Why the growing use of JUNK MAIL VOTING is so full of fraud!

Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
If there is significant fraud due to mailed in ballets, a recount will not catch it.
You post as if you think it's not possible to place safeguards on mail in ballots. Ballots are not like grocery store coupons that anyone can use. They're coded and can be verified by signatures and scanners and are only mailed out to verified addresses of registered voters.

Not true. Many households received ballots for past residents and dead people.

One should have to request a ballot. Universal mail in balloting is garbage.

You're wrong. I live in a state where every registered voter gets a mail in ballot. We've been doing it for almost 10 years, and we have no problems with it.

What do most people do when they move? A. They contact the PO to have their mail forwarded and B. They contact banks and CC companies to notify them of the change of address. Registered voters are probably even more responsible as a general rule. So, you are wrong that "many" households receive ballots for former residents or dead people. But what does it matter if a few do when they're coded and a verifiable signature is required. Besides, it's a crime with virtually no upside whatsoever for anyone who decides to break the law with major penalties for people who break the law.

Any fraud is at such a small level that the chances of swinging an election one way or the other is almost nil, especially since the fraud would almost certainly be in both directions.

The real kind of fraud one would have to worry about would originate from within the gov't. So, for example, in a state like GA where most of the election officials are Republicans, it's more likely that the fraud would favor Trump, not Biden. But mail in ballots that employ scanners to count the votes gives more power to the voter and less power to election officials who are monitored in person and by camera on-line. It's like having cameras on bank tellers.
What do most people do when they move? A. They contact the PO to have their mail forwarded and B. They contact banks and CC companies to notify them of the change of address.
many apt dwellers dont.....and there are lots of them.....
 
Perhaps Repubs need to learn the fine art of fraud voting

They're already the masters of it, so they need no further training. Cheating is the only way Republicans win now. Why would Republicans be doubling down so hard on every form of cheating if they thought they could win without cheating?

All Republicans know Americans hate their commie dogshit Republican policies. They know they're a tyrannical minority, and they see cheating as their only way to stay in power, to keep that sweet fraud money flowing into their pockets.

What, you all thought it wasn't obivious? Come on. Nothing gets a Republican angrier than pulling him off the gubmint teat, which requires a team of Clydesdales.
 
Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
If there is significant fraud due to mailed in ballets, a recount will not catch it.
You post as if you think it's not possible to place safeguards on mail in ballots. Ballots are not like grocery store coupons that anyone can use. They're coded and can be verified by signatures and scanners and are only mailed out to verified addresses of registered voters.

Not true. Many households received ballots for past residents and dead people.

One should have to request a ballot. Universal mail in balloting is garbage.
How many of those past residents or dead people actually cast a vote? What you fail to understand is that not many individuals will risk a felony to cast a single vote.
When an illegal ballet can be simply dropped in the mail, it can be virtually impossible to trace that ballot back to the person that cast the illegal vote.

As to signature verification, if the signatures are scrutinized very strictly, then a relatively high percentage of legitimate votes will be thrown out because a person's signature can vary. If the signatures are not scrutinized strictly, then non-legit ballots can get through the system.
 
Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
If there is significant fraud due to mailed in ballets, a recount will not catch it.
You post as if you think it's not possible to place safeguards on mail in ballots. Ballots are not like grocery store coupons that anyone can use. They're coded and can be verified by signatures and scanners and are only mailed out to verified addresses of registered voters.

Not true. Many households received ballots for past residents and dead people.

One should have to request a ballot. Universal mail in balloting is garbage.

You're wrong. I live in a state where every registered voter gets a mail in ballot. We've been doing it for almost 10 years, and we have no problems with it.

What do most people do when they move? A. They contact the PO to have their mail forwarded and B. They contact banks and CC companies to notify them of the change of address. Registered voters are probably even more responsible as a general rule. So, you are wrong that "many" households receive ballots for former residents or dead people. But what does it matter if a few do when they're coded and a verifiable signature is required. Besides, it's a crime with virtually no upside whatsoever for anyone who decides to break the law with major penalties for people who break the law.

Any fraud is at such a small level that the chances of swinging an election one way or the other is almost nil, especially since the fraud would almost certainly be in both directions.

The real kind of fraud one would have to worry about would originate from within the gov't. So, for example, in a state like GA where most of the election officials are Republicans, it's more likely that the fraud would favor Trump, not Biden. But mail in ballots that employ scanners to count the votes gives more power to the voter and less power to election officials who are monitored in person and by camera on-line. It's like having cameras on bank tellers.
What do most people do when they move? A. They contact the PO to have their mail forwarded and B. They contact banks and CC companies to notify them of the change of address.
many apt dwellers dont.....and there are lots of them.....
And you base that on what exactly?

