Why would conservatives vote for DeSantis?

Those "good old days" when conservatives ruled the roost are long gone.
To win a majority these days you need to win indys.
The squishy middle of suburbanites and soccer moms are not the hard asses of long ago.

Dubya got re-elected, by 270 votes, but he got re-elected. IMHO "populism" is the best policy for the GOP going forward.
He got re-elected because people WILL NOT change horses in the middle of the stream and he painted himself as a wartime president, just like I expect Biden to do as soon as he can throw our troops into the Ukraine ----

Bush Jr. was a total failure in that war all along, however. He and the two people who actually ran the government and the war, Cheney and Rumsfeld.
 
I am a Democrat. I also wanted Trump to win the 2016 Republican primary. This was not because I thought he would be easy for Saunders or Clinton to defeat. It was because he seemed to care about those who had been left behind by the economy of the twenty-first century. Someone described Trump as "a third party candidate running as a Republican."

On of the first things Trump did was to cut taxes for the rich. When he did that I realized that he was governing from the Reagan playbook: he appeals to the social concerns of lower middle class whites and working class whites in order to get the power to make the rich richer.

I had earlier forgiven Trump's graphic flaws of personality, intellect, and character. When Trump cut taxes for the rich I stopped forgiving them.
You're obviously just a liberal masquerading as a conservative.
 
DeSantis is a fake republican aka Fascist Libertarian who pushes way more big government. Their "limited Gov't" is political campaign BS. Nothing small or limited about a fascist government.
You're obviously a lying leftwinger.

Who do you think you're fooling?
 
Well that explains the rightwing indoctrination coming into red state schools. They want our children.

Like their ideological predecessors, they encourage people spy on and report on their neighbors.
The left is doing all the spying on people these days.
 
You're obviously just a liberal masquerading as a conservative.
I am pessimistic about human nature and human potential. I think there is often wisdom in tradition. Nevertheless, to the extent that I am a conservative, I am without any concern for the well being of the rich. I want rich people and corporations to be heavily taxed.
 
I am a Democrat. I also wanted Trump to win the 2016 Republican primary. This was not because I thought he would be easy for Saunders or Clinton to defeat. It was because he seemed to care about those who had been left behind by the economy of the twenty-first century. Someone described Trump as "a third party candidate running as a Republican."

On of the first things Trump did was to cut taxes for the rich. When he did that I realized that he was governing from the Reagan playbook: he appeals to the social concerns of lower middle class whites and working class whites in order to get the power to make the rich richer.

I had earlier forgiven Trump's graphic flaws of personality, intellect, and character. When Trump cut taxes for the rich I stopped forgiving them.

What share of the tax cuts went to the rich and the poor? The richest 1 percent received 9.3 percent of the total tax cuts, the top 5 percent got 26.5 percent, the top quintile received 52.2 percent and the bottom quintile got 3.3 percent.

So, the rich received the lion’s share of the tax cut. But they also pay the lion’s share of taxes. The top 1 percent pay 30.2 percent, the top 5 percent pay 51.1 percent, the top quintile pays 80.1 percent and the bottom quintile pays negative 9.0 percent.

Hence, TCJA was progressive as conventionally defined. The rich received less than a proportionate share of TCJA’s total tax cut. The very poor benefited even though they pay negative net taxes.



Being a democrat, you would of course demonize everything Trump did and somethings that he didn't. How do you give a tax cut to the bottom half of income earners that don't pay taxes in the 1st place? And what most democrats ignore is that even though Trump did cut taxes for the rich, THEY PAID MORE IN TAXES. Revenue from income taxes from them went up, but the democrats bitch about it. How does anyone not understand that when you lower tax rates you incentivize more investments that results in greater econoomic growth?
 
What share of the tax cuts went to the rich and the poor? The richest 1 percent received 9.3 percent of the total tax cuts, the top 5 percent got 26.5 percent, the top quintile received 52.2 percent and the bottom quintile got 3.3 percent.

So, the rich received the lion’s share of the tax cut. But they also pay the lion’s share of taxes. The top 1 percent pay 30.2 percent, the top 5 percent pay 51.1 percent, the top quintile pays 80.1 percent and the bottom quintile pays negative 9.0 percent.

Hence, TCJA was progressive as conventionally defined. The rich received less than a proportionate share of TCJA’s total tax cut. The very poor benefited even though they pay negative net taxes.



