Why The Left Loves Socialism

[Fenton Lum]

Wall Street socialists do excedingly well with it.

How in the world is Wall Street( which essentually funded Hillary Clinton's entire campaign) a socialist entity?

Bailouts? Anyone recall any of that? Totally bipartisan socialism that the world's staunchest "free marketeers" clamored for across both "conservative" and "liberal" administrations?

Bailout which you libs cheered. And the est of the 75% of the country hated.
You were just told that Mrs Clinton was funded by these same corporate officers.

I didn't see any real pushback anywhere, as a meeter of fact, Summers, Geitner, and Paulson all transitioned seamlessly from the Bush into the Obama administrations. You should really think about washing that partisanshit outta your eyes; it's the entire system bub.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Considering Americans don't even have a socialist party I would say they don't love it all. A better question might be why are right wingers so paranoid and afraid of socialism?

Socialism as a method of operating a nation has been shown to be a failure.
If you want socialism, move to a socialist country.

And land in a much better run healthcare system, run for less, with better outcomes.

No cost is not better. Socialized medicine is nothing but rationed care.
There is no such thing as free. someone has to pay. Governments in socialized medicine countries can control the price of medical care, but cannot control the cost. The providers cannot afford to give away their expertise, use of equipment and facilities, the labor costs, etc. Because the medical providers cannot by law charge the correct price to cost amount, they are forced to limit the availability of care.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Wall Street socialists do excedingly well with it.

How in the world is Wall Street( which essentually funded Hillary Clinton's entire campaign) a socialist entity?

Bailouts? Anyone recall any of that? Totally bipartisan socialism that the world's staunchest "free marketeers" clamored for across both "conservative" and "liberal" administrations?

Bailout which you libs cheered. And the est of the 75% of the country hated.
You were just told that Mrs Clinton was funded by these same corporate officers.

I didn't see any real pushback anywhere, as a meeter of fact, Summers, Geitner, and Paulson all transitioned seamlessly from the Bush into the Obama administrations. You should really think about washing that partisanshit outta your eyes; it's the entire system bub.

You did not see it because you were't paying attention.
Don't ******* tell me about partisan.
I know I am a partisan. You should strap on a pair and admit to yours

 

[edward37]

Hows this guys?
Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com
www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism?
socialism definition. An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Considering Americans don't even have a socialist party I would say they don't love it all. A better question might be why are right wingers so paranoid and afraid of socialism?

Socialism as a method of operating a nation has been shown to be a failure.
If you want socialism, move to a socialist country.

And land in a much better run healthcare system, run for less, with better outcomes.

No cost is not better. Socialized medicine is nothing but rationed care.
There is no such thing as free. someone has to pay. Governments in socialized medicine countries can control the price of medical care, but cannot control the cost. The providers cannot afford to give away their expertise, use of equipment and facilities, the labor costs, etc. Because the medical providers cannot by law charge the correct price to cost amount, they are forced to limit the availability of care.

You wish to argue over whether your care is rationed by a government versus an insurance corporation? You might want to look into this some more in terms of how this healthcare system ranks globally relative to other advanced wealthy nations.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I liked being in a socialist organization, the military...

Dims don't serve. Dims take.

Nice one. And thank you for the 20 years I spent serving in an organization that gave you the freedoms you enjoy. You don't deserve those rights because you misuse them.

Now, what is your definition of a Socialist? From what I can see, everyone just north of a closet Axe Wielding Homicidal Maniac you would call a socialist.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, that is what social-ism means; groups rights over individual rights.

You are merely, clueless and Causeless.

No, I'm sorry, that's NOT what Socialism is. Again, you prove your ignorance for everyone to see.

Yes, that is, social-ism.

No it isn't.....Causeless? What the **** does that mean?

Yes, it that is social-ism. The right wing merely has lousy reading comprehension skills.

 

[danielpalos]

Considering Americans don't even have a socialist party I would say they don't love it all. A better question might be why are right wingers so paranoid and afraid of socialism?

Socialism as a method of operating a nation has been shown to be a failure.
If you want socialism, move to a socialist country.

We have the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World.

 

[danielpalos]

I liked being in a socialist organization, the military...

Except the military is not a socialist organization.

Sorry... it's just NOT.

When did you serve? Because it is a socialist organization...The farmer analogy is a dictatorship...

No....Its collectivism.

nope; just communism in action. no social morals for free required when you merely need a "shiny fasces of power" to command (economize).

 

[danielpalos]

yes, socialism starts with a social Contract.

our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror are public sector means of production.

