Zone1 Why was the Resurrection of Jesus Christ Necessary?

[Frankenstein]

Never happened. Your holy myth book is a lie.

Cool don't believe, why the need to be here telling people? The truth is, you do believe, it's called the innate knowledge of God, he placed it there, you have simply suppressed it in favor of selfish secularism!

 

[ding]

Never happened. Your holy myth book is a lie.

Same for the Torah?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

If this were true, then why was it necessary that Jesus Christ rise from the dead and take on and immortal body of flesh and bones?

He didn't
Flesh and blood is temporary. You'll either be resurrected to spirit or you will be ashes in the Lake of Fire

He created Man this way so there could never be any more devils

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Cool don't believe, why the need to be here telling people? The truth is, you do believe, it's called the innate knowledge of God, he placed it there, you have simply suppressed it in favor of selfish secularism!

Atheists are some of the biggest evangelists

 

[onefour1]

He didn't
Flesh and blood is temporary. You'll either be resurrected to spirit or you will be ashes in the Lake of Fire

He created Man this way so there could never be any more devils

If you read my post again, nobody said anything about blood. My quote was, "If this were true, then why was it necessary that Jesus Christ rise from the dead and take on an immortal body of flesh and bones?" No blood mentioned!!

Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

The resurrected Jesus was not just a spirit but a resurrected being with a body of FLESH AND BONES! No blood but yes, flesh and bones!

 

[toobfreak]

Why was the Resurrection of Jesus Christ Necessary?​

The real question you should be asking is why the Bible doesn't answer that itself.

The biggest problem of the Bible is that its books are written as historical accounts of events by people recounting stories passed down from many years earlier (the historical books passed down orally hundreds of years before Christ) to 50-100 years after Jesus' death. And while recounting events and happenings, give little or no insights into the causes and reasons.

 

[onefour1]

The real question you should be asking is why the Bible doesn't answer that itself.

The biggest problem of the Bible is that its books are written as historical accounts of events by people recounting stories passed down from many years earlier (the historical books passed down orally hundreds of years before Christ) to 50-100 years after Jesus' death. And while recounting events and happenings, give little or no insights into the causes and reasons.

My answer to this is that Jesus Christ and his church were never meant to simply be the writings of a book only. The true church of Jesus Christ was always meant to have continuing revelation where such question could be asked and answered through revelation. Shortly after many of the Apostles of Jesus were murdered, the true church of Jesus gradually fell into a state of apostasy and needed to be restored to the earth again. In 1830 the Lord restored his true church once again upon the earth and it is known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In the church today through the revelations of God, we understand that God our eternal Father in Heaven is a being who like Jesus has an immortal body of flesh and bones. Receiving a body in this life is part of the eternal plan of God and that having a body brings to our spirits eternal joy and happiness. This was revealed in a revelation to the prophet Joseph Smith:

Doctrine and Covenants 93:33-34
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34 And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.

For this reason God has given us all bodies and eventually our bodies will die and resurrect to be immortal and we will have them for ever and ever and be able to receive a fulness of joy.

Matthew 16:13-18
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

In the above verse, Jesus asks his disciples, "Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?" To this some of the disciples list John the Baptist, Elias, Jeremias or one the ancient prophets. But Jesus then asks them personally, "Whom say ye that I am?" To this Peter answers and says, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus then tells Peter, "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. This knowledge was not given unto Peter by mankind but by God the Eternal Father which is in heaven. It was given to him by revelation. Peter took the time to pray and learn by revelation that Jesus was the very Christ, the son of the living God. Jesus then tells Peter, "thou art Peter, and upon this rock (the rock of revelation) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Revelation was to continue in the church. The gates of hell cannot stand against a church which receives continuing revelation from God himself. The people in a church can fall away from truth and apostatize from it, but a faithful church whose people hold to the truth and continue to receive revelation from God cannot fail. Shortly after the days of the apostles of Christ, the church began to fall away into apostasy and many great truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ were lost. But God would not allow Satan to prevail over him and restored his church again upon the face of the earth. Today, through the revelations of God, we understand the importance of the resurrection and why it is so critical that Jesus resurrect and become just like his Father and why it is so important for all mankind to have a body and also eventually resurrect for all eternity.

 

[MarathonMike]

The fact that he was resurrected, yet he also simultaneously vanished from the face of the Earth, has always been a hard sell for me. The mere fact that anyone would crucify a person claiming to be the son of god, who happens to be able to walk on water, cure the blind, heal the sick, make water from wine, etc, is also a hard sell. Ancient superstitious people werent the types to disregard obvious magic. They were freaked out by a red moon for crying out loud, let alone some dude who can walk on fucking water. If he says he is the son of god, those motherfuckers would take him seriously. No one is killing that dude.

