Will Saddam’s WMDs Fall into the Hands of Al Qaeda?

[Truthmatters]

he cant post the insides of Lush Limballs atrophied brain

 

[Si modo]

Ok....shithead.

You just move the goalposts to appease your fucked up mind.

You have no clue about the intel we had that showed Saddam digging up and moving stuff around the desert....so shut the fuck up.

Those shells that were found we're over 15 years old. There's no possible way the sarin was still usable.

There were no WMDs in Iraq when bush started concocting reasons to invade.

Calm down, take a deep breath, and stop acting like an asshole.

If there's intel that will prove me wrong then could you post it?

I've already posted the information that proves you wrong. The shells of sarin were quite useable and those weapons were present in Iraq before GWB was even in office.

But, please do not believe me. Look at both of those links I posted.

 

[Truthmatters]

why then does the whiole world disagree with your "evidence"?

 

[GoneBezerk]

Uh.....Colon Powell talked about it at the UNITED NATIONS.

Oh, post "intel" on the internet.....you are an idiot.

Ok....shithead.

You just move the goalposts to appease your fucked up mind.

You have no clue about the intel we had that showed Saddam digging up and moving stuff around the desert....so shut the fuck up.

Those shells that were found we're over 15 years old. There's no possible way the sarin was still usable.

There were no WMDs in Iraq when bush started concocting reasons to invade.

Calm down, take a deep breath, and stop acting like an asshole.

If there's intel that will prove me wrong then could you post it?

 

[freedombecki]

Will Saddam’s WMDs Fall into the Hands of Al Qaeda?​

By: Daniel Greenfield
12-9-2012 |

Probably one of the most despicable lies perpetrated by the Democratic Party was the claim that Saddam Hussein had no WMDs. It was a lie of political convenience by a party whose top politicians had asserted the exact opposite until it became more convenient for them to jump on a new bandwagon.

After all that there would be a certain historical irony if Saddam’s WMDs were indeed finally found, but by Islamist terrorists into whose hands they fell after almost a decade of liberal political malfeasance culminating in their irresponsible support for the Sunni side in the Syrian Civil War.

Let’s map what that would look like

1. The Democrats sabotaged the Iraq War by preventing any enforcement action against the Syrian origin of the suicide bombers and terror squads in the early days of the post-war period. Meanwhile Syrian WMDs had been smuggled into Syria.

2. The Democrats took power and then backed an Arab Spring that put Syria into the crosshairs of the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda, exposing the WMDs to those terrorists.

3. Either the terrorists get their hands on the WMDs, in which case the likelihood of them being used on the US or Israel is very high.

4. Alternatively Syria turns them over to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard which ships them to Iran.

But back to the story…

As the regime of Bashar Assad disintegrates, the security of his chemical arsenal is in jeopardy. The No. 2 general in Saddam Hussein’s air force says they were the WMDs we didn’t find in Iraq.

In 2006, former Iraqi general Georges Sada, second in command of the Iraqi Air Force who served under Saddam Hussein before he defected, wrote a comprehensive book, “Saddam’s Secrets.”

It details how the Iraqi Revolutionary Guard moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria in advance of the U.S.-led action to eliminate Hussein’s WMD threat.

As Sada told the New York Sun, two Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted to cargo planes by removing the seats, and special Republican Guard units loaded the planes with chemical weapons materials.

There were 56 flights disguised as a relief effort after a 2002 Syrian dam collapse.

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Will Saddam’s WMDs Fall into the Hands of Al Qaeda?

From your magazine article, I remember hearing reports of this on tv, about our satellites recorded the truck movements into Syria:

There were also truck convoys into Syria. Sada’s comments came more than a month after Israel’s top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam “transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria.”

I wondered why Saddam was taking them to Syria, but the Democrats all but poured water on the report and declared it ridiculous and down the drain, along with their cooperative press that never questions a Democrat lie. By then, the Democrats had made it their agenda to sabotage Republicans so they could be the recipients of campaign cash from the Middle East in order to acquire majorities over the people of America and help the crazed Muslim Bros do to Israel what Hitler failed to do: eradicate them from the face of the map. Daniel Greenfield's article at Front Page Magazine

I hope we do not see people using nuclear weapons on others coming out of the third world countries who wish to make a name for themselves.

 

[Si modo]

why then does the whiole world disagree with your "evidence"?

The "whole world" also thought the earth was flat.

 

[freedombecki]

why then does the whiole world disagree with your "evidence"?

It's nobody's fault you didn't see or hear the reports the rest of the world saw and heard as Saddam's regime was failing, and our satellites picked up evidence that things were being transported out of Iraq and headed toward and even over the Syrian borders.

 

[Paulie]

Can someone from the pro-invasion crowd at least just admit that it was ridiculous to have sold Saddam these weapons in the first place, and that this is the kind of unintended consequences you're forced to deal with when you intervene geopolitically like we do?

 

[Warrior102]

Can someone from the pro-invasion crowd at least just admit that it was ridiculous to have sold Saddam these weapons in the first place, and that this is the kind of unintended consequences you're forced to deal with when you intervene geopolitically like we do?

