Why the Roman Catholic Church is the Greatest Organization in the History of the World.

[Votto]

If Peter became the head of the Church, we have no evidence of him acting as if he was the head. We do have evidence of him NOT believing this. We see the first counsel being called in the city of Jerusalem over 10 years after the church began, and Peter, who is the apostle to the Jews and is among them is not ruling this church. James was the head of this church. James took the initiative in the convening council.


Does Jesus say that his church is to be ruled by a single person and from Rome? The New Testament says nothing concerning a Pope, a person or office who has supreme power over the church on earth. Jesus is the only head of the visible and invisible Church throughout the world and throughout time, all Christians are equal members of his spiritual and visible body (Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18-24).

i wonder if Catholic here condemn Martin Luther for taking issue with the Catholic church allowing people to buy their way out of purgatory to fund the Sistine Chapel. LOL.

Or do they take issue with a Pope of today that seems more concerned on giving sermons on the evils of building walls and global warming than the world wide genocide of abortion or going after pedophiles within their own church.

Perhaps this is why so many Catholics seem to vote democrat.

 

[Mashmont]

i wonder if Catholic here condemn Martin Luther for taking issue with the Catholic church allowing people to buy their way out of purgatory to fund the Sistine Chapel. LOL.

Or do they take issue with a Pope of today that seems more concerned on giving sermons on the evils of building walls and global warming than the world wide genocide of abortion or going after pedophiles within their own church.

The harm Martin Luther did to souls is irreparable. The souls he led to hell. So many protestants today aren't sure what they believe, and so they stop attending in droves.

Ah, the pedophile thing again. Yes, we know gay priests infiltrated the church, violated their vows and harmed kids. Fallible people do bad things.
You could examine any other organization and find the same or worse. But Jesus' church's teachings are perfect.

 

[Votto]

Ah, the pedophile thing again. Yes, we know gay priests infiltrated the church, violated their vows and harmed kids. Fallible people do bad things.
You could examine any other organization and find the same or worse. But Jesus' church's teachings are perfect.

The Left is what has infiltrated the church, just like your Left wing Pope.

But the Catholic church has a history of turning a blind eye to the political evils around the world that would threaten them if they spoke out against them.

I contend that the current Pope is just as afraid of the radical Left as they were Hitler back in the day and the National Socialists of old

In fact, how has the Pope spoken out against the Chinese genocide?

Hmm?

 

[Mashmont]

The Left is what has infiltrated the church, just like your Left wing Pope.

But the Catholic church has a history of turning a blind eye to the political evils around the world that would threaten them if they spoke out against them.

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Francis is more leftwing than I like, but none of his pronouncements have violated canonical teaching. You have to also understand the Marxist media is doing their best to make it sound like he said things he didn't say. The goal is to divide.

Please don't post the lie about Pius supporting Nazi Germany. It's false. Pius worked against that regime.
It's bad enough when atheists attack the church, but that's expected. I find it especially troubling, though, when other alleged Christians join forces with them like you're doing.

 

[Votto]

Francis is more leftwing than I like, but none of his pronouncements have violated canonical teaching. You have to also understand the Marxist media is doing their best to make it sound like he said things he didn't say. The goal is to divide.

Please don't post the lie about Pius supporting Nazi Germany. It's false. Pius worked against that regime.

He did not support them, but he did not publicly speak out either.

To speak out means there is a price to pay, like going to the cross and losing all your worldly treasures.

The left is the most successful religion of our era, and I say this as Christian, much to our chame.

 

[Mashmont]

He did not support them, but he did not publicly speak out either.

To speak out means there is a price to pay, like going to the cross and losing all your worldly treasures.

The left is the most successful religion of our era, and I say this as Christian, much to our chame.

Public statements of Pope Pius XII on the Holocaust - Wikipedia

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[The Irish Ram]

His last commandment was "Love one another as I have loved you."