Then he comes back to life, a first time event in human history, but no other stories are told about him AFTER this miracle event? He would be a rockstar at that point and more popular than ever, yet we hear nothing more about him?

It just doesnt jive with me. Jesus may have been a real person, but the information we have been told about him does not sound accurate in the slightest. There are some major holes in that story that no one ever seems interested in addressing. Religious people think im a dick for even mentioning it.

That's one of many questions I had growing up in a Christian home. Why do two such closely related religions as Christianity and Judaism differ so drastically on who and what Jesus Christ was?

 

[toobfreak]

My answer to this is that Jesus Christ and his church were never meant to simply be the writings of a book only.

All fine and good but why doesn't it then just SAY that in the Bible?

And why couldn't it have said those things and still done all of the other stuff you touched upon too?

 

[onefour1]

All fine and good but why doesn't it then just SAY that in the Bible?

And why couldn't it have said those things and still done all of the other stuff you touched upon too?

The Bible has gone through many, many years and many many hands of perhaps no so inspired men. It could be that these things have been revealed before and were written but not included in the works of the Bible. It could also be that they were included but removed at some point. We really don't know all the works of God and all the works of men. Through many compilations and many translations we only have what we have in the Bible. Fortunately God has not left us with only the Bible. It is interesting that in Christianity the atonement of Christ is the most important event in the history of mankind, yet the Old Testament seems to say very little about the coming of Christ and his infinite atonement. Could it be that much was taken out of what prophets of old said about this great event? Maybe when Christ makes his second appearance here on earth, we will learn all about what transpired through the years of history.

 

[toobfreak]

The Bible has gone through many, many years and many many hands of perhaps no so inspired men. It could be that these things have been revealed before and were written but not included in the works of the Bible. It could also be that they were included but removed at some point. We really don't know all the works of God and all the works of men. Through many compilations and many translations we only have what we have in the Bible. Fortunately God has not left us with only the Bible. It is interesting that in Christianity the atonement of Christ is the most important event in the history of mankind, yet the Old Testament seems to say very little about the coming of Christ and his infinite atonement. Could it be that much was taken out of what prophets of old said about this great event? Maybe when Christ makes his second appearance here on earth, we will learn all about what transpired through the years of history.

I have several Bibles in the house from a large Masonic one, to a rather small one, to one about 110 years old with hand tooled leather cover. I like that one because it has the apocryphal books in it not found in the common modern Bible, it also has full page maps and things of various places, very detailed. Where did all of that go?

At the very least, it suggests that the Bible is incomplete, altered, and fragmented. I also wish the Bible was clearly broken up into better sections than just the Old and New Testament. It should be broken up into the:

• Pentateuch (Torah)
• The Historical Books
• Books of Wisdoms
• The Prophets
• The Gospels
• The Pauline Epistles
• The General Epistles & Revelation

Part of the problem with the Bible is that it was written over a thousand years, there was no consistent, uniform calendar to date things until long after the Bible was completed, much/all of it was transmitted orally from generation to generation for many years as paper was hard to come by, the apocryphal books of the Bible were originally written down in Greek instead of Hebrew, many of the books have overlapping timelines, and in general, most Bibles are organized according to theme instead of chronology.

As such, I think I would prefer a more chronological order to the Bible, putting it in the following sections to make it easier to follow and relate to:

1. Age of the patriarchs
2. Age of the exodus
3. Age of resettlement
4. Age of kings Saul and David
5. Age of King Solomon
6. The prophets
7. Exile from Babylon
8. The return from exile
9. The life of Jesus
10. Letters of the apostles

 

[The Irish Ram]

He didn't
Flesh and blood is temporary. You'll either be resurrected to spirit or you will be ashes in the Lake of Fire

He created Man this way so there could never be any more devils

We know Christ was in His, now glorified, human body and always will be. We know that because of the scars that were observed on Him. He actually told Thomas to feel where the nails went through, and where the spear went into His side.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The fact that he was resurrected, yet he also simultaneously vanished from the face of the Earth, has always been a hard sell for me. The mere fact that anyone would crucify a person claiming to be the son of god, who happens to be able to walk on water, cure the blind, heal the sick, make water from wine, etc, is also a hard sell. Ancient superstitious people werent the types to disregard obvious magic. They were freaked out by a red moon for crying out loud, let alone some dude who can walk on fucking water. If he says he is the son of god, those motherfuckers would take him seriously. No one is killing that dude.

Then he comes back to life, a first time event in human history, but no other stories are told about him AFTER this miracle event? He would be a rockstar at that point and more popular than ever, yet we hear nothing more about him?

It just doesnt jive with me. Jesus may have been a real person, but the information we have been told about him does not sound accurate in the slightest. There are some major holes in that story that no one ever seems interested in addressing. Religious people think im a dick for even mentioning it.

