Will Republicans shut down the Government over Planned Parenthood?

[Immanuel]

Reid lies
There are only two "riders" in this budget stopgap. The first prevents federal funds from being used to build a detention center on U.S. soil for Guantanamo detainees or for bringing those detainees to the United States. But Reid didn't say anything about that rider in his remarks.

Instead, Reid said that "the two main issues that are holding this matter are up the choice of women, reproductive rights, and clean air. These matters have no place on a budget bill." By clean air, he means the amendment to keep the EPA from regulating carbon dioxide emissions. That rider is not included in House Republicans' bill....

So that seems to be the sticking point--the reason Reid won't vote for this budget or won't allow a vote. To be clear: We're not talking about prohibiting funds for contraception from being used to subsidize abortion providers (i.e. the Pence amendment on Planned Parenthood). We're talking about direct taxpayer-funding of abortion....

This policy, known as the Dornan amendment, has previously enjoyed bipartisan support: Indeed, Reid, Biden, Pelosi, and Obama have all voted for appropriations bills that included the Dornan amendment. President Obama signed the Dornan amendment into law in the fiscal year 2009 budget.

Restoring the Dornan amendment ensures that no congressionally appropriated funds (whether locally or federally generated) may pay for abortion in the District of Columbia. It's already been done. But the teepees still want ALL of Planned Parenhood defunded.

And by the way, initially there were over 60 policy "riders" the teepees demanded in the CRs that have subsequently been worked through. The Planned Parenthood one is the only one remaining, and the CR with that in it will not pass the Senate. So shut it down and let the fools quibbling over a an issue which DOES NOT BELONG in an emergency resolution suffer the consequences. Bring it on.

Every dime of taxpayer money that goes to PP is another dime they can reallocate from somewhere else to use for abortion purposes.

Immie

 

[Anachronism]

You are negotiating from a minority position

The guy with the gun and the willingness to use it is NEVER in a minority position, rw.

Cool....Can you add me too?

Sorry, I don't do requests. You're gonna have to earn your way onto it, just like everyone else.

 

[bripat9643]

Conversely, will the Democrats?

Only Obama can order a government shutdown.

 

[rightwinger]

Reid lies
There are only two "riders" in this budget stopgap. The first prevents federal funds from being used to build a detention center on U.S. soil for Guantanamo detainees or for bringing those detainees to the United States. But Reid didn't say anything about that rider in his remarks.

Instead, Reid said that "the two main issues that are holding this matter are up the choice of women, reproductive rights, and clean air. These matters have no place on a budget bill." By clean air, he means the amendment to keep the EPA from regulating carbon dioxide emissions. That rider is not included in House Republicans' bill....

So that seems to be the sticking point--the reason Reid won't vote for this budget or won't allow a vote. To be clear: We're not talking about prohibiting funds for contraception from being used to subsidize abortion providers (i.e. the Pence amendment on Planned Parenthood). We're talking about direct taxpayer-funding of abortion....

This policy, known as the Dornan amendment, has previously enjoyed bipartisan support: Indeed, Reid, Biden, Pelosi, and Obama have all voted for appropriations bills that included the Dornan amendment. President Obama signed the Dornan amendment into law in the fiscal year 2009 budget.

Restoring the Dornan amendment ensures that no congressionally appropriated funds (whether locally or federally generated) may pay for abortion in the District of Columbia. It's already been done. But the teepees still want ALL of Planned Parenhood defunded.

And by the way, initially there were over 60 policy "riders" the teepees demanded in the CRs that have subsequently been worked through. The Planned Parenthood one is the only one remaining, and the CR with that in it will not pass the Senate. So shut it down and let the fools quibbling over a an issue which DOES NOT BELONG in an emergency resolution suffer the consequences. Bring it on.

Every dime of taxpayer money that goes to PP is another dime they can reallocate from somewhere else to use for abortion purposes.

Immie

As you take money away from birth control services, you increase the need for abortions

Cutting off your nose to spite your face

 

[Immanuel]

Conversely, will the Democrats?

You beat me to it. I was going to mention that very thing. It seems to me that the Democrats are willing to shut down the government over these very issues. Neither side is willing to compromise so why not just point the finger (middle one in this case) at the other side and say, "It is their fault!".

Immie

No sane lawmaker is going to allow "abortion" to dictate the fate of the United States government, plain and simple. Governing is not a game where you see how far you can push the limit before NOT getting your way.

What's funny is the Republicans now appear shocked that Democrats are just saying NO. Karma's a bitch.

Reid sane?

Boehner sane?

Bachmann sane?

Pelosi sane?

Are you serious?

Immie

 

[rightwinger]

You are negotiating from a minority position

The guy with the gun and the willingness to use it is NEVER in a minority position, rw.

Cool....Can you add me too?

Sorry, I don't do requests. You're gonna have to earn your way onto it, just like everyone else.

Thats it!

Consider yourself to be on my pwned belt

 

[Avatar4321]

Yes, Social Engineering is important enough for the Republicans to Shut Down the Government. The GOP cannot say NO! to Batcrazy Bachmann and her clann. Therefore, the riders will stay and the Government will come down.

1995 all over again...

Social engineering? How is it social engineering to let nature take it's course?

Social engineering is encouraging "less desirables" to abort their children. Ensuring that only the "pure" and "good" people continue to live on.

 

[theHawk]

Will Republicans shut down the government over Planned Parenthood? - The Week

Another night of budget talks failed to produce a deal acceptable to President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). Reid said that money isn't the holdup, but rather the GOP's "line in the sand" over its hundreds of policy amendments, especially those to defund Planned Parenthood and curb EPA enforcement. Such big policy issues "have no place on a budget bill," Reid said. Could the government really shut down over Planned Parenthood?

