Why would an omnipotent God need Moses, Abraham or Mohammed?

[irosie91]

If God has the power to create the universe, there is no need to have humans do his bidding. If God wants people to be Christians or Muslims or any other religion, there wouldn't be any other religion except the one God wanted. But it's not God that makes religion, it's people. If God wants something done, God doesn't need people to do it for him. God doesn't need anyone to speak for him...or her...or them(Genesis 3:22)

An omnipotent being doesn't need a war to end evil. It was created it with a thought, and can end it the same way. But God allows it to do it's purpose, which gives a choice. The function of evil is to destroy, so logically it will destroy itself. Just like if someone becomes evil, they destroy themselves.

Some human beings purify themselves, at which they reach closeness to God and become prophets. They become prophets, or heirs to prophets, or Companions of Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family), or saints of Islam.

End evil? Evil is a counter point for good. Good cannot exist without evil and vice versa. We cannot be good without choosing it over evil.

Good and evil are eternal states of being. They have always existed. How do I know? Because God is Eternal. He is good and He has always existed. If good has always existed, so has its opposite.

The plan of redemption was put in place because all of us do evil at some point. If God were to appear to us in our fallen state we would be destroyed for our corruptness cannot exist in His Holy presence.

So God calls and prepares men to teach us His plan. So that we might prepare ourselves through the atonement of His Son to enter into His presence. We can be purified and born again with a New nature.

If God did things your way, we would all be immediately killed. Personally I am.glad the Lord has mercy on us to give us a probationary period to repent and come to Him

God can be without evil, but He does not wish to. Also, in Islam all, human beings are born innocent. A religion (like Christianity) that claims God created people impure has serious problems.

a religion (like islam) which claims that a girl who puts a bomb on her whorish
ass and murders babies gets a direct ticket to JANNAH -----is DEPRAVED.
BTW how is SAINT HAYAT doing?-------get any messages from SAINT WHORE
WAFA IDRIS from jannah?

the concept of original sin------is an intellectual issue-----try not to ponder upon it---
it is beyond you

and yet they got it all from the Hebrews, their Quran is much like the OT with Talmud thrown in. If you want to talk about mercy killings , we need to go back to WWII, those Polish jews were worth it for Israel , weren't they?

No---actually the christian concept of "original sin" does not come
from Judaism. As to the Koran ----you never read either the "OT"
or the Koran. Your comment is a parroting of idiot propaganda
you read. The Koran is very much NOT LIKE the "OT" and has no
Talmud thrown in other than a single concept which is "rabbinic"
----the concept being that "saving a life is like saving
the whole world" ------it does appear in the Koran and is
attributed to muhummad. Getting back to the Koran----I read it
at about age 19------the biblical stories are "retold" in so distorted
a manner that I thought my copy of the Koran (English translation---
picthall) must be a MISPRINT. I handed it to pakistani surgeon who worked
in the hospital in which I was employed and advised him to notify
the publishing company that they had screwed things up in the
printing------he took a look----read a few pages and said----
"this looks fine" You should avoid commenting on books that you
never read. Your hero, adolf, murdered the jews of Poland------
it has nothing to do with Israel. Relative of yours?

 

[HaShev]

OP said : If God has the power to create the universe, there is no need to have humans do his bidding.

This is the problem when you break the basic tenants of the rules in which guide you through the process.
This mistake in perception is through the forbidden anthropromorphizing of God. The Hebrew 'God' (word used to denote creations power and source in life) is not a figure/form/man, it's intended to be understood as an Essence in life that best describes thst source and power of creation, that being the Essence to be all we could and should be=evolve=to become complete and whole.
That's why the Torah says this Essence we call God is in the name of the holy city as Shalem means completeness and wholeness. Knowing what creation is allows us to determine what is good or bad in line or opposition with creation, without being subjective. So that essence and direction path and purpose in life is hidden within the Holy city's mere name as the city becomes our focus and becon for that very reason. It's therefore the mediators between that nature (God) and man who help reflect that Essence and who manifest that nature to guide us towards it and recognize that which opposes it and fall off course. The prophets are letting us in on human social behavior patterns and how we could and should be as to avoid past mistakes and recognize future emulations.
Men of righteousness are in that Essence helping us to reflect it and manifest it to be best in line with our creation. The stories help us learn and be in that Essence
and our mitzvahs help us become more complete and whole=evolve. Therefore that which has no mouth nor voice, is a nature not a figure being needs spokesmen and its up to you to decide if these spokesmen reflect this Essence or oppose it.
This is why I keep emphasizing that Jesus and Rome which created his image and one world religion were adversary/in opposition to this Essence to evolve.
In thinking they were helping man evolve they ended up hindering mankind all these ages and enslaving them in their web of deceit and control.