I concede that there are people who may not want their address known for a variety of reasons. How likely are those people to register to vote? Not likely at all.
 
Perhaps Repubs need to learn the fine art of fraud voting

They're already the masters of it, so they need no further training. Cheating is the only way Republicans win now. Why would Republicans be doubling down so hard on every form of cheating if they thought they could win without cheating?

All Republicans know Americans hate their commie dogshit Republican policies. They know they're a tyrannical minority, and they see cheating as their only way to stay in power, to keep that sweet fraud money flowing into their pockets.

What, you all thought it wasn't obivious? Come on. Nothing gets a Republican angrier than pulling him off the gubmint teat, which requires a team of Clydesdales.
Both parties spend billions of dollars each major election. IMO, there are people in both parties that will cheat if they can. That's why we need election laws that provide strong safeguards to catch cheating. It's like a corollary to murphy's law. If people can cheat, they will.
 
Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
If there is significant fraud due to mailed in ballets, a recount will not catch it.
You post as if you think it's not possible to place safeguards on mail in ballots. Ballots are not like grocery store coupons that anyone can use. They're coded and can be verified by signatures and scanners and are only mailed out to verified addresses of registered voters.

Not true. Many households received ballots for past residents and dead people.

One should have to request a ballot. Universal mail in balloting is garbage.
How many of those past residents or dead people actually cast a vote? What you fail to understand is that not many individuals will risk a felony to cast a single vote.
When an illegal ballet can be simply dropped in the mail, it can be virtually impossible to trace that ballot back to the person that cast the illegal vote.

As to signature verification, if the signatures are scrutinized very strictly, then a relatively high percentage of legitimate votes will be thrown out because a person's signature can vary. If the signatures are not scrutinized strictly, then non-legit ballots can get through the system.
Baloney.

Sure there is variation on signatures. But when you consider how different the handwriting is from person to person, the variation on a person's signature pales in comparison to different handwriting which is established over an entire lifetime.
 
Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
If there is significant fraud due to mailed in ballets, a recount will not catch it.
You post as if you think it's not possible to place safeguards on mail in ballots. Ballots are not like grocery store coupons that anyone can use. They're coded and can be verified by signatures and scanners and are only mailed out to verified addresses of registered voters.

Not true. Many households received ballots for past residents and dead people.

One should have to request a ballot. Universal mail in balloting is garbage.
How many of those past residents or dead people actually cast a vote? What you fail to understand is that not many individuals will risk a felony to cast a single vote.

Why mail them at all?

One should have to request a mail in ballot. Universal is a bullshit waste of money.
Having to request a mail-in ballot is a bullshit waste of my time. It is also probably cheaper than creating a system to respond to texts, emails, website requests, and phone calls.

So challenging. One has to request an absentee ballot.

All of a sudden you cant figure out how to request a ballot.

Maybe spend less time on this site.
Sorry but you don't have the authority to tell me how to waste my time. If I had the option to vote online I'd be for that too.
 
Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
If there is significant fraud due to mailed in ballets, a recount will not catch it.
You post as if you think it's not possible to place safeguards on mail in ballots. Ballots are not like grocery store coupons that anyone can use. They're coded and can be verified by signatures and scanners and are only mailed out to verified addresses of registered voters.

Not true. Many households received ballots for past residents and dead people.

One should have to request a ballot. Universal mail in balloting is garbage.
How many of those past residents or dead people actually cast a vote? What you fail to understand is that not many individuals will risk a felony to cast a single vote.
When an illegal ballet can be simply dropped in the mail, it can be virtually impossible to trace that ballot back to the person that cast the illegal vote.

As to signature verification, if the signatures are scrutinized very strictly, then a relatively high percentage of legitimate votes will be thrown out because a person's signature can vary. If the signatures are not scrutinized strictly, then non-legit ballots can get through the system.
You're solving a problem that doesn't exist.
 
Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
If there is significant fraud due to mailed in ballets, a recount will not catch it.
You post as if you think it's not possible to place safeguards on mail in ballots. Ballots are not like grocery store coupons that anyone can use. They're coded and can be verified by signatures and scanners and are only mailed out to verified addresses of registered voters.

Not true. Many households received ballots for past residents and dead people.

