Why the Ukraine's Counteroffensive is Difficult.

[toomuchtime_]

Actually, the Russians see it in a different way. According their understanding of freedom a drug-addicted or perverted person is not free and the freedom of drug-dealers and LGBT-ideologists (as well as a freedom of a slave-trader) means slavery for many other people. What did Dostoyevsky write?
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Since Russia has no free speech and no free press, neither you nor anyone else knows what the Russian people think, but we do know the people have no individual rights, only "collective rights" and since news is not reported but manufactured in Russia, no one knows how many gays or drug dealers there are in Russia, but we can be sure Putin and the rest of his corrupt gang get their share of he drug money.

 

[Silver Cat]

Since Russia has no free speech and no free press, neither you nor anyone else knows what the Russian people think, but we do know the people have no individual rights, only "collective rights" and since news is not reported but manufactured in Russia, no one knows how many gays or drug dealers there are in Russia, but we can be sure Putin and the rest of his corrupt gang get their share of he drug money.

The Russians are human being, and, so, they have the gift of free speech. And if they trust you - they can say about their problems from their point of view. Just talk with the people.
Or, you can walk Russian streets and try to find drug-addicts. But it doesn't really matter. What we are talking about their perception of the modern West. And too many of them don't see West as "The Free World" (as it was fifty-twenty five years ago). They see it as the world of injustice and slavery. That's the problem.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The Russians are human being, and, so, they have the gift of free speech. And if they trust you - they can say about their problems from their point of view. Just talk with the people.
Or, you can walk Russian streets and try to find drug-addicts. But it doesn't really matter. What we are talking about their perception of the modern West. And too many of them don't see West as "The Free World" (as it was fifty-twenty five years ago). They see it as the world of injustice and slavery. That's the problem.

They don't see anything about Russia or the West because news in Russia is manufactured by the Kremlin, and who the fuck are you to pretend to know what the Russian people think?

 

[Silver Cat]

They don't see anything about Russia or the West because news in Russia is manufactured by the Kremlin, and who the fuck are you to pretend to know what the Russian people think?

They can see what happens with them and their neighbors. What is more important, censorship in the age of internet can't be total (especially in such a large country like Russia). And if you need to know, I do not pretend to know what they _think_. I pretend to know what they (some of them) are _talking_ and _writing_ about. It's not that difficult nowadays. Learn Russian (and/or Chinese) and talk with them, too. In the worst case you'll just lost some time. In the best case you'll prevent the war.

 

[toomuchtime_]

They can see what happens with them and their neighbors. What is more important, censorship in the age of internet can't be total (especially in such a large country like Russia). And if you need to know, I do not pretend to know what they _think_. I pretend to know what they (some of them) are _talking_ and _writing_ about. It's not that difficult nowadays. Learn Russian (and/or Chinese) and talk with them, too. In the worst case you'll just lost some time. In the best case you'll prevent the war.

Yes, some Russians will break the law and gain access to the foreign press, but the vast majority of Russians depend on TV or Kremlin manufactured "news", and I can have anything on the Internet instantly translated, so there is no need to learn Russian or Chinese to know what Russians or Chinese are saying on social media, but of course, if they say anything the Kremlin doesn't like they will be arrested, so doing this gives you no access to what the Russian people really think.

You have no provided any justification at all for claiming this is how the Russians see it. What you know is what the Kremlin tells you you should believe and nothing more.

 

[Silver Cat]

Yes, some Russians will break the law and gain access to the foreign press, but the vast majority of Russians depend on TV or Kremlin manufactured "news", and I can have anything on the Internet instantly translated, so there is no need to learn Russian or Chinese to know what Russians or Chinese are saying on social media, but of course, if they say anything the Kremlin doesn't like they will be arrested, so doing this gives you no access to what the Russian people really think.

You have no provided any justification at all for claiming this is how the Russians see it. What you know is what the Kremlin tells you you should believe and nothing more.

