Why we are losing the war on crime, drugs.

[Woodznutz]

Donald Rumsfeld famously said,

"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So it is with the war on crime and drugs. We don't have the "army", in the form of necessary laws, personnel, and infrastructure needed to be effective. We are trying to interdict an unlimited supply of drugs, distributed by an unlimited number of dealers, to a limited number of addicted users.

 

[Uncensored2008]

democrats are pro-crime

The obvious answer is the correct one.

 

[Donald H]

Many, many Americans are turning to illegal drugs for relief against their dismal living conditions imposed on them by poverty.

This is the key that has to be denied in order to remain patriotic.

The ruling class doesn't care enough but will have to eventually care when their human resourse dries up due to addition in the masses.

 

[White 6]

Donald Rumsfeld famously said,

"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So it is with the war on crime and drugs. We don't have the "army", in the form of necessary laws, personnel, and infrastructure needed to be effective. We are trying to interdict an unlimited supply of drugs, distributed by an unlimited number of dealers, to a limited number of addicted users.

Rumsfeld was an idiot. Now, most likely and idiot in hell. If you are defending, you go to war with the army you have. If you are attacking, you gather and train troops, martial supplies, set up logistics, ramp up production, put spies, saboteurs, etc in place, just all manner of things can be done to insure you don't just have a better plan than "Hey, let go kick somebody's ass, whether ready or not or whether they need it and it can be justified or not, but the perfect plan totally wipe out the enemy while insuring few if any friendly casualties. Otherwise, you could end up in some half-baked, pie in the sky, ever evolving mission creep mission from hell, killing your kids for 20 year, accomplishing little blowing all kinds of money, making civilian contractors rich with contracts that keep on giving for more than a generation of full time employment, with kids going to war for whatever that weren't even born when the first lie was told about why we should go in the first place. Of course, he said that, and it is what we did. It does no make what he said true in any form. This is knowledge common and known to the newest 2nd Lt. ought of his basic course. Too, bad Rumsfeld died 20 years too late.

 

[Donald H]

Rumsfeld was an idiot. Now, most likely and idiot in hell. If you are defending, you go to war with the army you have. If you are attacking, you gather and train troops, martial supplies, set up logistics, ramp up production, put spies, saboteurs, etc in place, just all manner of things can be done to insure you don't just have a better plan than "Hey, let go kick somebody's ass, whether ready or not or whether they need it and it can be justified or not, but the perfect plan totally wipe out the enemy while insuring few in any friendly casualties. Otherwise, you could end up in some half baked, pie in the sky, ever evolving mission creep mission from hell, killing your kids for 20 year, accomplishing little blowing all kinds of money, making civilian contractors rich with contracts that keep on giving for more than a generation of full time employment, with kids going to war for whatever that weren't even born when the first lie was told about why we should go in the first place. Of course, he said that, and it is what we did. It does no make what he said true in any form. The is knoweldge common and known to the newest 2nd Lt. ought of his basic course. Too, bad Rumsfeld died 20 years too late.

Are you too going to attempt to not face the facts on illegal drugs and crime?

The issues can't be dealt with as long as the cause is denied.

 

[BlindBoo]

Donald Rumsfeld famously said,

"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

So it is with the war on crime and drugs. We don't have the "army", in the form of necessary laws, personnel, and infrastructure needed to be effective. We are trying to interdict an unlimited supply of drugs, distributed by an unlimited number of dealers, to a limited number of addicted users.

You'll never stop it without extreme draconian measures. Because you shouldn't declare a war on your own citizens for using recreational substances.

The war on Americans who choose to use those substances is the crime. It took a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw alcohol nationwide. Also, the 1937 law outlawing Marijuana was eventually declared unconstitutional, but by then the Federal Governments' power had grown so much, they just passed a new set of laws taking away citizens rights......

No. If freedom mean we have to live in a country where guns violence is protected, they should stop that draconian war on Americans.

 

[Woodznutz]

You'll never stop it without extreme draconian measures. Because you shouldn't declare a war on your own citizens for using recreational substances.

The war on Americans who choose to use those substances is the crime. It took a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw alcohol nationwide. Also, the 1937 law outlawing Marijuana was eventually declared unconstitutional, but by then the Federal Governments' power had grown so much, they just passed a new set of laws taking away citizens rights......

No. If freedom mean we have to live in a country where guns violence is protected, they should stop that draconian war on Americans.

Recreational users are a 'side hustle' for dealers. Take away the hard addicts and the drug business falls apart.

 

[BlindBoo]

Recreational users are a 'side hustle' for dealers. Take away the hard addicts and the drug business falls apart.

Take away the Black Market prices and reduce crime. Get the hard addicts help instead of locking them up in a corrupt pay-per, for profit prisons. Drug cartels still falls apart.

 

[Woodznutz]

Take away the Black Market prices and reduce crime. Get the hard addicts help instead of locking them up in a corrupt pay-per, for profit prisons. Drug cartels still falls apart.

Many hard addicts get help now but it does little overall good. The best plan is to hold them in a secured facility (not prison) for a month or so then let them go. While in such a facility they can't fund the drug business, or commit the crimes they do for drug money, and we don't have to spend money on treatment that seldom works. When we catch them again (and we will) they get to stay longer. Soon the drug money will dry up and so will the hard drug business.

 

[BlindBoo]

Many hard addicts get help now but it does little overall good. The best plan is to hold them in a secured facility (not prison) for a month or so then let them go. While in such a facility they can't fund the drug business, or commit the crimes they do for drug money, and we don't have to spend money on treatment that seldom works. When we catch them again (and we will) they get to stay longer. Soon the drug money will dry up and so will the hard drug business.

Many addicts, I mean alcoholics, simply don't want to give up their addiction.

 

[Woodznutz]

Many addicts, I mean alcoholics, simply don't want to give up their addiction.

I agree. Alcohol contributed to the death of my brother and sister, and a couple of cousins as well. It's a big problem. The difference is that there is no illegal 'booze cartel' or widespread crime associated with obtaining or drinking liquor.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Many addicts, I mean alcoholics, simply don't want to give up their addiction.

No one really cares if you do or not...

 

[BlindBoo]

I agree. Alcohol contributed to the death of my brother and sister, and a couple of cousins as well. It's a big problem. The difference is that there is no illegal 'booze cartel' or widespread crime associated with obtaining or drinking liquor.

That's sad. True and when we made it illegal here were didn't export that illegality to other countries and demand they close down their stills. Canadian Club Distillery was right across the border and never missed a beat. But make no mistake about it, when we made it illegal, the illegal cartels (Capone) sprung up with the crime and violence soon after. We didn't learn our lesson.