Why the Ukraine's Counteroffensive is Difficult.

[Silver Cat]

No, there is nothing worse for the Russian people or for the rest of the world than the monstrousity Putin has created.

Actually, with Putin Russian people lives much better than in any other time in history. And, his regime is still good for the significant part of the world. At least it's pragmatic - they don't want to export socialism anymore.

 

[Silver Cat]

You seem proud of putting out such stupid posts.

It's not stupid. The Russians read American sources much more often than Americans (even those, who suppose to do it) read the Russian ones. And their list of restricted-to-discuss matters is much shorter than American one.

 

[Kruska]

I guess you don't see a fundamental difference between an elected government and an autocratic one. I do. Whenever a democratic government does something the majority of voters don't approve of they risk getting thrown out of power. Something autocrats don't have to fear.

I told you, that there is no difference - since it is proven that democratic governments, simply rule as they like. And even if the respective party or coalition is replaced after 4 years - they rule in the exact same manner as the government before them.

The number of violent people is greater in countries where the gov't is not seen as representing the people in question.

Nonsense - there is far less crime, violence and demonstrations in e.g. Vietnam, Singapore, China, N-Korea then any other democratic country.
And again give me a source that would proof, that the majority of people in e.g. Vietnam, Singapore or China would not see themselves as being represented by their government as they would like to be.

Nonsense, however if the government of a country doesn't represent the people being governed, we have an obligation to support the people of that country and not its government.

Other countries are none of your business - get your own democratic countries in line and order first. And no majority at all in Vietnam, Singapore or e.g. China has or will ever ask for Western democratic countries to help them. That is a typical Western countries stereotype illusion - and an excuse to bring in chaos into other countries.

Russia violated international law. Period. If Finland joins NATO will Russia invade them? What about the Baltic states?

Yes - no doubt Russia violated international law, in regards to Ukraine. And so did NATO (unpunished) for a dozen other countries. So what's your failed point?

I have no idea where you get your numbers but it comes down to this. If you want to play ball with the West, you have to follow the rules the West laid down.

See - you just confirmed again your arrogant, democratic warmongering attitude. And keep in mind that the global populations majority is not that of Western democracies.

Is that any different from Russia's support of Syria's hereditary ruler, Bashar al-Assad?

Dummy, Syria is ruled by the Ba‘ath Party - same as Iraq used to be, and they oppose Islamic fundamentalists and those who sponsor it. E.g. Iran, Saudi-Arabia and some of those other Gulf States. And Russia is simply aiding the Ba‘ath party to remain in power - they do not encourage and aid Syria (never have ) to attack neighbor countries.

More nonsense. The US recognizes that Taiwan is a province of China. Judging by the current status of Hong Kong, Taiwan is in no hurry to go down that road.

You are not just ignorant but an obvious denier of facts - independent of the USA "supposedly" recognizing the one country, two systems principal - the USA provides military aid to a province that belongs to China (the biggest joke ever) - it constantly tries to upgrade Taiwan's status to that of an independent country, via pushing for UN affiliated associations e.g. WHO, WTO, etc to grant Taiwan access - whilst sending "official" US government representatives to a Chinese province, with whom they have no official diplomatic status.

The US is constantly since Tsai Ing Wen took control over the Taiwan administration, openly inciting them to declare independence, increased arms supplies considerably. Whilst at the same time though not even being an UNCLOS signatory - trying to provoke a naval/military incident in the South-China-Sea.

Trying to get a warmongering alliance started around the South-China-Sea, via painting China to be an aggressive nation (A nation that hasn't attacked anyone in almost 45 years). Denying or circumventing the fact that ALL South-China-Sea states have laid the same territorial claims amongst each other. Taiwan even more then China and all others.
Lastly the USA has openly and officially declared to support MILITARILY a Taiwan administration that would opt for independence.

So if democrat warmongers want to play ball with countries like e.g. Russia or China - they need to realize that they -NATO- are the intentional initiators of a possible military conflict, which is entirely different from their previous custom, of kicking around economic and military underdogs in the past 33 years.

Again the globalist warmongers are NATO (Those "democratic" countries) - undoubtedly proven and almost non stop since 1990.
But please do show me where a non-democratic country attacked a NATO member, since 1990, or a democratic country - aside from the known cause of the Russia-Ukraine war.

If you can't, keep your "democratic" nonsense to yourself. especially in regards to China, where 80%+ are absolutely not interested in a decadent Western democracy - that only works and acts in regards to elitist circles - furthering their own private $$ agendas on the back of it's population and the destruction of a countries customs and culture.

 

[toomuchtime_]

It's not stupid. The Russians read American sources much more often than Americans (even those, who suppose to do it) read the Russian ones. And their list of restricted-to-discuss matters is much shorter than American one.

