Why would anyone object to Virginia’s new gun laws?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

YOU CANT INFRINGE ON OUR RIGHTS

That is not what our Constitution says. If you were American you would know our Constitution is more specific about infringement of specific rights and rights themselves. Many Americans don't really fully understand their rights, so Russian trolls certainly should not be expected to understand them..

Huh

Our 2nd Amendment is very specific. It says we have a right to "keep and bear arms". It also mentions ", a well-regulared militia ", hence, the government has authority for implementing rules.

I would also include the Commerce Clause in the constitution.

It's one simple sentence and there are no exceptions for weapons.

The government has the right to regulate commerce. Buying and selling a weapon is commerce.

The Constitution refers to interstate commerce, not within a state.

 

[toobfreak]

Sensible legislation
Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?
Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

These all sound great. But it only takes one gun to murder so one per month won't stop anything. People with no history of crime or violence kill all the time so background checks won't do much. And most all serial shootings happen in gun free zones, so you are just making it easier for the killers.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety.

I agree John and as a person all for gun safety, I think for ABSOLUTE public safety, we should:

• Disarm the populace by force. Send the police in to search for and take every weapon in the country.
• Set a curfew of dusk. No going out at night.
• No public groupings of more than three people.
• Cameras in every home. Microphones on every street corner.
• A chip in you to track you 24/7.
• The immediate arrest of anyone who says anything controversial even to a single person.
• Spies on every block to turn in any neighbors you deem suspicious.
• A quadrupling of the police force.
• A bio chip in every person that can be triggered to explode on command so that the police can punch up anyone's "number" and "terminate" them if deemed necessary.

That ought to do it. With everyone living in absolute fear and helplessness 24/7, that ought to put an end to that pesky public safety problem!

 

[Mac-7]

The NRA interpretation is a fraud:

So well settled was the issue that, speaking on the PBS NewsHour in 1991, the retired Chief Justice Warren Burger described the National Rifle Association’s lobbying in support of an expansive interpretation of the Second Amendment in these terms: “One of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American public by special-interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

I place more importance on the opinion of the Founder who wrote the 2nd Amendment than an unelected judge 200 years later

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

because they violate the Constitution.

That should be enough even for you.

Lets agree...

You should not be allowed to buy gun until you show membership to a 'well regulated militia'....

I presume this Militia will be registered with the Government be it Local, State or Fed... Constitution doesn't say that.

Now if it is well regulated it would have a registry of all the guns in their militia.

So it is up to the Government to up hold the law and make sure the US Citizen is part of Well Regulated Militia and a Well Regulated Militia would register guns... And that is the constitution...

You don't understand the term "well regulated". Look it up, dumbass!

 

[Lysistrata]

You are translating it incorrectly and arming criminals with weak laws.

Dumb ass...murder is already illegal (and is punishable by capital punishment).

Indisputable proof that the left doesn’t get that a criminal is a criminal because they don’t follow the law. God you people are so damn dumb it actually hurts.

And you prefer well armed criminals. I prefer fewer people being shot.

Then stop letting violent criminals out of prison so they can get guns. Laws stop no one.

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Then execute all the killers and child molesters and stop releasing them.

Please provide real-life instances in which killers and child molesters were intentionally released. Who? Where? What states? How often?

 

[progressive hunter]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

because they violate the Constitution.

That should be enough even for you.

Lets agree...

You should not be allowed to buy gun until you show membership to a 'well regulated militia'....

I presume this Militia will be registered with the Government be it Local, State or Fed... Constitution doesn't say that.

Now if it is well regulated it would have a registry of all the guns in their militia.

So it is up to the Government to up hold the law and make sure the US Citizen is part of Well Regulated Militia and a Well Regulated Militia would register guns... And that is the constitution...

sorry that is not the constitution,,,the constitution clearly states that the "right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

any registration is an infringement,,,

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers there are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

/——/ Those who give up liberty for the false sense of security deserve neither. BF

Then why are NRA conventions gun-free zones?

They aren't. Only the address by the President was gun-free.

 

[2aguy]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

because they violate the Constitution.

That should be enough even for you.

Lets agree...

You should not be allowed to buy gun until you show membership to a 'well regulated militia'....

I presume this Militia will be registered with the Government be it Local, State or Fed... Constitution doesn't say that.

Now if it is well regulated it would have a registry of all the guns in their militia.

So it is up to the Government to up hold the law and make sure the US Citizen is part of Well Regulated Militia and a Well Regulated Militia would register guns... And that is the constitution...

Wow...you are a doofus........it is an individual Right.....you dumb ass......not connected to military duty.....as already ruled in the Supreme Court.

 

[2aguy]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

There is nothing wrong with those new weapons laws.

What's wrong is the far right radical extremists. In their mind any weapon safety laws are taking their weapons from them. They're of course lying but if they couldn't lie they wouldn't have anything to say.

They want crazy people and felons to have weapons.

They also, at least the male far right radical extremists, have very small penises and are over compensating for it. Or they feel they have no control of their lives. Throw in a large. helping of paranoia.

They are pathetic people because their actions get a lot of innocent people murdered.

All these laws are legal and in place in many states

Beyond that, they are sensible legislation

Some of them are in my state too. The state legislature won't pass those laws here but we have the ballot initiative here. Anyone can get a petition on an issue and with enough signatures, it gets on the ballot.

The weapons safety laws have mostly been passed by the people at the ballot box here in my state. It shows that the majority of the people don't object to these laws and actually want them.

It's a very small minority who allowed the relaxed weapons laws and the epidemic of shootings in our nation.

