Why We Have the Death Pentalty.

[Cassandro]

The Death Penalty serves two purposes. The first is that some crimes are so heinous that they can't be compensated by fines and/or incarceration (e.g., murder). The second purpose is to use it as a bargaining chip for a plea deal. This not only avoids the costs of trials and appeals, it can be used to get more information on the perpetrator's crimes.

 

[Midnight FM]

An innocent person has not been executed in this country in many years. Technology and the courts have progressed to the point that proof is almost certain, which is far beyond a reasonable doubt.

I really don't give a shit about Australia and what you do. Why should you care about what my country does if you are not subject to our laws?

Are you just one of those busy bodies that like to stick your nose in other people's business?

It's entirely in people's interest to try to improve the level of human rights around the world.

 

[HikerGuy83]

MSN

Here is another goodie.

People are in jail, but nobody convicted of a murder that everyone admits happened.

If they were convicted, should they get the death penalty.....absofrigginlutely.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Hey bambu,

What about this one. You O.K. with this guy getting 50 years for this ?

MSN

Jemaine Thomas, 45, was sentenced on Wednesday to 50 years in prison for murdering young Troy Koehler in the summer of 2022, the Harris County District Attorney's Office announced. Court records show Thomas pleaded guilty to the charge of murder before accepting the sentence.

They found his body stuffed in a washing machine.

Death Penalty for sure. What is wrong with these people.

 

[toobfreak]

Why We Have the Death Pentalty.​

I can see no way to justify this:

How does one run around with a 5-gallon open bucket full of gas? That would weigh nearly 45 pounds. And half of it would have sloshed out all over the place. And how does one get five gallons of gas poured on them? Just stand there and let them?

 

[HikerGuy83]

How does one run around with a 5-gallon open bucket full of gas? That would weigh nearly 45 pounds. And half of it would have sloshed out all over the place. And how does one get five gallons of gas poured on them? Just stand there and let them?

Not sure.

But if they snuck up behind you......

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I would agree with both points.

I am simply pointing out that our conciousness has shifted way to far away from what (I believe...and I am very much aware that this is my opinion) it should be.

This is becoming all to common because we are normalizing it.

It's time to ratchet up the other side of the equation.

Good luck with that. This process has been going on during my entire lifetime, and I am getting up there in age.

 

[toobfreak]

Not sure. But if they snuck up behind you......

No one "sneaks up" on me with five gallons of anything.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Good luck with that. This process has been going on during my entire lifetime, and I am getting up there in age.

I understand the sentiment.

But our society is coarsening and what used to be considered abhorrent is now becoming commonplace.

It's not just the death penalty. It's the cost of keeping all these criminals. We let them free because we don't want to pay for more jails. We get nothing from them. And don't get me started on the illegals.

I am to the point where a place like Devil's Island is starting to make more sense.

 

[HikerGuy83]

No one "sneaks up" on me with five gallons of anything.

Good for you !

 

[g5000]

I can see no way to justify this:

MSN

If a killer shot someone on Fifth Avenue, would you demand the death penalty?

Anyway...

There have been way too many people releassed from Death Row after DNA cleared them years and decades after their convictions when DNA testing was not availabl.e.

This means there is a very good chance several innocent people have been executed.

Our justice system is way too broken, and a moratorium should be in place until we fix it. Appeals to emotion like this case notwithstanding.

In my opinion, life in prison is worse than execution anyway.

.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I understand the sentiment.

But our society is coarsening and what used to be considered abhorrent is now becoming commonplace.

It's not just the death penalty. It's the cost of keeping all these criminals. We let them free because we don't want to pay for more jails. We get nothing from them. And don't get me started on the illegals.

I am to the point where a place like Devil's Island is starting to make more sense.

Not nearly enough. Too many liberals.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Not nearly enough. Too many liberals.

Not giving up yet !

 

[HikerGuy83]

MSN

Does this woman deserve the death penalty?

I think she does. I don't care if she gave her brain to meth.

Stupid choices bring really bad consequences.

An 18-year-old Alabama woman is facing murder and burglary charges after allegedly beating her grandmother to death with a mallet — and confessing to the crime on a neighbor’s doorstep.