There is no need to prohibit the access to foreign news in Russia, at least because the bulk of it clearly supports official Russian narrative about malignity, supidness and incompetence of the Western politicians.
That's why there is no need to arrest pro-Western freaks. All they need is to ask: "Do you really believe that the peaceful coexistence with those guys is possible? "

 

[toomuchtime_]

There is no need to prohibit the access to foreign news in Russia, at least because the bulk of it clearly supports official Russian narrative about malignity, supidness and incompetence of the Western politicians.
That's why there is no need to arrest pro-Western freaks. All they need is to ask: "Do you really believe that the peaceful coexistence with those guys is possible? "

And yet foreign news is blocked in Russia and Russians who contradict the Kremlin are arrested. How come?

 

[Ringo]

I want to clarify my position on the ukrainian issue.
There is no Ukraine and there will be no more
The country failed the independence test, it happens, that's life.
There is no need to be embarrassed or ashamed of it, failed projects are closed and new, more successful ones are started.

 

[alang1216]

Are you referring to the common peoples mindset - or those of their respective elitist circles aka governments?

There was absolutely no majority amongst the people in any NATO country (aside maybe the agitated American population due to 9/11) to make and bring war and destruction onto Somalia, Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now Russia. Plus crippling a dozen and more countries, and especially their population (As such intentionally worsening the peoples livelihood) with economic sanctions and therefore intentionally raising the chances/desire for internal unrest and revolutions).

NONE of these autocratic or sanctioned countries had attacked any neighbor when they were attacked - aside from some of them facing civil-wars, whereby the opposing parties were initiated, and immediately supported and financed by those democratic countries.

I guess you don't see a fundamental difference between an elected government and an autocratic one. I do. Whenever a democratic government does something the majority of voters don't approve of they risk getting thrown out of power. Something autocrats don't have to fear.

Now tell me, what is it that makes democrats or democratic countries believe that they possess a "higher" moral? Because they allow their sheep's to vote for their respective party every 4 years?
Which does not even guarantee that someones "chosen" party gets to rule the realm - and that one day after the election is over, the respective democratic government via implementing laws and regulations, does what ever it wants without ever asking it's population. And if those democratic sheep's don't follow these laws they get punished via $ and jail-time. Just as in any autocratic country.

Except when power is shared e.g., a GOP House and a Democrat Senate.

Why do you have all these demonstrations (many violent ones) in these democratic countries? Because people have been told that it is okay to demonstrate and use violence against any existing government and their imposition of laws. As such democracy is simply a joke - first the government doesn't care about it's peoples wants - and hence allows people to act against them.

The number of violent people is greater in countries where the gov't is not seen as representing the people in question. The US had a 1/6 while Syria had a civil war.

Who are these democrats and their respective democratic governments to tell autocratic governments - you need to be as chaotic and illogical as us,- otherwise we will cause civil unrest in your country and eventually make war on you?

Nonsense, however if the government of a country doesn't represent the people being governed, we have an obligation to support the people of that country and not its government.

Therefore - it has NEVER been about democracy contra autocracy - but Western elites and $$ circles profiting from the "democratic" system, can't enter autocratic countries, in order to take control of them and therefore further their own personal business agendas. And e.g. Russia simply refuses to be taken over by Western elites and $$ circles. Therefore they will not allow for NATO to take control of Ukraine - and therefore a war such as the Ukraine-Russian war got started.

Russia violated international law. Period. If Finland joins NATO will Russia invade them? What about the Baltic states?

N-Korea - classic example, ruled by a despotic autocratic leader - do you believe that those sanctions (making the common people there even more poor and desperate) is going to help your democratic agenda? No, actually the N-Korean people detest democracy even more then before and worked even harder to get nukes. The same applies to e.g. Iran - those people who protest do not even represent 20% of the population - whilst the other 80% get to hate democracy and democratic countries even more.

I have no idea where you get your numbers but it comes down to this. If you want to play ball with the West, you have to follow the rules the West laid down.

Whilst NATO is doing it's best to support and militarize Monarchist and despotic Islamic autocracies throughout the Gulf States to get into confrontation with Iran - classic democrat warmongers.

Is that any different from Russia's support of Syria's hereditary ruler, Bashar al-Assad?

Since 5-6 years now NATO aka USA is almost daily inciting hate and lies against China - additionally inciting a present government on Taiwan to opt for independence. Thus trying to provoke China into getting into war with Taiwan and thus NATO. Since China clearly stated that in the event of a deceleration of independence by Taiwan - China will also resort to military means.