 

[MisterBeale]

". . . Our Lady showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to be under the earth. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in a huge fire, without weight or equilibrium, and amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. The demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repulsive likeness to frightful and unknown animals, all black and transparent. This vision lasted but an instant. How can we ever be grateful enough to our kind heavenly Mother, who had already prepared us by promising, in the first Apparition, to take us to heaven. Otherwise, I think we would have died of fear and terror.. . . "


". . You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.. . "


In a 1980 interview for the German magazine Stimme des Glaubens published in October 1981, John Paul II was asked explicitly to speak about the third secret. He said

"Because of the seriousness of its contents, in order not to encourage the world wide power of Communism to carry out certain coups, my predecessors in the chair of Peter have diplomatically preferred to withhold its publication. On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this much: if there is a message in which it is said that the oceans will flood entire sections of the earth; that, from one moment to the other, millions of people will perish... there is no longer any point in really wanting to publish this secret message. Many want to know merely out of curiosity, or because of their taste for sensationalism, but they forget that 'to know' implies for them a responsibility. It is dangerous to want to satisfy one's curiosity only, if one is convinced that we can do nothing against a catastrophe that has been predicted." He held up his rosary and stated "Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray and ask for nothing else. Put everything in the hands of the Mother of God." Asked what would happen in the Church, he said: "We must be prepared to undergo great trials in the not-too-distant future; trials that will require us to be ready to give up even our lives, and a total gift of self to Christ and for Christ. Through your prayers and mine, it is possible to alleviate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it, because it is only in this way that the Church can be effectively renewed. How many times, indeed, has the renewal of the Church been effected in blood? This time, again, it will not be otherwise. We must be strong, ... we must entrust ourselves to Christ and to His holy Mother, and we must be attentive, very attentive, to the prayer of the Rosary."

According to one source, when Lúcia was asked about the third secret, she said it was "in the Gospels and in the Apocalypse", and at one point had even specified Apocalypse chapters 8 to 13, a range that includes the Book of Revelation 12:4, the chapter and verse cited by Pope John Paul II in his homily in Fátima on 13 May 2000.

 

[bodecea]

The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus. It's perfect and it's teachings are perfect. Anything that deviates from that teaching is manmade, and therefore imperfect. But the faith is what you make of it. YOU have to engage. If you go to Mass and go through the motions without changing your life, that is what YOU choose to do. You can't put it on anybody else. I know MANY Catholics who are strongly engaged great people. The Sacrament of Reconciliations energizes you like no others. All the Sacraments keep you focused on the prize.

No it wasn't.

 

[Colin norris]

Why the Roman Catholic Church is the Greatest Organization in the History of the World.

There are a number of reasons, but they all stem from one main reason: The RCC was founded by Jesus who is perfect, and God’s rules are perfect and loving. And by perfect, that means following God’s rules leads to the best life you can possibly live which not only prepares you for Heaven, but also creates the greatest earthly happiness. This is the part atheists miss.

The Roman Catholic Church has been the single most powerful force for people accomplishing the most and greatest good in the history of the world. Think of the legions of selfless priests, sisters, nuns, missionaries, and consecrated individuals who have devoted their lives to the service of others for little or no financial compensation. They are motivated by something far more powerful than money to do superhuman things.

Take Mother Teresa’s order of nuns, the Missionaries of Charity in Calcutta India. These women work 14-18 hours day caring for the sick in the poorest most dangerous area of the city. They subsist on a nutritious stew for every meal; they have two sets of clothes, one to wash and one to wear; they have forsaken all possessions. Visitors marvel at how 80-year-old sisters can do backbreaking work all day long with a cheerful disposition, day in and day out. It’s because they are moved by God.

The irreligious do not have such a powerful source of motivation.

The canonized Roman Catholic saints are examples of the extreme motivation from God helping them to accomplish unbelievable good on earth. Take St. John Bosco. Turned thousands of delinquent young orphans into solid contributing citizens. His schools didn’t use punishment at all. He used the sacraments of the church plus kind encouraging words. John Bosco once had 800 young delinquents in a large hall, doing school work. It was so quiet, one could hear a pin could drop. Outsiders marveled at how this could be possible. It was God who showed St. John Bosco the way.

What other organization, religious or otherwise, has such a corresponding venerable group as the canonized saints of the Catholic Church; people who live and work among the people they serve and accomplish great things?