Being a democrat, you would of course demonize everything Trump did and somethings that he didn't. How do you give a tax cut to the bottom half of income earners that don't pay taxes in the 1st place? And what most democrats ignore is that even though Trump did cut taxes for the rich, THEY PAID MORE IN TAXES. Revenue from income taxes from them went up, but the democrats bitch about it. How does anyone not understand that when you lower tax rates you incentivize more investments that results in greater econoomic growth?
What happened to the Republican concern for balanced budgets? Whenever Republicans have the power to do so they cut taxes for the rich. Ronald blithering Reagan cut the top tax rate from 70% to 28%. Consequently the national debt increased from $908 billion in 1980 to $2,602 billion in 1988.

 
What happened to the Republican concern for balanced budgets? Whenever Republicans have the power to do so they cut taxes for the rich. Ronald blithering Reagan cut the top tax rate from 70% to 28%. Consequently the national debt increased from $908 billion in 1980 to $2,602 billion in 1988.

If you believe the increase in the national debt during Reagan's time in office was due to his tax cuts then you are sadly mistaken.


“It is undeniable that the sharp reduction in taxes in the early 1980s was a strong impetus to economic growth.” – President Bill Clinton’s Council of Economic Advisers, 1994

Growth. Sure. Whatever.

But what about the deficits? All that tax cutting created huge budget gaps, right? That’s the liberal rap against President Ronald Reagan’s tax cuts. And, indeed, annual budget deficits averaged $167 billion a year, or 4.2% of GDP, during Reagan’s two terms vs. $57 billion a year, or 2.4% of GDP, during Jimmy Carter’s single term.

Supporters of Reaganomics point to the drop in revenue caused by the 1981-82 recession as one cause of the shortfalls. Another was the 30% increase in U.S. defense spending — which seems to have been a pretty good investment given the subsequent demise of the Soviet Union and accompanying budgetary “peace dividend.”

But you can also “blame” Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker and his successful crusade against inflation, argues Bruce Bartlett in The New American Economy. The New York Times economics writer and former Reagan administration official writes that the plunge in inflation from 13% in 1980 to 4% in 1982 collapsed the tax base since taxes are assessed on nominal incomes each year, not inflation-adjusted incomes

Inflation fell faster than anyone expected, so nominal incomes and revenue came in way lower than anyone expected. (The Reagan administration expected a GNP deflator of 36% between 1981 and 1986. Instead, it was 21%.) The Carter administration’s last budget predicted 12.6% inflation in 1981 and 9.6% inflation in 1982. It also predicted each percentage point decline in inflation below its forecasts would reduce tax revenue by $11 billion. Inflation actually came in at 8.9% in 1981 and 3.8% in 1982, suggesting the inflation drop increased the deficits those years by 50%.

Of course, the larger deficits were a tolerable side effect of the successful war on inflation. And Bartlett says the Reagan tax cuts helped provide growth to offset the Volcker monetary tightening. Economists had thought it would take another Great Depression to sharply lower inflation.

Then there's this: In 1980 federal spending was $590 billion and in 1989 it was $1.14 trillion; you don’t get Reagan tax cuts without Tip O’Neill spending cuts. Except the democrats didn't cut spending. It was not a revenue problem that lead to the deficits in the 80s, it was overspending. The same thing as today, and I blame the GOP for that as well as the democrats. Both sides were guilty.
 
People voted for the child obsessed Joe Biden so there's no accounting for political taste.

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This is normal to you? Of course you won't respond to your Democrat leader's clear child obsessiveness.

Serious question.

However you won't respond to this and imo... this thread was just created for you to vent against conservatives who have taken the social & cultural fight up after giving it to the left for a generation they completely f'd up.

DeSantis has done more than any other candidate or recent president to increase the power of the state over individual rights and no one seems to care. Is conservative ideology changed in terms of using the state to enforce it’s desired social outcome?

State power. Get that into you. :thup:
 
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He got re-elected because people WILL NOT change horses in the middle of the stream and he painted himself as a wartime president, just like I expect Biden to do as soon as he can throw our troops into the Ukraine ---- Bush Jr. was a total failure in that war all along, however. He and the two people who actually ran the government and the war, Cheney and Rumsfeld.
1. A 270 vote win says that he wasn't very popular

2. Biden won't throw US troops into Ukraine. He's stupid, but not that stupid. Or unless NATO admits Ukraine first and the US is part of a NATO "peacekeeping" contingent.

