Why We Have the Death Pentalty.

[HikerGuy83]

It's entirely in people's interest to try to improve the level of human rights around the world.

I've posted several cases where people have been seen or have admitted (and the evidence backs them up) committing murder.

You and the rest of the criers look right past them and the human rights that were violated in those actions.

It's great you live in a one sided world.

Get on a boat and go there.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Thing is, the majority of Americans seem to favour the death penalty...but slowly that number is falling as people become aware of its sickening horror and the possibilty of the killing by the state of innocent people.

Uh, no it's not.

Liar.

 

[bambu.]

The Death Penalty serves two purposes. The first is that some crimes are so heinous that they can't be compensated by fines and/or incarceration (e.g., murder). The second purpose is to use it as a bargaining chip for a plea deal. This not only avoids the costs of trials and appeals, it can be used to get more information on the perpetrator's crimes.

Serial killer BTK was sentenced to life without parole.
So he's locked up in a prison cell, slowly dying, no freedom ever.
He'll die eventually of natural causes, no one forced to commit the killing of him.
USA is no worse off because a death chamber wasn't used.
No worse off that the 6th Commandment was obeyed.

 

[bambu.]

ADDRESS THE SECOND CASE YOU EVADING POS.

I already said the first shouldn't be there. That it is...is a problem that needs to be fixed.

That does not take away from those who should face the noose.

Stop convicting people of burglary then too.

Or child molestation. You can never absolutely prove 100% it was them. Address that.

To provide you with a link to Sabrina Butler's case I need to use our desktop computer.
To do that I have to wait until mrs bambu isn't using it.
That should happen in about an hour from now.

 

[bambu.]

Uh, no it's not.

Liar.

Death penalty is slowly being basically abolished in America, one state at a time.

 

[bambu.]

Uh, no it's not.

Liar.

Death penalty is slowly being basically abolished in America, one state at a time.

Proof, no lies.

For the first time, more Americans believe death penalty is applied unfairly, report finds

“That shows the death penalty is again becoming increasingly isolated in its use in the United States,” Maher said.

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AI Overview

While the death penalty is not being fully abolished in the United States, its use is becoming increasingly limited and facing growing opposition. More states have abolished the death penalty or have moratoriums in place, and the number of executions and death sentences has been declining.

• Reasons for Decline:
  Several factors contribute to this trend, including growing concerns about wrongful convictions, racial disparities in sentencing, the high cost of maintaining the death penalty, and ethical concerns about its morality.

 

[bambu.]

ADDRESS THE SECOND CASE YOU EVADING POS.

I already said the first shouldn't be there. That it is...is a problem that needs to be fixed.

That does not take away from those who should face the noose.

Stop convicting people of burglary then too.

Or child molestation. You can never absolutely prove 100% it was them. Address that.

Sabrina Butler

Sabrina Butler-Smith — Martin Schoeller

• ”I'm a soldier and I'm going to do exactly what it takes. …because if it happened to me, it could happen to you, it could happen to anyone. But kids are more vulnerable… a lot of children get mixed up…they really don't understand that whatever you say can be used against you. I want to change the law because, you know, I was a child when this happened to me.”

• Hey bambu,
  
  What about this one. You O.K. with this guy getting 50 years for this ?
  
  

  MSN

  
  Jemaine Thomas, 45, was sentenced on Wednesday to 50 years in prison for murdering young Troy Koehler in the summer of 2022, the Harris County District Attorney's Office announced. Court records show Thomas pleaded guilty to the charge of murder before accepting the sentence.
  
  They found his body stuffed in a washing machine.
  
  Death Penalty for sure. What is wrong with these people.

  
  
• No death penalty.
• 50 years, he'd be 95 then. Most likely no longer alive.
• Court must've thought the sentence adequate.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Human rights, innocence, rights etc are everyone's business, no matter the global location.

"Almost certain"?
Proof is almost certain?
When killing convicteds in death chambers, guilt needs to be absolute.
100% absolute.
Anything less is totally wrong.
That can never be proven in all your death penalty cases, obviously.
So therefore the system is a failed one.

The system works. Keep to your own country with your unsolicited commentary. Your country's history of being settled by criminals should suffice to keep you busy.

 

[bambu.]

The system works. Keep to your own country with your unsolicited commentary. Your country's history of being settled by criminals should suffice to keep you busy.

The First Fleet ... convicts, some free settlers, military etc, to start a new colony in Australia arrived in Sydney Cove in 1788.

Before then, Britain was transporting its convicts to America!

Yes, the British did send convicts to America as a form of punishment, particularly in the 17th and 18th centuries. This practice, known as penal transportation, involved sending convicts to work in the colonies instead of serving prison sentences. Approximately 50,000 convicts were transported to America before the practice was halted due to the American Revolution.

 

[HikerGuy83]

To provide you with a link to Sabrina Butler's case I need to use our desktop computer.
To do that I have to wait until mrs bambu isn't using it.
That should happen in about an hour from now.

I said the other cases. You are now being purposely obtuse.

I have looked at Butler's case and commented on it. I don't need that. You can address the more straightforward and heinous crimes I've linked to and asked you to comment on. I said right off the bat, that hers should not be anywhere near where it is. That isn't a problem with the concept. It is a problem with prosecutors being either corrupt or stupid.

But you won't do that because it counters your blanket "death penalty bad" narrative.

Coward.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Death penalty is slowly being basically abolished in America, one state at a time.

No it's not.

Proof, no lies.

For the first time, more Americans believe death penalty is applied unfairly, report finds

“That shows the death penalty is again becoming increasingly isolated in its use in the United States,” Maher said.