 

[irosie91]

sheeeesh hashev----leave those poor Christians alone----my dear friend, Penelope is a
Christian-----catholic, no less but not an easter bunny worshipper----she just does the 'HATE DA JOOOOOOS" part

 

[hangover]

Its the fundamentalist and evangelicals , they may not be using rifle, but they are with their mouths and their propaganda hate speeches and end of days crap.

The fundaMENTALists and evangelicals are the heart and soul of the NRA. "Praise Jesus and pass the bullets."

 

[hangover]

Its the fundamentalist and evangelicals , they may not be using rifle, but they are with their mouths and their propaganda hate speeches and end of days crap.

Your post is not only annoying, idiotic and ungrammatical, it is also off-topic.
The topic is ----the PUTATIVE OMNIPOTENCE OF GOD. Would you like
to comment? Do you "imagine" or "know" if there are people whose
concept of "GOD" is a being OMNIPOTENT?

Well God certainty wouldn't write the books of the OT, so all your scribes are full of it. How is that?

how do you know? you never read it. In fact you even imagine that it was written some time----like a few hundred years BC -----in Alexandria, Egypt-----
in Greek ----or so you claimed (being 'full of it') ------If you had read
the book-----you would have learned that "G-d" as described in those books is
NOT OMNIPOTENT-------In terms of mysticism He gave up some of His
power to living creatures that have freewill-----MOSTLY humans who
have the most freewill. -------even more than do "angels". An interesting point
of the many ancient books of fine literature that you have missed by depending
on classic comics in Junior High School ----IS......that the issue of free-will is a
major theme thruout. Remember "the odyssey"-----that fact is apparent even in
the classic comic version

So that's how Jesus taught you to treat others...how christian of you.

 

[irosie91]

Its the fundamentalist and evangelicals , they may not be using rifle, but they are with their mouths and their propaganda hate speeches and end of days crap.

The fundaMENTALists and evangelicals are the heart and soul of the NRA. "Praise Jesus and pass the bullets."

rugged individualist middle americans who need to shoot the possums
for supper. <<<< it is our culture----sorta. -----sunday church going folk
<<<< it is our culture. -----the basic American person. There is a line
in----uhm-----the little sayings that joooos do------the ones Penelope likes to
interpret in sheer idiocy. In translation it is "a custom is stronger than
a law" Americans have CUSTOMS -----you cannot just legislate them
out of existence.

 

[hangover]

If God has the power to create the universe, there is no need to have humans do his bidding. If God wants people to be Christians or Muslims or any other religion, there wouldn't be any other religion except the one God wanted. But it's not God that makes religion, it's people. If God wants something done, God doesn't need people to do it for him. God doesn't need anyone to speak for him...or her...or them(Genesis 3:22)

An omnipotent being doesn't need a war to end evil. It was created it with a thought, and can end it the same way. But God allows it to do it's purpose, which gives a choice. The function of evil is to destroy, so logically it will destroy itself. Just like if someone becomes evil, they destroy themselves.

End evil? Evil is a counter point for good. Good cannot exist without evil and vice versa. We cannot be good without choosing it over evil.

Good and evil are eternal states of being. They have always existed. How do I know? Because God is Eternal. He is good and He has always existed. If good has always existed, so has its opposite.