The Romans who witnessed the crucifixion did take it seriously, after the fact:

Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and those who were with him watching Jesus, saw the earthquake and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly, this was the Son of God."

Messiahs were a dime a dozen back then, and they would die and be forgotten. Then one came back from the dead. And that is why people were willing to die rather than refute what they knew about Him to be true.
The Pharisees knew Jesus worked miracles, but were convinced His power was coming from Satan.

When Jesus returned, He ate with friends, cooked fish for breakfast for the disciples, Peter describes Jesus being seen by 500 people. Jesus spent time with His disciples. He hung around for 40 days.
Keep in mind that for 100 years after, everything Christian, including His followers, was destroyed.

What are the major holes that concern you?

 

[The Irish Ram]

If you read my post again, nobody said anything about blood. My quote was, "If this were true, then why was it necessary that Jesus Christ rise from the dead and take on an immortal body of flesh and bones?" No blood mentioned!!

Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

The resurrected Jesus was not just a spirit but a resurrected being with a body of FLESH AND BONES! No blood but yes, flesh and bones!

^ That is fact.

 

[luiza]

Why was the Resurrection of Jesus Christ Necessary?

The early Cultists forgot to check dates .

The welcoming garden was so busy that they had to send him back until the Monday morning until there was space to fit him in .

 

[The Irish Ram]

Why was the Resurrection of Jesus Christ Necessary?

The early Cultists forgot to check dates .

The welcoming garden was so busy that they had to send him back until the Monday morning until there was space to fit him in .

^I don't have a clue what that means.


There were many, many self proclaimed Messiahs. They all died and passed away from memory. We can't name them or recall what they said.
Then one came back. And because of it, His words will never pass away. That was the impact of seeing a man they watched die, come back and remain with them for over a month. That is just one of the reasons why His resurrection was necessary.

 

[onefour1]

Doctrine and Covenants 93:33-34
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34 And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.

The reason that evil spirits try to possess our bodies and the reason they pleaded with Jesus to allow them to enter the heard of pigs was because there is greater joy in having a body and being connected to elements. Lucifer and those who rebelled along with him in the war in heaven were denied the opportunity of ever receiving bodies of flesh and bones. This is why they try to possess our bodies. God the Father has a body and so does Jesus Christ for all eternity. We all will eventually be resurrected and also enjoy an immortal body of flesh and bones for all eternity.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I'm not a Mormon, but that is why the spirits want to possess our bodies. One big reason was lusting after women. They couldn't experience sex without a human body.

God the Father has a body and so does Jesus Christ for all eternity. We all will eventually be resurrected and also enjoy an immortal body of flesh and bones for all eternity.

That is correct. It's why God wouldn't allow any of His bones to be broken. He will be in that body forever. And that is hard to take. It makes me wonder what people think Christ will look like when we see Him.

He didn't look human by the time they finished torturing Him. They tore huge chunks of flesh off by ripping His beard from His face. His body looked like hamburger. He was beaten to a pulp before He was nailed to that cross. People close to Him didn't even recognize Him when He was resurrected because He was so scarred.

Isaiah 52:14 His face was so disfigured he seemed hardly human, and from his appearance, one would scarcely know he was a man. But he didn't begin that way. At first everyone was appalled. He didn't even look human - a ruined face, disfigured past recognition.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

He will be in that body forever

This surprises me that you seem to agree with Mormonism on this.

We have a clear description of the resurrected Jesus in Revelation. He has the FORM of a man, but He is NOT composed of flesh and blood.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality

 

[onefour1]

This surprises me that you seem to agree with Mormonism on this.

We have a clear description of the resurrected Jesus in Revelation. He has the FORM of a man, but He is NOT composed of flesh and blood.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality

The life of an immortal, resurrected body is in the spirit. The life of a mortal body is in the blood. So NO! a resurrected body does not include blood. "Flesh and blood" refers to the mortal, corruptible body. No mortal inherits the kingdom of heaven. It is true that corruption cannot inherit incorruption. Only immortal beings inherit the kingdom of heaven. Immortals are those who no longer require blood to sustain their life but their life is in the immortal spirit. Jesus himself resurrected and showed his disciples very clearly what his resurrected body consisted of:

Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

The problem you have Carl, is that you equate the phrase, "flesh and blood" with the phrase "flesh and bones". Jesus, in verse 39 above, clearly tells us that he does have a resurrected body of "flesh and bones". No blood is mentioned. An immortal resurrected Jesus and any other immortal resurrected being has a body of flesh and bones. However, they do not have an immortal body of "flesh and blood". Flesh and blood refers to mortal beings. The Father and Son both have immortal bodies of flesh and bones but without blood. The life of the immortal body is in the spirit and does not require blood for life.

1 Peter 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the spirit:

The quickening power, or that which gave Christ life in his resurrection was the spirit. No blood necessary.