3. Dubya did great, he finished the job. Cheney and Rumsfeld were the old pro's.
 
As long as it is their ideology…they don’t care

AR-15 forum banned me, so thought I've give this place another try. They also banned me awhile back, so I only read it. But figured you need someone to set you straight.

Bub, you are right reps vote for reps and damned the pos politician. That is why we vote for conman Trump over a filthy dem. And it is the, same with dems. They vote dem no matter how crazy the ideas. The sick dem pos. That is how Fetterman got in.

What is the other choice? Vote for a filthy dem?

Here Bub, look at your base...

A big chunk of the Dem's base is composed of misfits, lowlife, anarchists and the mentally ill...

Communists

Socialists

Fascists

Homosexuals

Satanists

Immigrants

Illegal Aliens

Transgender

Young Delusional People

Pedophiles

Crazed Women

Dope Lovers

Gun haters

Abortionists

Welfare Lovers

Medicare for all hopefuls

Atheists

Blacks

Muslims

Artists

Hollywood - Entertainers - Musicians

Outcasts

Globalists

Open Border Proponents

Antifa

Mentally ill white people that despise whites and cheer for their extinction.

Radicals

Felons

BLM

Prostitutes / Sex Workers

Anarchists / Insurgents

Bigots and Racists - the definition of a bigot is the textbook definition of a democrat...a bigot is a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Peace Activists - What is wrong with peace? Nothing, as long as we live in a fantasy world. In the real world when peace activists won't fight when the time comes to defend the country...the country will d

Now, looky here, Bub...

Reddit r/Collapse had a political leanings poll. Look where conservatives are in the poll with the young people.

Here are the results on 2.26.23

7.8k votes cast

1.2k Liberal
349 Conservative
588 Libertarian
3.4k Socialist
840 Moderate
1.4k Anarchist

That is our future, Bub. Unless we separate into 2 union of states.


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People voted for the child obsessed Joe Biden so there's no accounting for political taste.

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This is normal to you? Of course you won't respond to your Democrat leader's clear child obsessiveness.



However you won't respond to this and imo... this thread was just created for you to vent against conservatives who have taken the social & cultural fight up after giving it to the left for a generation they completely f'd up.



State power. Get that into you. :thup:

Bub, you need to read Reddit. They vote for ideology and not the person. Same as us reps. Dems just know reps are not for them.

Reddit banned me, right away, but I read it to keep up with my enemies.

Here...get into the mind of the sick pos dems.

r/AntifascistsofReddit r/liberalgunowners r/SocialistRA r/collapse
r/Anarchism
r/communism
https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/
https://www.reddit.com/r/leftistvexillology/
 
Idiot dem kids and idiot oldster dems. Why on earth, as a conservative, would I knowingly vote to transgenderize America, confiscate the guns, bankrupt the economy, dope up everyone, groom the kids for the pedos and turn America into Mehico ASAP??

Are you dem idiots that dumb?

I guess you are...for this topic keeps coming up.

Look, Trump is a pos and a lying conman...but Trump is infinitely better than ever voting for a filthy dem. Get that through your heads dem scum.


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1. A 270 vote win says that he wasn't very popular

2. Biden won't throw US troops into Ukraine. He's stupid, but not that stupid. Or unless NATO admits Ukraine first and the US is part of a NATO "peacekeeping" contingent.
You better believe it! That was the only vote I EVER cast for a AAAAAAACcccccck Democrat??? and it had to be Kerry?? I learned after that just not to vote. Okay, full disclosure: I didn't MIND Kerry (don't hate me) because forever ago I actually happened to hear live, on the car radio, him making a speech about having thrown his medals over the White House fence. I was good with that, times being what they were. And Bush: losing, losing, losing, losing --- did I mention he lost the war in Iraq? Anyone DISAGREE???

2. Biden won't throw US troops into Ukraine. He's stupid, but not that stupid. Or unless NATO admits Ukraine first and the US is part of a NATO "peacekeeping" contingent.

People, wake up and smell the coffee? Biden's only chance of winning in 2024 against ANY Republican is by being a wartime pres. EASY to be a wartime pres: just go fight the war FOR the stupid Ukies who can't do nofin! Yeah, he'll do it, and reinstitute conscription, because you KNOW none of these trannies are going to want to fight for Ukraine. And the military canNOT enlist voluntees, not even half of what their goal is. Why not? Because our country is totally lost and deteriorated and fighting is supposed to be left to women and terannies and homos: apparently that's all that's in the Army nowadays so you can see normal men might not be interested any more.
 