***
_________


AI Overview

While the death penalty is not being fully abolished in the United States, its use is becoming increasingly limited and facing growing opposition. More states have abolished the death penalty or have moratoriums in place, and the number of executions and death sentences has been declining.

• Reasons for Decline:
  Several factors contribute to this trend, including growing concerns about wrongful convictions, racial disparities in sentencing, the high cost of maintaining the death penalty, and ethical concerns about its morality.

PBS....???

Seriously ???

 

[HikerGuy83]

Sabrina Butler

Sabrina Butler-Smith — Martin Schoeller

• ”I'm a soldier and I'm going to do exactly what it takes. …because if it happened to me, it could happen to you, it could happen to anyone. But kids are more vulnerable… a lot of children get mixed up…they really don't understand that whatever you say can be used against you. I want to change the law because, you know, I was a child when this happened to me.”

• 
  
  
• No death penalty.
• 50 years, he'd be 95 then. Most likely no longer alive.
• Court must've thought the sentence adequate.

You don't address the points made.

We are done.

Shove off in whatever rathole you live in.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The system works.

It's not perfect, but the concept of acccountability is the right one.

Notice we don't get any response from Mr. Self-Righteous bambu about convicting burglars.

You can't be 100% certain all the time in murder cases, so you can't use the death penalty.

How is it that it's O.K. to send innocent people to jail for burglaries they didn't commit. It happens. It must by his own definition as you can never be absolutely certain.

Conclusion: You should not be convicting and sending people to jail for burlgary.

Or child molestation.

Or any other crime.

 

[Cassandro]

Serial killer BTK was sentenced to life without parole.
So he's locked up in a prison cell, slowly dying, no freedom ever.
He'll die eventually of natural causes, no one forced to commit the killing of him.
USA is no worse off because a death chamber wasn't used.
No worse off that the 6th Commandment was obeyed.

BTK pleaded guilty to 10 murders. The death penalty was not in effect during that time. If it was, he might have confessed to other murders. Dying of natural causes is almost always preferable to being executed, regardless of incarceration.

The USA is not better off by keeping him in prison for the rest of his life (unless the cost of pursuing the death penalty would be even more expensive). But BTK is certainly better off than his victims.

 

[Mr Natural]

I like the idea of an island thousands of miles away from anything where they dumped off and forced to fend for themselves.

 

[bambu.]

It's not perfect, but the concept of acccountability is the right one.

Notice we don't get any response from Mr. Self-Righteous bambu about convicting burglars.

You can't be 100% certain all the time in murder cases, so you can't use the death penalty.

How is it that it's O.K. to send innocent people to jail for burglaries they didn't commit. It happens. It must by his own definition as you can never be absolutely certain.

Conclusion: You should not be convicting and sending people to jail for burlgary.

Or child molestation.

Or any other crime.

It's not ok to send anyone to prison for crimes they didn't commit, including burglars.
If a trial is held, solid evidence is produced, not tainted evidence...and the accused is judged guilty, then a sentence according to the law must be made.
All convicteds must be kept alive in case they are innocent.

This includes for all the heinous crimes you listed here.

 

[HikerGuy83]

It's not ok to send anyone to prison for crimes they didn't commit, including burglars.
If a trial is held, solid evidence is produced, not tainted evidence...and the accused is judged guilty, then a sentence according to the law must be made.
All convicteds must be kept alive in case they are innocent.

This includes for all the heinous crimes you listed here.

Sorry Charlie......hence the title of this thread.

If they are tried and convicted in a way that is first hand and not circumstancial.....they die.

The fact that you want to leave them alive only shows how little you value human life.

It's easy to look like a "good guy" in these situations when a close look reveals just what a monster you are.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The First Fleet ... convicts, some free settlers, military etc, to start a new colony in Australia arrived in Sydney Cove in 1788.

Before then, Britain was transporting its convicts to America!

Yes, the British did send convicts to America as a form of punishment, particularly in the 17th and 18th centuries. This practice, known as penal transportation, involved sending convicts to work in the colonies instead of serving prison sentences. Approximately 50,000 convicts were transported to America before the practice was halted due to the American Revolution.

That's called a deflection.

 

[g5000]

An innocent person has not been executed in this country in many years. Technology and the courts have progressed to the point that proof is almost certain, which is far beyond a reasonable doubt.

Let's take a moment to unpack this.

Before we had this "technology", innocent people were being put in prison. Some have been put on death row.

Now how did innocent people end up in prison and on death row?

Because of incomptence, crooked cops and prosecutors, mistaken witnesses, and in some cases racism.

Technology cannot make that go away. Maybe some, but not every case.

DNA evidence is not present in every capital case. Therefore, innocent people are probably still being sent to death row.

Our justice system is still broken.

If you have enough money, you can literally get away with murder.

If you have no money, you can be convicted of murder even though you are innocent. You can't defend yourself against the formidable power and resources of the State.

Remember the Central Park Five? A classic case of railroading of innocent people. Trump took out a full page ad screaming for their execution.

Execution. Of five innocent boys.

To this day, he will not admit he made a mistake. This megalomaniac never admits mistakes.

And he's in charge of our justice system now, and has appointed a ******* lying, incompetent, airhead at the head of that system.

No technology will fix this. Only reform will.



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[g5000]

By the way, DNA forensics has been in use since 1986.

The Central Park Five were arrested in 1989.

They were not exonerated until 13 years later when another man confessed to the crime, and only then was his DNA used to prove HE was the bad guy.

If he had not confessed, those boys would never have been exonerated.