You have no idea what the Russians do or don't do, so why do you keep making up these stupid lies?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Actually, with Putin Russian people lives much better than in any other time in history. And, his regime is still good for the significant part of the world. At least it's pragmatic - they don't want to export socialism anymore.

Again, why do you continue to post such stupid lies. What it was put to a vote in the UNGA Russia was condemned by an overwhelming majority of nations.

 

[luiza]

Looks like the US-Ukey Nazi third army is close to being broken .Even the Midget War Criminal can see that the game is almost up -- see below . It is as close to a public admission of failure that you are likely to ever hear from this homicidal narcissist .

JUL
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The situation in the Ukrainian SMO on July 15 2023​

“Strategic Failure for Ukraine” ----CRAZIEST Freudian Slip So Far

Zelensky Raises Alarm Over Russian Attempts to Halt Kiev's Troops - Reuters

Ukrainian President Zelensky cautioned the Ukrainian populace about Russia's intensified efforts to hinder Kiev's troops from advancing in their counter offensive.

Ukrainian military analysts indicated that the Ukrainian forces were encountering challenges in their endeavor to make progress in the southward direction.

“We must all understand very clearly, as clearly as possible, that Russian forces in our southern and eastern lands are doing everything they can in order to stop our soldiers," Zelensky said in his nightly video address.

 

[alang1216]

I told you, that there is no difference - since it is proven that democratic governments, simply rule as they like. And even if the respective party or coalition is replaced after 4 years - they rule in the exact same manner as the government before them.

Every country sees its own interests as most important. I don't think you'd find very many people in the US who think the two parties are exactly alike. They are different enough that over time the path of the US is moved in the direction people choose. That is the strength of democracy and the weakness of authoritarian systems.

Nonsense - there is far less crime, violence and demonstrations in e.g. Vietnam, Singapore, China, N-Korea then any other democratic country.
And again give me a source that would proof, that the majority of people in e.g. Vietnam, Singapore or China would not see themselves as being represented by their government as they would like to be.

China has a repressive government with powerful tools to watch over its people. Just look how the Hong Kong demonstrations were handled or their internet restrictiions. No one out side of China knows what the people really want since they have no voice.

 

[Ringo]

The head of the investigation department of the National Police in Kharkiv Region of Ukraine, Serhiy Bolvinov, has said that his agency has started to enter compatriots who moved from Ukraine to the EU into the Interpol database. This is reported by RIA Novosti.

Bolvinov boasted that the Ukrainian police were the first in the country to start such "cooperation" with Interpol, and called the Ukrainians who left for the EU "traitors".

"We are the first in Ukraine to test a scheme to prevent traitors... 'settle down' and hide in the civilized world," Bolvinov said on social media.

According to him, the agency passes to Interpol information about Ukrainians who position themselves as "victims of war" or political refugees. Bolvinov said that this is how the Ukrainian police will work to return to the country those who, in its opinion, left with violations of the law. He noted that 25 compatriots have already been entered into the database.

Earlier, the speaker of the state border service Andriy Demchenko reported that every day about 20 people are detained in Ukraine in an attempt to illegally cross the border. In addition, almost 150 Ukrainians are refused to leave the state.

In Ukraine since February 24, 2022 the martial law regime has been introduced, a decree on general mobilization is in force, military conscripted men are prohibited from leaving the country. Earlier, the Verkhovna Rada extended martial law and general mobilization until 18 August.
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Does it look like they're going for a second round of bribes? First to get out of the country, now to stay out of the Interpol database.
The funny thing is, it looks like Russia will be the safest place for them.

 

[Kruska]

Every country sees its own interests as most important. I don't think you'd find very many people in the US who think the two parties are exactly alike. They are different enough that over time the path of the US is moved in the direction people choose. That is the strength of democracy and the weakness of authoritarian systems.

Nonsense - even autocratic countries are subjected towards demonstrations and revolutions - e.g. Iran - a formidable and most cruel secret service and it's potent military taken out by a discontent population within weeks and replaced by another autocratic system. And this goes for dozens of countries - only a despotic/idiotic dictator wouldn't recognize the danger of an unlimited policy - same as democracies, endless violent demonstrations and violent strikes and causing huge economic blow-backs to FORCE the government to alter it's cause.

You believe that there was ever a majority in e.g. Germany to abandon nuclear energy? no never, but an absolute minority of radical Lefty&Lib Greens employed the above mentioned violence and tactics for 25 years, causing $ billions of damage to the economy and infrastructure - to FORCE the German government to adhere to their DEMANDS.
And the same fuck ups now, propagate CO2, the reliance of Germany onto Russian gas and oil and the disastrous state of the German Armed Forces - whilst taking in millions of migrants, that the majority in Germany doesn't want. - democracy my ass -

China has a repressive government with powerful tools to watch over its people. Just look how the Hong Kong demonstrations were handled or their internet restrictiions. No one out side of China knows what the people really want since they have no voice.