The plan of redemption was put in place because all of us do evil at some point. If God were to appear to us in our fallen state we would be destroyed for our corruptness cannot exist in His Holy presence.

So God calls and prepares men to teach us His plan. So that we might prepare ourselves through the atonement of His Son to enter into His presence. We can be purified and born again with a New nature.

If God did things your way, we would all be immediately killed. Personally I am.glad the Lord has mercy on us to give us a probationary period to repent and come to Him

My way? Your way is much worse. Eternal evil....shows who you worship. Revelations must not be in the Mormon bible.

 

[irosie91]

Its the fundamentalist and evangelicals , they may not be using rifle, but they are with their mouths and their propaganda hate speeches and end of days crap.

Your post is not only annoying, idiotic and ungrammatical, it is also off-topic.
The topic is ----the PUTATIVE OMNIPOTENCE OF GOD. Would you like
to comment? Do you "imagine" or "know" if there are people whose
concept of "GOD" is a being OMNIPOTENT?

Well God certainty wouldn't write the books of the OT, so all your scribes are full of it. How is that?

how do you know? you never read it. In fact you even imagine that it was written some time----like a few hundred years BC -----in Alexandria, Egypt-----
in Greek ----or so you claimed (being 'full of it') ------If you had read
the book-----you would have learned that "G-d" as described in those books is
NOT OMNIPOTENT-------In terms of mysticism He gave up some of His
power to living creatures that have freewill-----MOSTLY humans who
have the most freewill. -------even more than do "angels". An interesting point
of the many ancient books of fine literature that you have missed by depending
on classic comics in Junior High School ----IS......that the issue of free-will is a
major theme thruout. Remember "the odyssey"-----that fact is apparent even in
the classic comic version

So that's how Jesus taught you to treat others...how christian of you.

I am not Christian------most of the ethics jesus preached came right off the
pages of HILLEL ----Hillel died in Jerusalem at about the same time
that Jesus was born. He was widely quoted back then. Jesus did not teach me
anything. I did not read the NT until I was about 14

 

[irosie91]

If God has the power to create the universe, there is no need to have humans do his bidding. If God wants people to be Christians or Muslims or any other religion, there wouldn't be any other religion except the one God wanted. But it's not God that makes religion, it's people. If God wants something done, God doesn't need people to do it for him. God doesn't need anyone to speak for him...or her...or them(Genesis 3:22)

An omnipotent being doesn't need a war to end evil. It was created it with a thought, and can end it the same way. But God allows it to do it's purpose, which gives a choice. The function of evil is to destroy, so logically it will destroy itself. Just like if someone becomes evil, they destroy themselves.

End evil? Evil is a counter point for good. Good cannot exist without evil and vice versa. We cannot be good without choosing it over evil.

Good and evil are eternal states of being. They have always existed. How do I know? Because God is Eternal. He is good and He has always existed. If good has always existed, so has its opposite.

The plan of redemption was put in place because all of us do evil at some point. If God were to appear to us in our fallen state we would be destroyed for our corruptness cannot exist in His Holy presence.

So God calls and prepares men to teach us His plan. So that we might prepare ourselves through the atonement of His Son to enter into His presence. We can be purified and born again with a New nature.

If God did things your way, we would all be immediately killed. Personally I am.glad the Lord has mercy on us to give us a probationary period to repent and come to Him

My way? Your way is much worse. Eternal evil....shows who you worship. Revelations must not be in the Mormon bible.

Mormons do not use the NT?

 

[hangover]

If God has the power to create the universe, there is no need to have humans do his bidding. If God wants people to be Christians or Muslims or any other religion, there wouldn't be any other religion except the one God wanted. But it's not God that makes religion, it's people. If God wants something done, God doesn't need people to do it for him. God doesn't need anyone to speak for him...or her...or them(Genesis 3:22)

An omnipotent being doesn't need a war to end evil. It was created it with a thought, and can end it the same way. But God allows it to do it's purpose, which gives a choice. The function of evil is to destroy, so logically it will destroy itself. Just like if someone becomes evil, they destroy themselves.