A swimming pool starts with digging a hole in the ground. All holes being dug in the ground are NOT swimming pools. All cakes start with a recipe. All recipes are not for cakes. Marriage starts with a contract but all contracts are not for marriage.

Wars on crime, drugs, poverty and terror are public policies. Again, you ignorantly try to claim something is Socialism that simply isn't. You continue to fail all over the place, defeated by reason and logic.

false analogy, like usual from the right wing.

Government is socialism. A true command economy is pure government. We have a mixed-market economy; part socialism (of government) and part capitalism (and respect for private property).

Public policy is a "public sector means of production" for that social dilemma.

All you're doing is repeating your failed arguments. Sorry, that isn't going to suddenly make them come true, Dorothy!

As I already pointed out, if "government IS socialism" as you keep saying, there is no need for us to ever have come up with the word "socialism" because it would be redundant. Why would humans logically create a term to define something that is already defined? Your argument FAILS the test of simple logic. Obviously, the term "socialism" must mean something besides "government" or it would not exist. So the statement that "government is socialism" is false but it demonstrates your ignorance of what Socialism is.

If you are ignorant of what Socialism is, you have no authority to tell us what is Socialism. You obviously don't know. Therefore, reasonable people can dismiss anything further you have to say on this subject.

yes, the reason we have dictionary definitions, is because the right wing has lousy reading comprehension.

otherwise, we know that socialism starts with a social contract.

Can you name one nation-state that is "communist or socialist" that does Not have Government. It really is that simple; except to the fantastical, right wing.

 

[Boss]

You wish to argue over whether your care is rationed by a government versus an insurance corporation? You might want to look into this some more in terms of how this healthcare system ranks globally relative to other advanced wealthy nations.

The fallacy is in trying to compare our system with other systems. You can't compare them on an objectively even basis. There are numerous reasons for this, namely, the history of governmental regulations mandated on the health care industry in America. We demand and require a level of standards that are the absolute best in terms of quality and procedure. There is no tolerance for anything less than the best when it comes to health care. Other countries may tolerate a lower standard with less regulation or governmental mandate. Having to maintain a superior standard of excellence comes with a price.

So this becomes like trying to compare a Rolls Royce with a Chevy by saying... look at how popular Chevy's are... look how many more people are happy with Chevy's as opposed to Rolls Royce's! Chevy's are much cheaper and are great cars, people who own them are happy with them! We should make Rolls Royce's more like Chevy's because that would be better for everyone! This argument may be true if we ignore the standard of quality demanded in the Rolls Royce and the cost of that quality, and it is all about availability and cost.

 

[Boss]

yes, the reason we have dictionary definitions, is because the right wing has lousy reading comprehension.

otherwise, we know that socialism starts with a social contract.

Can you name one nation-state that is "communist or socialist" that does Not have Government. It really is that simple; except to the fantastical, right wing.

You've become a laughing stock in this thread and I feel it's now beneath my dignity to respond to you further. If you happen to stumble upon a rational argument, I may change my mind, but as of now I am going to disregard your posts.

 

[danielpalos]

Hows this guys?
Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com
www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism?
socialism definition. An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity.

How much cooperation with our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror?

 

[danielpalos]

I liked being in a socialist organization, the military...

Dims don't serve. Dims take.

Nice one. And thank you for the 20 years I spent serving in an organization that gave you the freedoms you enjoy. You don't deserve those rights because you misuse them.

Now, what is your definition of a Socialist? From what I can see, everyone just north of a closet Axe Wielding Homicidal Maniac you would call a socialist.

General Issue, is pure socialism.

 

[Fenton Lum]

You wish to argue over whether your care is rationed by a government versus an insurance corporation? You might want to look into this some more in terms of how this healthcare system ranks globally relative to other advanced wealthy nations.

The fallacy is in trying to compare our system with other systems. You can't compare them on an objectively even basis. There are numerous reasons for this, namely, the history of governmental regulations mandated on the health care industry in America. We demand and require a level of standards that are the absolute best in terms of quality and procedure. There is no tolerance for anything less than the best when it comes to health care. Other countries may tolerate a lower standard with less regulation or governmental mandate. Having to maintain a superior standard of excellence comes with a price.

So this becomes like trying to compare a Rolls Royce with a Chevy by saying... look at how popular Chevy's are... look how many more people are happy with Chevy's as opposed to Rolls Royce's! Chevy's are much cheaper and are great cars, people who own them are happy with them! We should make Rolls Royce's more like Chevy's because that would be better for everyone! This argument may be true if we ignore the standard of quality demanded in the Rolls Royce and the cost of that quality, and it is all about availability and cost.