Foreigners who live and work in China - actually know very well what the Chinese people think of their own government. 80%+ are content and agree with their governments policy. Those who sometimes don't, especially in regards to specific issues - you can see them every day wherever in China demonstrating in public or in the respective online or mobile chats. as long no violence occurs or intentional false information is propagated no one is hindered or arrested. Off course Westerners in majority only listen to those who report negatively and false about China - since it fits their already abstruse mindset.

Have you been to HK during these demonstrations?
There were absolutely no obstructions by the HK nor Mainland police - as long as these demonstrations were peaceful. People who called out for violence, committed violence or laid false claims were being rightfully arrested - do you even recall as to why these demonstrations were initiated? they had factually nothing to do at all with HK liberties.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Silver Cat]

You have no idea what the Russians do or don't do, so why do you keep making up these stupid lies?

Definitely, I know much more about them then you.

 

[ESay]

First of all, they need to finish the existence of the Ukrainian State.

Yeah, Igor, agree here. Preserving the Ukrainian state in any meaningful form is of a strategical importance.

 

[alang1216]

Yes - no doubt Russia violated international law, in regards to Ukraine. And so did NATO (unpunished) for a dozen other countries. So what's your failed point?

You want to talk only Putin but are happy to talk about NATO's history.

See - you just confirmed again your arrogant, democratic warmongering attitude. And keep in mind that the global populations majority is not that of Western democracies.

Refusing to do business with a country is not warmongering, it is the right of every nation to choose who they do business with.

Dummy, Syria is ruled by the Ba‘ath Party - same as Iraq used to be, and they oppose Islamic fundamentalists and those who sponsor it. E.g. Iran, Saudi-Arabia and some of those other Gulf States. And Russia is simply aiding the Ba‘ath party to remain in power - they do not encourage and aid Syria (never have ) to attack neighbor countries.

Ignoramus. Leaving aside the military interactions with Israel and Lebanon, the Ba‘ath Party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Assad family. The father was President his brother was Vice-President and his son is now President. The Assads have ruled Syria for over 50 years.

The US is constantly since Tsai Ing Wen took control over the Taiwan administration, openly inciting them to declare independence, increased arms supplies considerably. Whilst at the same time though not even being an UNCLOS signatory - trying to provoke a naval/military incident in the South-China-Sea.

China is doing its part to provoke an incident there. Making claims on the waters and building military islands.

Trying to get a warmongering alliance started around the South-China-Sea, via painting China to be an aggressive nation (A nation that hasn't attacked anyone in almost 45 years). Denying or circumventing the fact that ALL South-China-Sea states have laid the same territorial claims amongst each other. Taiwan even more then China and all others.
Lastly the USA has openly and officially declared to support MILITARILY a Taiwan administration that would opt for independence.

I think the US has specifically NOT said what they'd do if the Chinese attempted a military invasion of Taiwan.

So if democrat warmongers want to play ball with countries like e.g. Russia or China - they need to realize that they -NATO- are the intentional initiators of a possible military conflict, which is entirely different from their previous custom, of kicking around economic and military underdogs in the past 33 years.

The expression here is that 'it takes two to Tango".

Again the globalist warmongers are NATO (Those "democratic" countries) - undoubtedly proven and almost non stop since 1990.
But please do show me where a non-democratic country attacked a NATO member, since 1990, or a democratic country - aside from the known cause of the Russia-Ukraine war.

So we agree that NATO has been a success.

If you can't, keep your "democratic" nonsense to yourself. especially in regards to China, where 80%+ are absolutely not interested in a decadent Western democracy - that only works and acts in regards to elitist circles - furthering their own private $$ agendas on the back of it's population and the destruction of a countries customs and culture.

Does that 80% number include the Taiwanese, the Tibetans, the Hui Muslims, residents of Hong Kong, and the Uyghurs?

 

[alang1216]

Nonsense - even autocratic countries are subjected towards demonstrations and revolutions - e.g. Iran - a formidable and most cruel secret service and it's potent military taken out by a discontent population within weeks and replaced by another autocratic system. And this goes for dozens of countries - only a despotic/idiotic dictator wouldn't recognize the danger of an unlimited policy - same as democracies, endless violent demonstrations and violent strikes and causing huge economic blow-backs to FORCE the government to alter it's cause.

I think the difference is that democracies will change, authoritarian regimes will break.

Have you been to HK during these demonstrations?

No, have you?