It was either sell them to him or Iran, like Obama's doing now.
What would your choice have been?

 

[longknife]

For you Libtards who refuse to believe the truth, ASSAD IS ALREADY USING GAS ON THE REBELS!!!!!

And there are hints that he's moving them into Lebanon to use against Israel. What will happen then if he does?

Get your heads out of your arses and pay attention to what is going on. How do you think Assad so quickly built up his military after Desert Storm?

 

[g5000]

That is untrue. There were over 500 shells found post-invasion in Iraq.

500 shells of what?

You guys are funny.

Never really heard this term in general use until Bush coined it when he was running against Gore.

Our national policy toward Iraq has been an travesty since the British and US spooks waltzed Hussien into power in the first place. That was almost as big a farce as the US backing Ahmed Chalabi..

500+ shells of binary sarin. Additional shells of mustard.

It was on the news and discussed in Congress, for those who cared to pay attention.

The term has been around since WW II, by the way.

Here is the part you seem to have conveniently forgotten:

A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions "in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for."

Iraq sarin stockpiles found | News.com.au



Any chemical weapons Saddam may have had will all have been degraded in the ten years since the invasion. This fantasy that Syria has his WMDs is stupid.


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[BlindBoo]

WMDs were found in Iraq post invasion.

As posted previously, what was found did not constitute the WMD programs (you know production facilities, massive stockpiles) the Bush administration tried to legitized the invasion and occupation with.

I'd call 500+ 155mm binary shells of sarin significant. And, yes, laboratories were found, as well.

What a stockpile is and isn't would be in the eye of the beholder. One shell is enough to kill thousands in a very nasty manner and any who don't die would wish they had.

I'm not holding the Bush administration accountable to the eye of just any beholder. Accountable to their words. Of those 500 rounds not one could have been fired.

 

[Paulie]

Can someone from the pro-invasion crowd at least just admit that it was ridiculous to have sold Saddam these weapons in the first place, and that this is the kind of unintended consequences you're forced to deal with when you intervene geopolitically like we do?

It was either sell them to him or Iran, like Obama's doing now.
What would your choice have been?

The point is don't sell them to anyone.

 

[Truthmatters]

"Since 2003, Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent,"

Read more: Iraq sarin stockpiles found | News.com.au

 

[Si modo]

"Since 2003, Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent,"

Read more: Iraq sarin stockpiles found | News.com.au

A newspaper got the facts wrong? How did that happen?

Not degraded, according to open session testimony.

Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq - C-SPAN Video Library

Plus, I am sure the journalist knows all about chemical equilibriums. Right?

 

[Paulie]

Yeah and we KNEW it was degraded, that's why we had no reservations about invading. We knew there would be no chemical weapon threat against us.

Having WMD makes you relevant and respected militarily. Not having WMD makes you a sitting duck.

 

[g5000]

To repeat, the sarin shells that were found in Iraq after the invasion were pre-1991 shells, and were useless as WMDs.


You guys are being very picky on what "facts" you choose to spew to support your nonsensical fantasies. You are committing lies of omission.

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[GoneBezerk]

Why does that matter??? Saddam went off the reservation by invading Kuwait and supporting islamic terrorists attacking Israel. 9-11 changed our outlook at containing scum like him.

You can't make decisions today based on what was done during the Cold War. We supported Saddam probably by mistake against Iran and the Soviets, but at the time it was probably a good move. The USSR could've influenced or invaded Iraq during the 80s just like they did with Afghanistan.

Saddam was the lesser of 2 evils in the 80s in comparision with the Iranian/Soviet alliance. Iran only invaded our Embassy in the 70s....

Can someone from the pro-invasion crowd at least just admit that it was ridiculous to have sold Saddam these weapons in the first place, and that this is the kind of unintended consequences you're forced to deal with when you intervene geopolitically like we do?

 

[Si modo]

To repeat, the sarin shells that were found in Iraq after the invasion were pre-1991 shells, and were useless as WMDs.
....

You can repeat that all you want but the chemistry says otherwise.

 

[freedombecki]

There were no WMD's. People who claim there were have the intellectual capacities of holocaust deniers.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

Oh, yeah. I remember Sandy Berger was the creep who was convicted of stealing items about WOMDs during the Clinton era out of the national archives as recorded by the Bush White House. He was stuffing what he THOUGHT were original documents in his shoes, his shirt, his underwear, etc, and all that was on tape.

What a jerk that apparatchik Sandy Berger was. His disgrace was brought about by that horrible ambitious woman, Hillary Clinton as she was grasping for power with 10 claws and probably still is if she could.

They sure did snow the American people with their filthy lying, cheating obnoxious attempt to get rid of the truth so the American people would be confused.

I'm sure glad that Sandy Berger got the humiliation handed to him that he deserved, except considering how many times he hovered around the National Archives, I'm pretty sure he thought he was pulling a big fast one, and the press helped by "failing to report" about Berger's lost legal battle and ultimate humiliation for damaging Republican's reputations by squealing how President Bush lied, when all the lies were coming from the Clintons and pushed hard by the leftist lockstepping press.