From my personal perspective, the RCC offers steady unwavering guidance on the best way to live. I’ve studied all the teachings, and they all make perfect sense to me, though that wasn’t always the case. The rules may sound demanding at first, but once you acclimate yourself they are easy to follow and make life go so much smoother. Compare it to an overweight person who wants to get fit. At first it’s very difficult to give up the the sugary snacks, the fast food, the fries, and the Pepsi. It’s very difficult to get up early, lift weights and do cardio and eat right. But once you do, it’s easy. And so much better.

The Catholic services are the same everywhere you go. Mass is the same. The teachings are the same. God’s laws were the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Maybe 0bama and Hillary, and Biden all changed their ‘core views’ on gay marriage in 2012, but God didn’t change His mind. When I go to Mass, it is the most diverse wonderful place. Many nationalities, every race, every age, rich or poor, most everybody is there because they want to get better in life. Other organizations would die for the diversity we have. Everyone is equal. Everyone is respected. You don’t have to donate to belong, although you should if you can. Nobody will ever ask anyone personally to give. No one will know if you don’t.

Are all Catholics perfect? Of course not. Even though church teaching is infallible, human beings are not. People sometimes disobey God’s perfect teachings, and do bad things. But the instances are relatively few compared to the legions of great people who do great things. There are also some, like pro-abortion politicians who claim to be Catholics, but openly disagree with major Catholic teachings. They intentionally mislead good people, but theirs and others' bad actions in no way diminish the validity of Jesus’ Church.

Jesus’ Church will be with us to the end of time. Again, very comforting. The RCC has a lineage of popes that goes directly back to St. Peter, the Apostle. All the turbulent events of the past 2000 years, the line of pope remains unbroken. That’s proof of Jesus’ promise.

I invite everyone to attend a mass at your local Catholic Church. They’re everywhere. Do it, and your life will be changed. You’ll see everything I listed above.

Well plagairised.
Its a shame the whole lot has the validity of pure air.
You've been conned sucker.

 

[Mashmont]

Well plagairised.
Its a shame the whole lot has the validity of pure air.
You've been conned sucker.

Conned into living a better more selfless life? What's the downside of that?

 

[Mashmont]

No it wasn't.

Are you a chick? I thought you were a guy all this time. Shazam!

 

[Clyde 154]

I do not deny the content of the Bible. I have extirpated your irrational Church teaching irrefutably showing that you understand neither the words or subjects about which you are so dogmatic.

In the process I have revealed the hidden teachings of Jesus and opened the way that leads to eternal life so that anyone with a second grade education and a set of balls could comprehend and do it.

You brazenly defy Divine law, shamelessly perjure yourself in the name of God, openly desecrate the teachings of Jesus, blindly seek spiritual life from the lifeless work of human hands, and celebrate the death of Christ as an expression of your deep love for God and devotion to Jesus,

lol. What a joker!

Pssst! Your sin is as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field.

I always find it amusing when someone like you tells me that I am going to hell without having an inkling that you are already in it.
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Damn. And some people do not believe in curses. Imagine that!

Its nothing more than a "religious" Mafia established by the Roman Empire. Its all about money, power, accolade, and greed.

Its claims to be the only "true" UNIVERSIAL church of Christ Jesus with the authority to establish doctrine via Papal Decree through the enactment of self established tradition. There is a reason they do not use the accepted New Testament Canon.........part of their show production is taken from the Laws and Covenant of Biblical Israel. The clergy walks around in robes like a peacock spreading its feathers to gain attention and present themselves to be superior depending upon their man made offices, they are elected to these positions via men not God.

What traditions do they adhere that are in direct contradiction to the N.T. authorized canon? They claim the Catholic Church has existed since A.D. 30......but history actual dates its beginnings no earlier than when some of their major beliefs were "Codified" (enacted by a legislative body) around A.D. 325 with the first council of Nicaea, with the first Pope not being elected until A.D. 606

Constantine called a council, starting the joining of church and state, A.D., 325 and the council codified some of the traditions that were established by men, not scripture such as Having the water for baptism blessed before use. The separation of Clergy from Laity (members), a practice found under the old law. Special vestments for clergy. Regional meetings for clergy. Sprinkling instead of submersion for infants, the infirmed, and the elderly with the claim that men are born in sin. Making the sign of the cross while praying. Belief in purgatory (a temporay placement for the dead where the forgiveness of sin can be obtained through suffering after death, praying for the dead's salvation....in the belief that a man can find salvation after death)

The list goes on. Prohibition of marriage for the clergy. Head of the elders being called Biship that went into effect in the 3rd century. Then we have Constantine calling for a council in order to Codify these man made traditions in church doctrine.