Jailen Mia Lupton was captured on doorbell camera sprinting to Cheryl Edwards’ home in Mobile County, frantically saying, “I killed my grandma. I need help.”

 

[bambu.]

10 facts about the death penalty in the U.S.

Here’s a closer look at public opinion on the death penalty, as well as key facts about the nation’s use of capital punishment.

www.pewresearch.org

Six in Ten favor the death penalty in cases of murder. I suspect 95 out of 100 would not have a problem with Hasan or the clown from Michigan taking the drop.

The time to get someone to the chamber has tripled in the last several decades.

The death penalty is a failed system.
Innocent people have been put to death.
Many innocent people have been exonerated, and released from death row...but only because of the efforts of Innocence Project and their ilk.
Without them many more innocent people would've been subject to premeditated killing by the state.

 

[bambu.]

You keep citing cases that those that should never be there.

I don't get what you think this is about.

And there is no overwhelming evidence of innocence. That is simply propaganda. But there is no overwheliming evidence he is guilty either. The whole case is technical and should never have gotten this far.

If you look at the case of the guy who offed his girlfriend and then ran over her body.......totally different story in terms of "evidence".

He deserves to go.

But the cases have gotten that far, and Mr Roberson is now due to be walked into the State's killing chamber then wheeled out dead...on October 16 this year, 2025.

 

[bambu.]

An innocent person has not been executed in this country in many years. Technology and the courts have progressed to the point that proof is almost certain, which is far beyond a reasonable doubt.

I really don't give a shit about Australia and what you do. Why should you care about what my country does if you are not subject to our laws?
Are you just one of those busy bodies that like to stick your nose in other people's business?

Human rights, innocence, rights etc are everyone's business, no matter the global location.

"Almost certain"?
Proof is almost certain?
When killing convicteds in death chambers, guilt needs to be absolute.
100% absolute.
Anything less is totally wrong.
That can never be proven in all your death penalty cases, obviously.
So therefore the system is a failed one.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The death penalty is a failed system.

Based on what ?

Innocent people have been put to death.

And innocent people have been locked away for 60 years. It's an inevitability.

But those are the ones executed on circumstantial evidence.

When there are witnesses and NO DOUBT, nobody innocent dies.

Many innocent people have been exonerated, and released from death row...but only because of the efforts of Innocence Project and their ilk.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.......

There are certainly abuses of the system for different reasons and by different people.

Always have been and it's not just limited to capital crimes.

Without them many more innocent people would've been subject to premeditated killing by the state.

You do the best you can with what you have.

No throwing the bady out with the bathwater.

If anything is a failure, it is the lack of execution of those who are have been seen doing it or admitted doing it.

I get that you somehow see this as a high moral ground. But you lack anything that gives you that. If nothing else, you foist onto society the continual presense of people known to have committed crimes and you foster an attitude the degrades human life. GFY.

Here we have a situation where it is clear they killed someone. They intended to hit him and they did.

Nevada teen charged in death of retired police chief found unfit to stand trial

One of two teens charged in the death of a retired police chief was been found unfit to stand trial, according to media reports.

www.foxnews.com

But the system is going to give one of them a pass (and probably a second).

The jerk 19 years old bragged he'd be out in 30 days.

Both deserve a good funeral.

Up yours.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Human rights, innocence, rights etc are everyone's business, no matter the global location.

"Almost certain"?
Proof is almost certain?
When killing convicteds in death chambers, guilt needs to be absolute.
100% absolute.
Anything less is totally wrong.
That can never be proven in all your death penalty cases, obviously.
So therefore the system is a failed one.

Go whine to someone who cares about your absolutes.

This dicta does not exist as a standard anywhere.

 

[HikerGuy83]

But the cases have gotten that far, and Mr Roberson is now due to be walked into the State's killing chamber then wheeled out dead...on October 16 this year, 2025.

ADDRESS THE SECOND CASE YOU EVADING POS.

I already said the first shouldn't be there. That it is...is a problem that needs to be fixed.

That does not take away from those who should face the noose.

Stop convicting people of burglary then too.

Or child molestation. You can never absolutely prove 100% it was them. Address that.