Some human beings purify themselves, at which they reach closeness to God and become prophets. They become prophets, or heirs to prophets, or Companions of Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family), or saints of Islam.

End evil? Evil is a counter point for good. Good cannot exist without evil and vice versa. We cannot be good without choosing it over evil.

Good and evil are eternal states of being. They have always existed. How do I know? Because God is Eternal. He is good and He has always existed. If good has always existed, so has its opposite.

The plan of redemption was put in place because all of us do evil at some point. If God were to appear to us in our fallen state we would be destroyed for our corruptness cannot exist in His Holy presence.

So God calls and prepares men to teach us His plan. So that we might prepare ourselves through the atonement of His Son to enter into His presence. We can be purified and born again with a New nature.

If God did things your way, we would all be immediately killed. Personally I am.glad the Lord has mercy on us to give us a probationary period to repent and come to Him

God can be without evil, but He does not wish to. Also, in Islam all, human beings are born innocent. A religion (like Christianity) that claims God created people impure has serious problems.

"God can be without evil, but He does not wish to."
So your religion preaches that God is evil....shows who you worship, and explains why Muslims are so violent. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Avatar, I love ya but have to disagree. Good did exist solely in the garden until evil showed up. We have not been given the length of time that Adam and Eve resided in the garden before evil made his appearance, but they walked in the evening with God. Evil was not present at that time, and Adam and Eve had no knowledge of it. There was no counter part for them to distinguish between the two. It wasn't necessary.

Genesis 3:22 The man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil

Prior to eating the forbidden fruit, evil didn't exist concerning mankind and man had no knowledge of it. And it will cease to exist for mankind again when Satan is removed to the lake of fire. Good does not need to rely on evil to exist.

 

[The Irish Ram]

If God has the power to create the universe, there is no need to have humans do his bidding. If God wants people to be Christians or Muslims or any other religion, there wouldn't be any other religion except the one God wanted. But it's not God that makes religion, it's people. If God wants something done, God doesn't need people to do it for him. God doesn't need anyone to speak for him...or her...or them(Genesis 3:22)

An omnipotent being doesn't need a war to end evil. It was created it with a thought, and can end it the same way. But God allows it to do it's purpose, which gives a choice. The function of evil is to destroy, so logically it will destroy itself. Just like if someone becomes evil, they destroy themselves.

End evil? Evil is a counter point for good. Good cannot exist without evil and vice versa. We cannot be good without choosing it over evil.

Good and evil are eternal states of being. They have always existed. How do I know? Because God is Eternal. He is good and He has always existed. If good has always existed, so has its opposite.

The plan of redemption was put in place because all of us do evil at some point. If God were to appear to us in our fallen state we would be destroyed for our corruptness cannot exist in His Holy presence.

So God calls and prepares men to teach us His plan. So that we might prepare ourselves through the atonement of His Son to enter into His presence. We can be purified and born again with a New nature.

If God did things your way, we would all be immediately killed. Personally I am.glad the Lord has mercy on us to give us a probationary period to repent and come to Him

So part of God's plan for His most beloved of creations is to inflict all kinds of evil and pain on them for His own ends?

Said it before, say it again...God works in mysterious, dickish ways.

God's plan for His most beloved was the Garden of Eden. Nothing dickish about it. No death, no sorrow, no pain, no tears.
You have confused the actions of man with the actions of God. Man invited evil into our lives, not God. And even so, God provided a way for us to avoid the consequences of our actions. He became a human and paid the price for us. What more do you require?

 

[Meriweather]

Avatar, I love ya but have to disagree. Good did exist solely in the garden until evil showed up. We have not been given the length of time that Adam and Eve resided in the garden before evil made his appearance, but they walked in the evening with God. Evil was not present at that time, and Adam and Eve had no knowledge of it. There was no counter part for them to distinguish between the two. It wasn't necessary.