If you look at the rally in Virginia this weekend, it was a big crowd. The reality is that most of the people in that crowd don't live in Virginia. They traveled from other states to go to that rally. They don't represent the majority of the people of the state. The majority of the people in Virginia and the nation want these laws. The Supreme Court has already ruled them constitutional. So all the cries from the far right radical extremists are nothing but a pack of lies.

If they have to lie, how valid is their point?

. The majority of the people in Virginia and the nation want these laws.

Well, that certainly explains why so many cities and counties in Viginia have decided to become 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries, doesn't it?

Good....let the local community decide whether they want people packing guns wherever they go

If your community wants to be Dodge City....let them

Yes...just like you to support something like this, like when the democrats decided that Blacks couldn't use the same facilities as whites.....you guys want that to be a local thing to......right?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Since the Second Amendment was written, when firearms were one-shot muskets and the writers of the Constitution suspected that the British would be back, which they were in 1812, we now actually have a formal militia. It is known as the National Guard. I am hoping that no one is attacked in Richmond this afternoon, and that none of the thugs expected to assemble confronts a member of the Virginia Police or the Virginia Guard.

These thugs are costing us millions, MILLIONS, with their gangsterism. My thoughts are with the members of Virginia law enforcement at this time, who put their lives on the line. And who, at least, must be paid as they should be. We already know that people from out of state are heading to the Commonwealth to incite violence. None of those arrested by the FBI were from the Commonwealth, BTW, and one is even an undocumented alien.

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

Look it up and educate yourself.

 

[2aguy]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

There is nothing wrong with those new weapons laws.

What's wrong is the far right radical extremists. In their mind any weapon safety laws are taking their weapons from them. They're of course lying but if they couldn't lie they wouldn't have anything to say.

They want crazy people and felons to have weapons.

They also, at least the male far right radical extremists, have very small penises and are over compensating for it. Or they feel they have no control of their lives. Throw in a large. helping of paranoia.

They are pathetic people because their actions get a lot of innocent people murdered.

All these laws are legal and in place in many states

Beyond that, they are sensible legislation

Some of them are in my state too. The state legislature won't pass those laws here but we have the ballot initiative here. Anyone can get a petition on an issue and with enough signatures, it gets on the ballot.

The weapons safety laws have mostly been passed by the people at the ballot box here in my state. It shows that the majority of the people don't object to these laws and actually want them.

It's a very small minority who allowed the relaxed weapons laws and the epidemic of shootings in our nation.

If you look at the rally in Virginia this weekend, it was a big crowd. The reality is that most of the people in that crowd don't live in Virginia. They traveled from other states to go to that rally. They don't represent the majority of the people of the state. The majority of the people in Virginia and the nation want these laws. The Supreme Court has already ruled them constitutional. So all the cries from the far right radical extremists are nothing but a pack of lies.

If they have to lie, how valid is their point?

. The majority of the people in Virginia and the nation want these laws.

Well, that certainly explains why so many cities and counties in Viginia have decided to become 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries, doesn't it?

Good....let the local community decide whether they want people packing guns wherever they go

If your community wants to be Dodge City....let them

Dodge City wasn't even Dodge City, and as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, and our violent crime rate went down 72%......you have no argument for more gun control....

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns, but now carry them for self defense, our gun murder rate went down 49%...

With what you believe....how do you explain that?

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own but now carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%....

With what you believe,.....how do you explain that?

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns but carry them for self defense, our violent crime rate went down 72%.....

With what you believe, how do you explain that?

Nothing you believe about guns is supported by actual facts, the truth, or reality on the ground......how do you justify your believes beyond simply not liking guns?

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Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

 

[JusticeHammer]

1. A limit of one handgun purchase per month

How does being able to purchase over 12 handguns a month make you safer? Unlimited handgun purchases opens a path to shill purchasers where a legal buyer can buy guns to sell to criminals

Freedom to purchase protected by the second amendment, something you commie scumbags don't understand.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers these are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

So commie libtard of you. Idiot.

 

[JusticeHammer]

2. Universal background checks

Overwhelmingly supported by most Americans. Why don’t we want to keep gun sales away from criminals?

Prove it liar.

 

[JLW]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers these are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

So commie libtard of you. Idiot.

Thank you for proving my point about people who should not be near dangerous objects or guns. Remember if you see a bottle with a skull and cross bones on it, DO NOT DRINK IT.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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Feel free to move to Canada. I have trained their troops for years. Most of them firmly believe in that freedom and leave their country as soon as their tour of duty is over.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers these are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

So commie libtard of you. Idiot.

Thank you for proving my point about people who should not be near dangerous objects or guns. Remember if you see a bottle with a skull and cross bones on it, DO NOT DRINK IT.

Thanks for proving my point. Commie libtard.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

do you think a real delusional killer will heed your advice?...

Probably not
But I don’t want the father who just saw his kid kicked out of a game to go after an umpire with a gun

In that case, you should be carrying a gun to prevent that from happening.

 

[JLW]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers these are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

So commie libtard of you. Idiot.

Thank you for proving my point about people who should not be near dangerous objects or guns. Remember if you see a bottle with a skull and cross bones on it, DO NOT DRINK IT.

Thanks for proving my point. Commie libtard.

Stay away from guns. You'll either shoot your eye out or shoot yourself in the balls.

 

[blackhawk]

How do those make anyone safer from gun violence? You can purchase one hand gun a box of bullets and an extra clip and do a lot of damage. What do universal background checks cover that the current ones don't? Allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas sounds like another way of saying gun free zones criminals don't tend to obey such laws.