It is because of abortion and planned parenthood. Repubs believe government shouldn't have anything to do with it so they don't want to waste tax dollars there. But the Hussein and Reid want the government knee deep in people's personal lives, in short, they want tax dollars to push their pro-abortion agenda. That is 100 times more important than paying troops.

 

[Big Fitz]

I do believe the question more accurately is "Is P-BO willing to shut down the government and not pay the military over making sure abortions are paid for in DC?"

 

[Granny]

The Government Shutdown is About Abortion and Pollution | Death and Taxes

Leaving aside the fact that abortion is a medical procedure performed by medical professionals and should therefore enjoy the same federal dollars our government has deemed wise to spend on public health, to shut down the government over the chump change Washington spends on the procedure is nothing short of ludicrous. The government’s relationship with abortion, as well as its relation with the environment, are conversations that are absolutely worthwhile—so worthwhile that they require completely separate debates. Attempting action on these issues in the context of a budget debate, prompting gridlock (which Republicans had to know would happen) and endangering the livelihood of nearly one million government employees in addition to freezing public services, is profoundly irresponsible.

As far as abortion being a medical procedure performed by medical professionals goes, it falls under the category of "elective surgery" - it doesn't HAVE to be performed - it's chosen to be performed. Please don't tell me taxpayers should have to start funding face lifts, boob jobs, tummy tucks and butt lifts. A little self respect, consideration of the consequences of indiscriminate unprotected sex and it's "pleasures of the moment," no governmental "rewards" for bad behavior by way of increases of welfare handouts for each new child should go a long way in resolving some of the issues.

 

[JWBooth]

No sane lawmaker is going to allow "abortion" to dictate the fate of the United States government, plain and simple.

Sanity has nothing to do with any of this, playing to constituencies is what it is all about.

Governing is not a game where you see how far you can push the limit before NOT getting your way.

Since when? Perhaps not in a political science textbook, but in the real world its the game with the highest table stakes there are. Trillions of dollars and a world wide empire with the highest priced legions in history.

What's funny is the Republicans now appear shocked that Democrats are just saying NO. Karma's a bitch.

Maybe, only time will tell.

A pox on both their houses.

 

[Immanuel]

Restoring the Dornan amendment ensures that no congressionally appropriated funds (whether locally or federally generated) may pay for abortion in the District of Columbia. It's already been done. But the teepees still want ALL of Planned Parenhood defunded.

And by the way, initially there were over 60 policy "riders" the teepees demanded in the CRs that have subsequently been worked through. The Planned Parenthood one is the only one remaining, and the CR with that in it will not pass the Senate. So shut it down and let the fools quibbling over a an issue which DOES NOT BELONG in an emergency resolution suffer the consequences. Bring it on.

Every dime of taxpayer money that goes to PP is another dime they can reallocate from somewhere else to use for abortion purposes.

Immie

As you take money away from birth control services, you increase the need for abortions

Cutting off your nose to spite your face

Let PP get its own funding like the rest of the business world has to do. After all, abortion is a business. You simply want us to keep funding abortion with some kind of an emotional plea that if we don't fund abortions there will be more abortions.

What kind of left wing garbage is that?

Immie

 

[WillowTree]

Every dime of taxpayer money that goes to PP is another dime they can reallocate from somewhere else to use for abortion purposes.

Immie

As you take money away from birth control services, you increase the need for abortions

Cutting off your nose to spite your face

Let PP get its own funding like the rest of the business world has to do. After all, abortion is a business. You simply want us to keep funding abortion with some kind of an emotional plea that if we don't fund abortions there will be more abortions.

What kind of left wing garbage is that?

Immie

All the left wing has is garbage in and garbage out. hence their insatiable need for abortions.

 

[Anachronism]

Thats it!

Consider yourself to be on my pwned belt

Whatever. I'm sure that might mean something to me if I gave a damn about anyone other than myself.

 

[RDD_1210]

Thats it!

Consider yourself to be on my pwned belt

Whatever. I'm sure that might mean something to me if I gave a damn about anyone other than myself.

Is it any wonder that you're still a virgin and living at home?

 

[Trajan]

Will Republicans shut down the Government over Planned Parenthood?

shoe on the wrong foot ole boy, will obama and harry allow the ogv. so be shut down so as to fund an agency that cleared a profit?

 

[rightwinger]

Every dime of taxpayer money that goes to PP is another dime they can reallocate from somewhere else to use for abortion purposes.

Immie

As you take money away from birth control services, you increase the need for abortions

Cutting off your nose to spite your face

Let PP get its own funding like the rest of the business world has to do. After all, abortion is a business. You simply want us to keep funding abortion with some kind of an emotional plea that if we don't fund abortions there will be more abortions.

What kind of left wing garbage is that?

Immie

Where does the federal Government currently fund abortions?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Many of us told you GOP Hacks that they would cost you the Senate, and they did. Now they will cost you the WH in 2012.

That would be GREAT.... then maybe we can get people mobilized for what it will REALLY take to TRULY implement change in this country..... REVOLUTION.

You gonna lead that great revolt from your mommy's basement?

 

[rightwinger]

The Republicans do not hold all the cards
The Democrats do not hold all the cards

A rational person would sit down and spell out the three most important things to save and the three most important things to cut. You sit down and negotiate "I'll give you this if you will give me that"

The TeaTards want to take all the cards and go home

 

[JWBooth]

Many of us told you GOP Hacks that they would cost you the Senate, and they did. Now they will cost you the WH in 2012.

That would be GREAT.... then maybe we can get people mobilized for what it will REALLY take to TRULY implement change in this country..... REVOLUTION.

You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright, alright

You say you got a real solution
Well you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're doing what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright, alright,
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah

You say you'll change the constitution
Well you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow