up to HIM to present the pardon as HIS legal defense as a test of it.
• As to the J6 Committee, apparently the pardon lacks a lot of specificity in exactly WHO is being pardoned! In many cases it fails to NAME NAMES, as such, it can be dismissed on grounds of legal ambiguity. No pardon has ever been issued for "these guys."
• Blanket pardons which do not specify what they are being pardoned of or why in cases where the pardonee is neither charged with any crime nor has any conviction are largely unprecedented, have never been issued preemptively this way before and such pardons have never been challenged in court.
• Further, the sneaky way in which Biden waited until the final 24 hours or even just 20 minutes before leaving office to issue some of these pardons may add further legal jeopardy upon the merits of their holding up in court.
• The timing and the scope of these pardons – including the Hunter Biden pardon – worry many experts, and cast a shadow of guilt upon the recipients. Adam Schiff calls them unnecessary and if accepted, removes 5th Amendment protections from the recipients.
• One thing that concerns me is one of Trump's own EOs stating that the government is now barred from weaponizing justice against people; I'm not sure the wording of that EO or the reason behind it and wonder if it could get in his way if defendants try to argue that criminal cases brought against them is a form of weaponized "retribution."

Short story is that work is underway to test these pardons and challenge them, certainly Milley who committed an act of treason in conspiring with the Chinese behind the President's back to usurp the POTUS' authority and those connected to the J6 Committee. Nothing was yet said about Biden family pardons, but I thought people here might be interested to know as right now, I've not yet heard anything formally released about this in the media.

ITMT, the picture of General Milley has been taken down off the wall at the Pentagon.

Here is some reading relating to the story:

Do Biden’s preemptive pardons offer a safety valve or set bad precedent?

Joe Biden’s eleventh-hour preemptive pardons for his family and Trump critics are raising further questions about the use of presidential pardons.

www.csmonitor.com

Mark Milley's portrait removed from Pentagon hall

Mark Milley's portrait as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was taken down from the Pentagon hallway where all of the paintings of the previous chairmen are located.

abcnews.go.com

Further cogent information and intelligent comment is invited.

Its too soon to celebrate, but even a ray of hope is welcome

 

[The Duke]

Just like he would never be elected much less reelected?


I'd ask why but I really don't care anything you say and keep you on ignore.


Apparently in the USA, committing felonies and treason and abuse of the legal system targeting individuals then hunting for a crime to hang on them as a weapon is EVERY reason to go after them. The Left used a /millionth/ of the justification to attack Trump. Time to pay the Piper.

The pardons WILL be beaten. Trump and Bondi will turn over every law in the land to find a legal means to prosecute Milley, Cheney, and hopefully MANY OTHERS for the known, proven salacious CRIMES they have committed. Most of all, I hope he busts Biden's ass GOOD.

Tell us how you really feel!

 

[JoeMoma]

OK, this is speculative at this point, I have no website to link to yet, this is coming straight from attorney Tom Fitton I just saw interviewed on television and I will try to relate as best I can the gist of the discussion:

THERE MAY BE LEGAL GROUNDS FOR BEATING THESE PARDONS.

The issue of Nixon's blanket pardon came up and the remark was: Well, that pardon was never challenged, but there may be legal grounds to challenge these.

• For one thing, once a pardon is issued, there is a lot of paperwork and procedures the government must undertake--- Biden issued many of these pardons SO LATE in his term that this process was never fully undertaken yet and those who would do it are no longer there.
• Trump apparently has grounds to refuse to accept pardons under certain conditions.
• In the case of Gen. Milley, he can be recalled to duty then court-martialed. It would then be up to HIM to present the pardon as HIS legal defense as a test of it.
• As to the J6 Committee, apparently the pardon lacks a lot of specificity in exactly WHO is being pardoned! In many cases it fails to NAME NAMES, as such, it can be dismissed on grounds of legal ambiguity. No pardon has ever been issued for "these guys."
• Blanket pardons which do not specify what they are being pardoned of or why in cases where the pardonee is neither charged with any crime nor has any conviction are largely unprecedented, have never been issued preemptively this way before and such pardons have never been challenged in court.
• Further, the sneaky way in which Biden waited until the final 24 hours or even just 20 minutes before leaving office to issue some of these pardons may add further legal jeopardy upon the merits of their holding up in court.
• The timing and the scope of these pardons – including the Hunter Biden pardon – worry many experts, and cast a shadow of guilt upon the recipients. Adam Schiff calls them unnecessary and if accepted, removes 5th Amendment protections from the recipients.
• One thing that concerns me is one of Trump's own EOs stating that the government is now barred from weaponizing justice against people; I'm not sure the wording of that EO or the reason behind it and wonder if it could get in his way if defendants try to argue that criminal cases brought against them is a form of weaponized "retribution."

Short story is that work is underway to test these pardons and challenge them, certainly Milley who committed an act of treason in conspiring with the Chinese behind the President's back to usurp the POTUS' authority and those connected to the J6 Committee. Nothing was yet said about Biden family pardons, but I thought people here might be interested to know as right now, I've not yet heard anything formally released about this in the media.

ITMT, the picture of General Milley has been taken down off the wall at the Pentagon.

Here is some reading relating to the story:

Do Biden’s preemptive pardons offer a safety valve or set bad precedent?

Joe Biden’s eleventh-hour preemptive pardons for his family and Trump critics are raising further questions about the use of presidential pardons.

www.csmonitor.com

Mark Milley's portrait removed from Pentagon hall

Mark Milley's portrait as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was taken down from the Pentagon hallway where all of the paintings of the previous chairmen are located.

abcnews.go.com

Further cogent information and intelligent comment is invited.

I would not be surprised, if brought to SCOTUS, that pardons are ruled to have to be specific in who they are for and at least be specific for crimes for which the person committed. A pardon should not be a generalized "Get-Out-Of-Jail" card for a specific person or a generalized group of people.

Another possibility could be that SCOTUS rules that a person has to be convicted of a crime before that person can be pardoned for that crime.

 

[toobfreak]

Its too soon to celebrate, but even a ray of hope is welcome

I'm not celebrating anything other than the fact that one day in, apparently work is hard underway by top people looking very hard at forging ahead and still charging many of Biden's people, pardon or not, for the crimes they committed, and finding a way around or through these pardons.

Many of Joe's pardons are so specious and slimy that they demand legal challenge, otherwise we run the risk of this becoming the new standard by future presidents.

 

[Blaster]

Biden makes Nixon look like a Saint.

 

[toobfreak]

I would not be surprised, if brought to SCOTUS, that pardons are ruled to have to be specific

That is always a possibility.

in who they are for and at least be specific for crimes for which the person committed.

Well, blanket pardons have been used before for Nixon and by two other presidents I think, but in none of those cases were the pardons so BROADLY BLANKETING and nebulous or applied in so scurrilous a way.

A pardon should not be a generalized "Get-Out-Of-Jail" card for a specific person or a generalized group of people.

You would hope not otherwise, an administration could commit any number of crimes and abuses, then simply pardon themselves of it all as they walk out the door.

Another possibility could be that SCOTUS rules that a person has to be convicted of a crime before that person can be pardoned for that crime.

Like I said, such pardons HAVE been done before, rarely, but not in the way that Biden did it, nor were any ever challenged for that reason--- none were ever done so blatantly as a finger in the eye of justice to call for being challenged. The worst of them all was Biden pardoning his own family. But of what?

ITMT, accepting the pardons, they are now no longer protected by the 5th and may be dragged into court and grilled relentlessly. hehheh.

 

[Captain Caveman]

 

[Oddball]

 

[Oddball]

OK, this is speculative at this point, I have no website to link to yet, this is coming straight from attorney Tom Fitton I just saw interviewed on television and I will try to relate as best I can the gist of the discussion:

THERE MAY BE LEGAL GROUNDS FOR BEATING THESE PARDONS.

The issue of Nixon's blanket pardon came up and the remark was: Well, that pardon was never challenged, but there may be legal grounds to challenge these.

• For one thing, once a pardon is issued, there is a lot of paperwork and procedures the government must undertake--- Biden issued many of these pardons SO LATE in his term that this process was never fully undertaken yet and those who would do it are no longer there.
• Trump apparently has grounds to refuse to accept pardons under certain conditions.
• In the case of Gen. Milley, he can be recalled to duty then court-martialed. It would then be up to HIM to present the pardon as HIS legal defense as a test of it.
• As to the J6 Committee, apparently the pardon lacks a lot of specificity in exactly WHO is being pardoned! In many cases it fails to NAME NAMES, as such, it can be dismissed on grounds of legal ambiguity. No pardon has ever been issued for "these guys."
• Blanket pardons which do not specify what they are being pardoned of or why in cases where the pardonee is neither charged with any crime nor has any conviction are largely unprecedented, have never been issued preemptively this way before and such pardons have never been challenged in court.
• Further, the sneaky way in which Biden waited until the final 24 hours or even just 20 minutes before leaving office to issue some of these pardons may add further legal jeopardy upon the merits of their holding up in court.
• The timing and the scope of these pardons – including the Hunter Biden pardon – worry many experts, and cast a shadow of guilt upon the recipients. Adam Schiff calls them unnecessary and if accepted, removes 5th Amendment protections from the recipients.
• One thing that concerns me is one of Trump's own EOs stating that the government is now barred from weaponizing justice against people; I'm not sure the wording of that EO or the reason behind it and wonder if it could get in his way if defendants try to argue that criminal cases brought against them is a form of weaponized "retribution."

Short story is that work is underway to test these pardons and challenge them, certainly Milley who committed an act of treason in conspiring with the Chinese behind the President's back to usurp the POTUS' authority and those connected to the J6 Committee. Nothing was yet said about Biden family pardons, but I thought people here might be interested to know as right now, I've not yet heard anything formally released about this in the media.

ITMT, the picture of General Milley has been taken down off the wall at the Pentagon.

Here is some reading relating to the story:

Do Biden’s preemptive pardons offer a safety valve or set bad precedent?

Joe Biden’s eleventh-hour preemptive pardons for his family and Trump critics are raising further questions about the use of presidential pardons.

www.csmonitor.com

Mark Milley's portrait removed from Pentagon hall

Mark Milley's portrait as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was taken down from the Pentagon hallway where all of the paintings of the previous chairmen are located.

abcnews.go.com

Further cogent information and intelligent comment is invited.

Was thinking one of those thoughts this morning.

Charge them anyway, and make them try to use the pardon as a defense...Then we'll get the legitimacy adjudicated one way or the other.

 

[Cassandro]

The Constitution gives the President the power to issue pardons for offenses committed against the United States. This means that pardons must specify the offenses (crimes) that are being forgiven. Blanket pardons do not meet this requirement. Otherwise, the President could preemptively pardon everyone in the US for violating any federal laws, which would infringe on the legislative authority of Congress.

 

[JoeMoma]

The Constitution gives the President the power to issue pardons for offenses committed against the United States. This means that pardons must specify the offenses (crimes) that are being forgiven. Blanket pardons do not meet this requirement. Otherwise, the President could preemptively pardon everyone in the US for violating any federal laws, which would infringe on the legislative authority of Congress.

I agree with you on that; however, this has not been adjudicated by the courts yet.