Genesis 3:22 The man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil

Prior to eating the forbidden fruit, evil didn't exist concerning mankind and man had no knowledge of it. And it will cease to exist for mankind again when Satan is removed to the lake of fire. Good does not need to rely on evil to exist.

Here is another perspective. There was no knowledge of evil until the two ate of the fruit of the knowledge of both good and evil. Instead of just being able to see everything as good, mankind could now identify the bad (or evil) as well. Everything we look at: Here is the good part of it...and there is the bad part of it. Here is how we can use this for good--and here is how we can use it for evil.

It's just possible that God continued to walk in the garden, but now with their reality being dual knowledge--good and bad--Adam and Eve lost sight of God because He exists only on the dimension of good, whereas our knowledge dimension encompasses both good and evil. Evil (bad) and our wish to have this knowledge/reality blinds us to any reality that only consists of good. It is impossible for us to only see an item with only one side--such a reality no longer exists for us. For us, good without evil would be like having a topside without a bottom side. In this dimension, the one we chose, that isn't possible.

 

[HaShev]

Or better yet man (Adam) was asked to partake of his second brides (Eve=the church) fruit (teachings) that she received from the false prophet (serpent) and fron this mixing of good and evil doctrine as knowledge that mixed both helpful and harmful ideology mankind was no longer able to distinguish which concept and ideology was truly good or truly evil thus tainted it all by mixing it up.
Fact: the church used & mixed mythology of mithras that did walk the garden (ancient Persia) and they mixed paganism,Egyptian mysticsm, mystery religions and mixed it with Torah and transhumanism that is it's ethos.
Look at how they mixed death cultism beliefs if an underworld life in death but also teach resurrection as kingdom back into life. These are 2 opposing ideologies one which is good as it leads to building a better future world, the other evil for it firsakes this world causes chaos and leads people to covet instead of fear and despise death. It's slso used to trick fools into dying for false oromuse of rewards in death.

 

[Avatar4321]

If God has the power to create the universe, there is no need to have humans do his bidding. If God wants people to be Christians or Muslims or any other religion, there wouldn't be any other religion except the one God wanted. But it's not God that makes religion, it's people. If God wants something done, God doesn't need people to do it for him. God doesn't need anyone to speak for him...or her...or them(Genesis 3:22)

An omnipotent being doesn't need a war to end evil. It was created it with a thought, and can end it the same way. But God allows it to do it's purpose, which gives a choice. The function of evil is to destroy, so logically it will destroy itself. Just like if someone becomes evil, they destroy themselves.

End evil? Evil is a counter point for good. Good cannot exist without evil and vice versa. We cannot be good without choosing it over evil.

Good and evil are eternal states of being. They have always existed. How do I know? Because God is Eternal. He is good and He has always existed. If good has always existed, so has its opposite.

The plan of redemption was put in place because all of us do evil at some point. If God were to appear to us in our fallen state we would be destroyed for our corruptness cannot exist in His Holy presence.

So God calls and prepares men to teach us His plan. So that we might prepare ourselves through the atonement of His Son to enter into His presence. We can be purified and born again with a New nature.

If God did things your way, we would all be immediately killed. Personally I am.glad the Lord has mercy on us to give us a probationary period to repent and come to Him

So part of God's plan for His most beloved of creations is to inflict all kinds of evil and pain on them for His own ends?

Said it before, say it again...God works in mysterious, dickish ways.

Does a a personal trainer inflict evil and pain on people for his own end?

 

[Avatar4321]

If God has the power to create the universe, there is no need to have humans do his bidding. If God wants people to be Christians or Muslims or any other religion, there wouldn't be any other religion except the one God wanted. But it's not God that makes religion, it's people. If God wants something done, God doesn't need people to do it for him. God doesn't need anyone to speak for him...or her...or them(Genesis 3:22)

An omnipotent being doesn't need a war to end evil. It was created it with a thought, and can end it the same way. But God allows it to do it's purpose, which gives a choice. The function of evil is to destroy, so logically it will destroy itself. Just like if someone becomes evil, they destroy themselves.