One should have to request a ballot. Universal mail in balloting is garbage.
How many of those past residents or dead people actually cast a vote? What you fail to understand is that not many individuals will risk a felony to cast a single vote.
When an illegal ballet can be simply dropped in the mail, it can be virtually impossible to trace that ballot back to the person that cast the illegal vote.

As to signature verification, if the signatures are scrutinized very strictly, then a relatively high percentage of legitimate votes will be thrown out because a person's signature can vary. If the signatures are not scrutinized strictly, then non-legit ballots can get through the system.
Baloney.

Sure there is variation on signatures. But when you consider how different the handwriting is from person to person, the variation on a person's signature pales in comparison to different handwriting which is established over an entire lifetime.
Hundreds of thousands of ballots if not millions are counted by people that are not experts in signature verification. Need I say more. If it were checking just a few signatures, I might agree with you.
 
Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
If there is significant fraud due to mailed in ballets, a recount will not catch it.
You post as if you think it's not possible to place safeguards on mail in ballots. Ballots are not like grocery store coupons that anyone can use. They're coded and can be verified by signatures and scanners and are only mailed out to verified addresses of registered voters.

Not true. Many households received ballots for past residents and dead people.

One should have to request a ballot. Universal mail in balloting is garbage.
How many of those past residents or dead people actually cast a vote? What you fail to understand is that not many individuals will risk a felony to cast a single vote.
When an illegal ballet can be simply dropped in the mail, it can be virtually impossible to trace that ballot back to the person that cast the illegal vote.

As to signature verification, if the signatures are scrutinized very strictly, then a relatively high percentage of legitimate votes will be thrown out because a person's signature can vary. If the signatures are not scrutinized strictly, then non-legit ballots can get through the system.
You're solving a problem that doesn't exist.
Let's make sure it doesn't.
 
Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
If there is significant fraud due to mailed in ballets, a recount will not catch it.
You post as if you think it's not possible to place safeguards on mail in ballots. Ballots are not like grocery store coupons that anyone can use. They're coded and can be verified by signatures and scanners and are only mailed out to verified addresses of registered voters.

Not true. Many households received ballots for past residents and dead people.

One should have to request a ballot. Universal mail in balloting is garbage.
How many of those past residents or dead people actually cast a vote? What you fail to understand is that not many individuals will risk a felony to cast a single vote.
When an illegal ballet can be simply dropped in the mail, it can be virtually impossible to trace that ballot back to the person that cast the illegal vote.

As to signature verification, if the signatures are scrutinized very strictly, then a relatively high percentage of legitimate votes will be thrown out because a person's signature can vary. If the signatures are not scrutinized strictly, then non-legit ballots can get through the system.
Baloney.

Sure there is variation on signatures. But when you consider how different the handwriting is from person to person, the variation on a person's signature pales in comparison to different handwriting which is established over an entire lifetime.
Hundreds of thousands of ballots if not millions are counted by people that are not experts in signature verification. Need I say more. If it were checking just a few signatures, I might agree with you.
I bet if my signature was compared to yours they wouldn't be remotely alike.
 
Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
If there is significant fraud due to mailed in ballets, a recount will not catch it.
You post as if you think it's not possible to place safeguards on mail in ballots. Ballots are not like grocery store coupons that anyone can use. They're coded and can be verified by signatures and scanners and are only mailed out to verified addresses of registered voters.

Not true. Many households received ballots for past residents and dead people.

One should have to request a ballot. Universal mail in balloting is garbage.
How many of those past residents or dead people actually cast a vote? What you fail to understand is that not many individuals will risk a felony to cast a single vote.
When an illegal ballet can be simply dropped in the mail, it can be virtually impossible to trace that ballot back to the person that cast the illegal vote.

As to signature verification, if the signatures are scrutinized very strictly, then a relatively high percentage of legitimate votes will be thrown out because a person's signature can vary. If the signatures are not scrutinized strictly, then non-legit ballots can get through the system.
You're solving a problem that doesn't exist.
Let's make sure it doesn't.
Does the same hold true for Global Warming? Doesn't matter if it is a problem or not, let's make sure it doesn't happen.
 
Perhaps Repubs need to learn the fine art of fraud voting

They're already the masters of it, so they need no further training. Cheating is the only way Republicans win now. Why would Republicans be doubling down so hard on every form of cheating if they thought they could win without cheating?

All Republicans know Americans hate their commie dogshit Republican policies. They know they're a tyrannical minority, and they see cheating as their only way to stay in power, to keep that sweet fraud money flowing into their pockets.