They began to celebrate that which is not found in the Bible..........EASTER in A.D. 325, again a supposed sabbath (special) day taken from O.T. doctrine. Third person confessions......with a priest standing between man and God A.D. 329. Monastic (the sequestration of clergy) orders dated to the 4th and 5th century. Another "Special Sabbath" not found in the Holy Bible (Christmas or Christ's mass celebrating the supposed date of birth of the Christ child)...... A.D. 360

Theodosius (the last Roman Emperor) declares Christianity a state religion. A.D. 360. Doctrine of once saved always saved traditionally established in A.D. 400. The worship of Mary as the mother of God. A.D. 470 The tradition of bowing or kneeling before graven images of the Saints established tradition. A.D. 500.

There are more traditions established by decree as the years rolled on, such as the idea of the Immaculate conception of Mary. Infallibility of the Pope.

All these man made traditions contradict the actual Christian Doctrine found in the Holy Bible.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Is the Holy Roman Catholic Church the Greatest Organization in the History of the World? Or is it the institution which has played the greatest role in shaping Western Civilization?

Probably true until 1780. That is when the worlds greatest organization began to play the greatest role in shaping the western civilization and progress we now have..

That is the United States of America. The Roman Catholic Church had very little to do with that.

 

[ding]

Probably true until 1780. That is when the worlds greatest organization began to play the greatest role in shaping the western civilization and progress we now have..

That is the United States of America. The Roman Catholic Church had very little to do with that.

I wouldn't call governments... organizations. Can you think of any post 1780 organizations that aren't governmental agencies?

 

[Blackrook]

She was obviously joking.

Wrong.

 

[Colin norris]

Unsealing of Vatican archives will finally reveal truth about ‘Hitler’s pope’

Hitler did a deal with that parasite pope. Those merciful Catholics didnt care about anyone but themselves.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I wouldn't call governments... organizations. Can you think of any post 1780 organizations that aren't governmental agencies?

If we are discussing the role of Catholicism as the major player that brought us to the modern western world I don’t think “organization” is the proper way to refer to the “institution” of the Roman Catholic church. it is an institution that is ‘organized’ around the metaphysical life and teaching of the historical figure and messiah - as in the one and only Son of God and as recorded in the Holy Bible - a book said to be the Only written Word of GOD..

If we want to better understand the history and contributions of all western civilization’s ideas that have brought us to where we are today I say the institution of Roman Catholicism played a major role in shaping Europe until the end of the 18th Century. In the New World, however, there’s three major stories about how it was explored and settled at that time. Three monarchies chose the places. French took the cold climate north of the Great Lakes - They didn’t bring their women too much. The Spaniards took the warm places from Florida to the south they didn’t bring their women too much. Brits brought their women and settled in the most temperate zone between the two. The Roman Church continued influence to the north and the south, but in between - not so much. Very few Catholics were present where all the western civilization game changing was going on. A new “institution” rejected Royalty and the Roman Catholic Church as sovereign authority over the people. I don’t see much input by the Church after 1780 once the new ‘institution’ was ratified in the Constitution of the United States of America. Do you agree with me so far ding ?

 

[Zincwarrior]

The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus. It's perfect and it's teachings are perfect. Anything that deviates from that teaching is manmade, and therefore imperfect. But the faith is what you make of it. YOU have to engage. If you go to Mass and go through the motions without changing your life, that is what YOU choose to do. You can't put it on anybody else. I know MANY Catholics who are strongly engaged great people. The Sacrament of Reconciliations energizes you like no others. All the Sacraments keep you focused on the prize.