And just as Russia will not accept a Ukraine in NATO, China will not accept an independent Taiwan, which would inadvertently become a US military base and NATO or NATO affiliate member, a hundred miles of mainland China's coast.

So if you prefer to support a factually proven, warmongering democratic $$ and elite system - constantly attacking autocratic countries via economic sanctions and by military force, then that is your personal "free" choice.
But the system you support or believe in, is in no way better then an autocratic system - in regards to intentional destruction and imposed sanctions, therefore increasing poverty, its even far worse.

More nonsense. The US recognizes that Taiwan is a province of China. Judging by the current status of Hong Kong, Taiwan is in no hurry to go down that road.

 

[ESay]

I want to clarify my position on the ukrainian issue.
There is no Ukraine and there will be no more
The country failed the independence test, it happens, that's life.
There is no need to be embarrassed or ashamed of it, failed projects are closed and new, more successful ones are started.

Cool story, bro. So, now your dogshit army can stop this silly SMO?

 

[Silver Cat]

Cool story, bro. So, now your dogshit army can stop this silly SMO?

First of all, they need to finish the existence of the Ukrainian State.

 

[toomuchtime_]

First of all, they need to finish the existence of the Ukrainian State.

Putin is more likely to finish the existence of the Russian Federation.

 

[Silver Cat]

And yet foreign news is blocked in Russia and Russians who contradict the Kremlin are arrested. How come?

Actually no. They even have sites and Telegram channels for translation of selected foreign articles (usually, the most Russophobic ones). And, no, there are many people who contradict the Kremlin. There is a place for the "constructive critic" and searching for the better solutions. Sometimes, such contradictions became a mutiny (as it was with Prigozhin).
As Putin said: "If a person say that everything is OK in Russia, he is probably a German spy. "

 

[Silver Cat]

Putin is more likely to finish the existence of the Russian Federation.

May be. But I'm not sure that the result will be much better for the USA. Actually, Peter the Great finished existence of the Grand Duchy of Moscow, and started the existence of the Russian Empire. The commies finished the existence of the Russian Empire, but created the USSR.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Actually no. They even have sites and Telegram channels for translation of selected foreign articles (usually, the most Russophobic ones). And, no, there are many people who contradict the Kremlin. There is a place for the "constructive critic" and searching for the better solutions. Sometimes, such contradictions became a mutiny (as it was with Prigozhin).
As Putin said: "If a person say that everything is OK in Russia, he is probably a German spy. "

Right and the Kremlin decides what is allowable and what is a criminal offense. Why such stupid lies today?

 

[toomuchtime_]

May be. But I'm not sure that the result will be much better for the USA. Actually, Peter the Great finished existence of the Grand Duchy of Moscow, and started the existence of the Russian Empire. The commies finished the existence of the Russian Empire, but created the USSR.

And when the USSR failed, we got the Russian Federation, which Putin seems determined to destroy, which would be an outcome celebrated by nearly the whole world except for the question about who would get all those nuclear warheads after the Russian Federation collapses, but anything would be better than the abomination Putin has created.

 

[Silver Cat]

Right and the Kremlin decides what is allowable and what is a criminal offense. Why such stupid lies today?

"Kremlin" is just a small group of people. They can't control directly the whole Russia. Yes, they have some certain rules, but who hasn't?

 

[Silver Cat]

And when the USSR failed, we got the Russian Federation, which Putin seems determined to destroy, which would be an outcome celebrated by nearly the whole world except for the question about who would get all those nuclear warheads after the Russian Federation collapses, but anything would be better than the abomination Putin has created.

Actually, there are plenty things that could be much worse than Putin's Russia. For example - The Russian Empire 2.0, or even The Golden Horde 2.0. Anyway, much more likely, that one moment instead of committing suicide they will directly attack the USA and/or other NATO countries.

 

[toomuchtime_]

"Kremlin" is just a small group of people. They can't control directly the whole Russia. Yes, they have some certain rules, but who hasn't?

You seem proud of putting out such stupid posts.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Actually, there are plenty things that could be much worse than Putin's Russia. For example - The Russian Empire 2.0, or even The Golden Horde 2.0. Anyway, much more likely, that one moment instead of committing suicide they will directly attack the USA and/or other NATO countries.

No, there is nothing worse for the Russian people or for the rest of the world than the monstrousity Putin has created.