You better believe it! That was the only vote I EVER cast for a Democrat??? and it had to be Kerry?? I learned after that just not to vote. Okay, full disclosure: I didn't MIND Kerry (don't hate me) because forever ago I actually happened to hear live, on the car radio, him making a speech about having thrown his medals over the White House fence. I was good with that, times being what they were. And Bush: losing, losing, losing, losing --- did I mention he lost the war in Iraq? Anyone DISAGREE???

2. Biden won't throw US troops into Ukraine. He's stupid, but not that stupid. Or unless NATO admits Ukraine first and the US is part of a NATO "peacekeeping" contingent.

People, wake up and smell the coffee? Biden's only chance of winning in 2024 against ANY Republican is by being a wartime pres. EASY to be a wartime pres: just go fight the war FOR the stupid Ukies who can't do nofin! Yeah, he'll do it, and re-institute conscription, because you KNOW none of these trannies are going to want to fight for Ukraine. And the military canNOT enlist volunteers, not even half of what their goal is. Why not? Because our country is totally lost and deteriorated and fighting is supposed to be left to women and trannies and homos: apparently that's all that's in the Army nowadays so you can see normal men might not be interested any more.
1. I'm no Kerry fan, but I have to give the guy credit. He went to VN. I also like his testimony about "who wants to be the last man killed", I think it was the same speech you referenced. I'm not sure why you say we lost the war in Iraq. IMHO Saddam lost, he lost his head. and he lost his slimy larvae sons lost too.

2. WAG THE DOG!! No one will fight for Biden after he cut and ran in AFG. Ukraine is not our fight. Putting any Americans in Ukraine would cost Biden votes, and he doesn't have any to spare, unless you count the "voter fraud" ones.
 
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Supporters of Reaganomics point to the drop in revenue caused by the 1981-82 recession as one cause of the shortfalls. Another was the 30% increase in U.S. defense spending — which seems to have been a pretty good investment given the subsequent demise of the Soviet Union and accompanying budgetary “peace dividend.”
The 1981 - 82 recession was Reagan's recession. Under President Carter there was a shallow, six month recession. Unemployment reached 7.8%. The Reagan recession lasted for sixteen months. Unemployment reached 10.7%. It had not been that high since the Great Depression.

List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia

If it was necessary to raise military spending during the Reagan administration it was necessary to raise taxes to pay for it. It was not necessary, because the United States was at peace. The Soviet Union was losing its war in Afghanistan, and the Soviet Union was imploding from within. Provoking Soviet leaders with an arms race when they felt their country was collapsing was dangerously provocative.

When Jimmy Carter was president an average of 2,600,000 jobs were created every year. Under Reagan that declined to 2,000,000.


During the Carter administration the national debt as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) declined from 34% in 1977 ti 32% in 1980.

During the Reagan administration the national debt as a percentage of GDP rose from 32% in 1981 to 50% in 1988.


Notice that I am composing my own argument, using the internet to document factual assertions. Anyone can find an article on the internet they like, and copy and paste it to a website.
 
Serious question. DeSantis has done more than any other candidate or recent president to increase the power of the state over individual rights and no one seems to care. Is conservative ideology changed in terms of using the state to enforce it’s desired social outcome?
Cause he's cleaned up Florida and has been the most BASED governor in the nation
 
Inflation fell faster than anyone expected, so nominal incomes and revenue came in way lower than anyone expected. (The Reagan administration expected a GNP deflator of 36% between 1981 and 1986. Instead, it was 21%.) The Carter administration’s last budget predicted 12.6% inflation in 1981 and 9.6% inflation in 1982. It also predicted each percentage point decline in inflation below its forecasts would reduce tax revenue by $11 billion. Inflation actually came in at 8.9% in 1981 and 3.8% in 1982, suggesting the inflation drop increased the deficits those years by 50%.

Of course, the larger deficits were a tolerable side effect of the successful war on inflation.

The rise in inflation in 1979 and 1980, and the decline in inflation after 1981 was due to fluctuations in the world price in petroleum, over which nether Carter nor Reagan had much control.

 

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