End evil? Evil is a counter point for good. Good cannot exist without evil and vice versa. We cannot be good without choosing it over evil.

Good and evil are eternal states of being. They have always existed. How do I know? Because God is Eternal. He is good and He has always existed. If good has always existed, so has its opposite.

The plan of redemption was put in place because all of us do evil at some point. If God were to appear to us in our fallen state we would be destroyed for our corruptness cannot exist in His Holy presence.

So God calls and prepares men to teach us His plan. So that we might prepare ourselves through the atonement of His Son to enter into His presence. We can be purified and born again with a New nature.

If God did things your way, we would all be immediately killed. Personally I am.glad the Lord has mercy on us to give us a probationary period to repent and come to Him

My way? Your way is much worse. Eternal evil....shows who you worship. Revelations must not be in the Mormon bible.

So you thing evil was created ?

How is my way worse? It's not my way. It's just reality. God is good. God is Eternal. Good is Eternal.

Good and evil can only be defined with the existence of the other.there is opposition in all things. Ergo, Evil has always existed because good ways has.

Revelations isn't in any bible and isn't relevant to the topic

 

[Avatar4321]

Avatar, I love ya but have to disagree. Good did exist solely in the garden until evil showed up. We have not been given the length of time that Adam and Eve resided in the garden before evil made his appearance, but they walked in the evening with God. Evil was not present at that time, and Adam and Eve had no knowledge of it. There was no counter part for them to distinguish between the two. It wasn't necessary.

Genesis 3:22 The man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil

Prior to eating the forbidden fruit, evil didn't exist concerning mankind and man had no knowledge of it. And it will cease to exist for mankind again when Satan is removed to the lake of fire. Good does not need to rely on evil to exist.

God knew of evil. He said it in the quote you provided. Man just learned of it when he ate the fruit. We became as the gods who knew the difference

 

[The Irish Ram]

And yet God existed before evil. Good existed without bad. Adam and Eve knew the top half without the bottom half until Eve succumbed to temptation. There is a time coming when evil will be removed forever. Are you saying that good will not be able to exist once Satan is removed? That the top half can't survive without the bottom half? If that is correct, then Satan should never be removed, and yet He is going to be.
And good will indeed succeed without evil. Evil will no longer exist and the damage it causes will go with it. Health without disease. Laughter without tears, life without death. Good without evil. If God felt we needed evil to determine what is good, He would have introduced Adam and Eve to Satan as soon as they were created. He did not. Nor will He introduce it to the humanity that lives after the White Throne Judgment. Good is even better without the bottom half.

 

[Meriweather]

God knew of evil. He said it in the quote you provided. Man just learned of it when he ate the fruit. We became as the gods who knew the difference

I think it may be Isaiah where God says He's responsible for both the good and evil. Where we are not like God is that often we do not know how to create good out of bad--and God does. Ironically, we humans also seem to have a talent for putting what is good to evil/bad use.

We're still learning how to use the knowledge we were given. Paradoxically, when we fully learn how to use knowledge of good and evil to create only good, we will be back to where we were before we chose to see the bad/evil as well the good.

 

[Meriweather]

And yet God existed before evil. Good existed without bad. Adam and Eve knew the top half without the bottom half until Eve succumbed to temptation. There is a time coming when evil will be removed forever. Are you saying that good will not be able to exist once Satan is removed? That the top half can't survive without the bottom half? If that is correct, then Satan should never be removed, and yet He is going to be.
And good will indeed succeed without evil. Evil will no longer exist and the damage it causes will go with it. Health without disease. Laughter without tears, life without death. Good without evil. If God felt we needed evil to determine what is good, He would have introduced Adam and Eve to Satan as soon as they were created. He did not. Nor will He introduce it to the humanity that lives after the White Throne Judgment. Good is even better without the bottom half.

I agree. Seeing bad/evil without seeing the good that unfolds from it is the lesser knowledge. Somehow we have convinced ourselves that knowing good and evil is somehow twice as good as only knowing good. In fact, we seem to be more ignorant with the knowledge of both.