There were absolutely no obstructions by the HK nor Mainland police - as long as these demonstrations were peaceful. People who called out for violence, committed violence or laid false claims were being rightfully arrested - do you even recall as to why these demonstrations were initiated? they had factually nothing to do at all with HK liberties.

You are delusional. China is still trying silence HK dissenters, even those that fled, with bounties on their heads for life.

 

[Litwin]

Ukraine

 

[toomuchtime_]

Definitely, I know much more about them then you.

Your posts show you know nothing about what is going on in Russia or what the Russian government or people are thinking, and that you have no idea what the rest of the world thinks of Russia.

 

[Kruska]

You want to talk only Putin but are happy to talk about NATO's history.

Putin's war with Ukraine is entirely due to NATO's expansionist policy - when are you finally going to understand this?

Refusing to do business with a country is not warmongering, it is the right of every nation to choose who they do business with.

Embargoes and sanctions are political suppression tools - and have nothing to do with refusing to do business. But to blackmail/force another government into submission.

Ignoramus. Leaving aside the military interactions with Israel and Lebanon, the Ba‘ath Party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Assad family. The father was President his brother was Vice-President and his son is now President. The Assads have ruled Syria for over 50 years.

So what? The Lee family in Singapore owns more then half the country and has been ruling now for 60 years. Never made war on anyone - and is respected and approved by more then 70% of Singapore's population. And has never been sanctioned or denounced as being an enemy to democracy or the USA. However you can bet your ass - that if Singapore should openly side with China, that the same day, NATO will denounce them as being a repressive, non-democratic dictatorship.

China is doing its part to provoke an incident there. Making claims on the waters and building military islands.

It's China's territory and front garden - and not that of the USA, 5000mls away, furthermore not being a signatory of UNCLOS, and having incited or initiated every single war since 1990, so fuck off.

I think the US has specifically NOT said what they'd do if the Chinese attempted a military invasion of Taiwan.

You think WRONG - why don't you simply read up Biden's speeches and official declarations in that matter?

The expression here is that 'it takes two to Tango".

Where did Afghanistan "Tango" with the USA/NATO? or Syria? or Serbia, or Libya? or Iraq II? - are you a day-dreamer or what?

So we agree that NATO has been a success.

If it comes to warmongering, destruction and killings - NATO/USA is undoubtedly the world No.1 since 1990. - for you that is obviously a success.

Does that 80% number include the Taiwanese, the Tibetans, the Hui Muslims, residents of Hong Kong, and the Uyghurs?

Taiwan isn't ruled by Beijing you nitwit, the vast majority in HK doesn't have any issues with Beijing - why should they? they live and work exactly just as before, same goes for Macau.
Where is there a problem with Hui Muslims? - you just throw around with meaningless terms.
Tibet - happy as anyone could possibly be - no more illiteracy rate of 90%, no more slavery, great infrastructure, industry and jobs, medical and educational setup just as any other civilized, and non medieval, aristocratic and clerical suppressed population. Again you simply don't know what you talk about.

Uighur's - you know any personally? I do, about a dozen or so.
You have reasons to believe that 18 million Uighur's are unhappy with their lives, because around 200,000 Muslim extremists are imprisoned? because 1-1.5 million is enabled via school/education and vocational training centers to find a decent job, rather then becoming terrorists due to no viable income future - like those Palestinians? or all these millions of Muslim migrants flooding Europe?
You think that 18 million Uighur's are unhappy that 20 years of terrorist acts, killings, bombings and maiming tens of thousands of Uighur's has finally ended since 2018?

These 20 million Uighur's in total, represent not even 2% of China's population - I don't see where e.g. the USA is spending US$ trillions to enhance less then a 2% group of it's population within an own province/state to participate on equal chances within it's own overall society and country.

You obviously got no idea about anything whatsoever, especially in regards to China - only copycat and endless blah blah, the usual lefty&Lib trash and lies spread in the Western MSM to make a proven aggressor like NATO look good, and everyone else as being evil and oppressive. Your knowledge derives from child's coloring-book, that tells you what colors to use.

Therefore I do not see any reasons to "indulge" into further posts with you.

 

[Silver Cat]

Your posts show you know nothing about what is going on in Russia or what the Russian government or people are thinking, and that you have no idea what the rest of the world thinks of Russia.

As I said earlier, I don't know what are they thinking. I know what they are speaking and writing.

 

[Silver Cat]

Yeah, Igor, agree here. Preserving the Ukrainian state in any meaningful form is of a strategical importance.

And Ukraininan government (actually, their puppet-masters - incompetent Biden's team) just eliminated any possibility of it.

 

[ESay]

And Ukraininan government (actually, their puppet-masters - incompetent Biden's team) just eliminated any possibility of it.

Sure, Odesa by September again and Kiev by November?