Isn't that a rather convenient bit of word salad and mental masturbation. Additionally, americans subsidize the lower pricing of pharmaceuticals available to Canadian nationalized healthcare consumers as the pharmaceutical corporations jack up rates on americans to recover the “losses” the Canadian healthcare system negotiates them down to.

 

[thereisnospoon]

yes, socialism starts with a social Contract.

our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror are public sector means of production.

A swimming pool starts with digging a hole in the ground. All holes being dug in the ground are NOT swimming pools. All cakes start with a recipe. All recipes are not for cakes. Marriage starts with a contract but all contracts are not for marriage.

Wars on crime, drugs, poverty and terror are public policies. Again, you ignorantly try to claim something is Socialism that simply isn't. You continue to fail all over the place, defeated by reason and logic.

false analogy, like usual from the right wing.

Government is socialism. A true command economy is pure government. We have a mixed-market economy; part socialism (of government) and part capitalism (and respect for private property).

Public policy is a "public sector means of production" for that social dilemma.

All you're doing is repeating your failed arguments. Sorry, that isn't going to suddenly make them come true, Dorothy!

As I already pointed out, if "government IS socialism" as you keep saying, there is no need for us to ever have come up with the word "socialism" because it would be redundant. Why would humans logically create a term to define something that is already defined? Your argument FAILS the test of simple logic. Obviously, the term "socialism" must mean something besides "government" or it would not exist. So the statement that "government is socialism" is false but it demonstrates your ignorance of what Socialism is.

If you are ignorant of what Socialism is, you have no authority to tell us what is Socialism. You obviously don't know. Therefore, reasonable people can dismiss anything further you have to say on this subject.

The "logic" with the OP and those like him is "we already have socialism. Just not enough socialism. We want 100% socialism."....A want that they do not realize will never be fulfilled.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I liked being in a socialist organization, the military...

Dims don't serve. Dims take.

Nice one. And thank you for the 20 years I spent serving in an organization that gave you the freedoms you enjoy. You don't deserve those rights because you misuse them.

Now, what is your definition of a Socialist? From what I can see, everyone just north of a closet Axe Wielding Homicidal Maniac you would call a socialist.

General Issue, is pure socialism.

You keep point out how everything your eyes see is socialism. However, you insist on demanding socialism.
The logic escapes....

 

[danielpalos]

You wish to argue over whether your care is rationed by a government versus an insurance corporation? You might want to look into this some more in terms of how this healthcare system ranks globally relative to other advanced wealthy nations.

The fallacy is in trying to compare our system with other systems. You can't compare them on an objectively even basis. There are numerous reasons for this, namely, the history of governmental regulations mandated on the health care industry in America. We demand and require a level of standards that are the absolute best in terms of quality and procedure. There is no tolerance for anything less than the best when it comes to health care. Other countries may tolerate a lower standard with less regulation or governmental mandate. Having to maintain a superior standard of excellence comes with a price.

So this becomes like trying to compare a Rolls Royce with a Chevy by saying... look at how popular Chevy's are... look how many more people are happy with Chevy's as opposed to Rolls Royce's! Chevy's are much cheaper and are great cars, people who own them are happy with them! We should make Rolls Royce's more like Chevy's because that would be better for everyone! This argument may be true if we ignore the standard of quality demanded in the Rolls Royce and the cost of that quality, and it is all about availability and cost.

same thing with corporate, nominal tax rates. the right claims our tax rates are too high.

 

[Boss]

Isn't that a rather convenient bit of word salad and mental masturbation. Additionally, americans subsidize the lower pricing of pharmaceuticals available to Canadian nationalized healthcare consumers as the pharmaceutical corporations jack up rates on americans to recover the “losses” the Canadian healthcare system negotiates them down to.

Sorry it was too many words for you to digest, it was only two paragraphs. One of the primary reasons pharmaceutical companies charge high prices is to recoup the cost of research and development of new drugs. These costs are high because we have an impeccable standard that is required for drug approval in America. Again, you are comparing the Rolls Royce with the Chevy.

 

[danielpalos]

yes, the reason we have dictionary definitions, is because the right wing has lousy reading comprehension.

otherwise, we know that socialism starts with a social contract.

Can you name one nation-state that is "communist or socialist" that does Not have Government. It really is that simple; except to the fantastical, right wing.

You've become a laughing stock in this thread and I feel it's now beneath my dignity to respond to you further. If you happen to stumble upon a rational argument, I may change my mind, but as of now I am going to disregard your posts.

Just projection?

Government Is Social-ism.

Can you name one nation-state that is "communist or socialist" that does Not have Government. It really is that simple; except to the fantastical, right wing.