No Jesus taught the Way. The RCC is an entity, created by lesser men. It's no better than the Eastern Orthodox church which proceeded it.

 

[MizMolly]

Why the Roman Catholic Church is the Greatest Organization in the History of the World.

There are a number of reasons, but they all stem from one main reason: The RCC was founded by Jesus who is perfect, and God’s rules are perfect and loving. And by perfect, that means following God’s rules leads to the best life you can possibly live which not only prepares you for Heaven, but also creates the greatest earthly happiness. This is the part atheists miss.

The Roman Catholic Church has been the single most powerful force for people accomplishing the most and greatest good in the history of the world. Think of the legions of selfless priests, sisters, nuns, missionaries, and consecrated individuals who have devoted their lives to the service of others for little or no financial compensation. They are motivated by something far more powerful than money to do superhuman things.

Take Mother Teresa’s order of nuns, the Missionaries of Charity in Calcutta India. These women work 14-18 hours day caring for the sick in the poorest most dangerous area of the city. They subsist on a nutritious stew for every meal; they have two sets of clothes, one to wash and one to wear; they have forsaken all possessions. Visitors marvel at how 80-year-old sisters can do backbreaking work all day long with a cheerful disposition, day in and day out. It’s because they are moved by God.

The irreligious do not have such a powerful source of motivation.

The canonized Roman Catholic saints are examples of the extreme motivation from God helping them to accomplish unbelievable good on earth. Take St. John Bosco. Turned thousands of delinquent young orphans into solid contributing citizens. His schools didn’t use punishment at all. He used the sacraments of the church plus kind encouraging words. John Bosco once had 800 young delinquents in a large hall, doing school work. It was so quiet, one could hear a pin could drop. Outsiders marveled at how this could be possible. It was God who showed St. John Bosco the way.

What other organization, religious or otherwise, has such a corresponding venerable group as the canonized saints of the Catholic Church; people who live and work among the people they serve and accomplish great things?

From my personal perspective, the RCC offers steady unwavering guidance on the best way to live. I’ve studied all the teachings, and they all make perfect sense to me, though that wasn’t always the case. The rules may sound demanding at first, but once you acclimate yourself they are easy to follow and make life go so much smoother. Compare it to an overweight person who wants to get fit. At first it’s very difficult to give up the the sugary snacks, the fast food, the fries, and the Pepsi. It’s very difficult to get up early, lift weights and do cardio and eat right. But once you do, it’s easy. And so much better.

The Catholic services are the same everywhere you go. Mass is the same. The teachings are the same. God’s laws were the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Maybe 0bama and Hillary, and Biden all changed their ‘core views’ on gay marriage in 2012, but God didn’t change His mind. When I go to Mass, it is the most diverse wonderful place. Many nationalities, every race, every age, rich or poor, most everybody is there because they want to get better in life. Other organizations would die for the diversity we have. Everyone is equal. Everyone is respected. You don’t have to donate to belong, although you should if you can. Nobody will ever ask anyone personally to give. No one will know if you don’t.

Are all Catholics perfect? Of course not. Even though church teaching is infallible, human beings are not. People sometimes disobey God’s perfect teachings, and do bad things. But the instances are relatively few compared to the legions of great people who do great things. There are also some, like pro-abortion politicians who claim to be Catholics, but openly disagree with major Catholic teachings. They intentionally mislead good people, but theirs and others' bad actions in no way diminish the validity of Jesus’ Church.

Jesus’ Church will be with us to the end of time. Again, very comforting. The RCC has a lineage of popes that goes directly back to St. Peter, the Apostle. All the turbulent events of the past 2000 years, the line of pope remains unbroken. That’s proof of Jesus’ promise.

I invite everyone to attend a mass at your local Catholic Church. They’re everywhere. Do it, and your life will be changed. You’ll see everything I listed above.

According to this Jesus was not the founder of the RNC.

What is the origin of the Roman Catholic Church? | GotQuestions.org

What is the origin of the Roman Catholic Church? When did the Catholic Church begin? Is the Catholic Church a mixture of true Christianity with other non-Christian religions?

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On the contrary. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?

For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine and his successors promoted progressively became a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.