What, you all thought it wasn't obivious? Come on. Nothing gets a Republican angrier than pulling him off the gubmint teat, which requires a team of Clydesdales.
lol....they say just about the same thing about your side......you people are so much alike......
 
Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
If there is significant fraud due to mailed in ballets, a recount will not catch it.
You post as if you think it's not possible to place safeguards on mail in ballots. Ballots are not like grocery store coupons that anyone can use. They're coded and can be verified by signatures and scanners and are only mailed out to verified addresses of registered voters.

Not true. Many households received ballots for past residents and dead people.

One should have to request a ballot. Universal mail in balloting is garbage.

You're wrong. I live in a state where every registered voter gets a mail in ballot. We've been doing it for almost 10 years, and we have no problems with it.

What do most people do when they move? A. They contact the PO to have their mail forwarded and B. They contact banks and CC companies to notify them of the change of address. Registered voters are probably even more responsible as a general rule. So, you are wrong that "many" households receive ballots for former residents or dead people. But what does it matter if a few do when they're coded and a verifiable signature is required. Besides, it's a crime with virtually no upside whatsoever for anyone who decides to break the law with major penalties for people who break the law.

Any fraud is at such a small level that the chances of swinging an election one way or the other is almost nil, especially since the fraud would almost certainly be in both directions.

The real kind of fraud one would have to worry about would originate from within the gov't. So, for example, in a state like GA where most of the election officials are Republicans, it's more likely that the fraud would favor Trump, not Biden. But mail in ballots that employ scanners to count the votes gives more power to the voter and less power to election officials who are monitored in person and by camera on-line. It's like having cameras on bank tellers.
What do most people do when they move? A. They contact the PO to have their mail forwarded and B. They contact banks and CC companies to notify them of the change of address.
many apt dwellers dont.....and there are lots of them.....
And you base that on what exactly?

I concede that there are people who may not want their address known for a variety of reasons. How likely are those people to register to vote? Not likely at all.
i was a letter carrier for 33 years.....had an apt route with 6 complexes with a thousand deliveries.....i know what i am talking about....big complexes are hard to keep up with....and how likely are those people to register to vote? .....a hell of a lot of them seemed to be registered at one time since they were getting political mail.....
 
I can't find where there has been voter fraud in any great numbers. Just insinuations by the right wing who can't afford to have all of the working class to vote, especially Blacks. Republicans.... a corrupt and more and more, antiquated party who only serve the very wealthy.
Weird....you just described the Democrat Party to a tee.

"a corrupt and more and more, antiquated party who only serve the very wealthy."

If you live in New York the rich are almost all Democrats. Democrats pretty much only have two classes in their states.....the rich and the poor....thanks to their high taxes.
 
“The handwritten signature is, frankly, a b******* form of authentication,” Siciliano says. “It really has no security value whatsoever, and that applies to all handwritten signatures. Do you think the clerk behind the counter at Wal-Mart is skilled at handwriting analysis? You think, of the hundreds of signatures she looks at every day, she’ll notice the one that’s an imitation? It’s a completely false sense of security.

So with the growing absentee voting trend and politicians WHO know the above to be true, are we really going to have "fair and balanced" elections in the future with more and more absentee balloting?

Look at the attached and tell me the same person signed both documents.
Then consider Of the total Georgia votes of 4,935,487 almost 404,000 absentee ballots didn't have a record of being signed by the voter.

The election office mailed JUNK MAIL BALLOTS to the voting rolls they had.
10% of Americans move per year, in 4 years that could be nearly 40% invalid addresses.
2) The unsolicited (as in absentee ballot) ballot goes to an address that MAY not have the original voter living there any longer.
3) Given the stupidity of most Democrat voters especially knowing that signing a ballot fraudulently could cause imprisonment, these idiots sign and drop in the mail.
4) Election workers than look supposedly at the signature on file and the signed ballot... these workers are NOT experts, much less qualified to verify a signature and in most cases have accepted fraudulent, forged signatures.
5) The ballot is considered valid and counted.
View attachment 478419
Such is the reprehensible right’s desire to suppress the right to vote.
 
“The handwritten signature is, frankly, a b******* form of authentication,” Siciliano says. “It really has no security value whatsoever, and that applies to all handwritten signatures. Do you think the clerk behind the counter at Wal-Mart is skilled at handwriting analysis? You think, of the hundreds of signatures she looks at every day, she’ll notice the one that’s an imitation? It’s a completely false sense of security.

So with the growing absentee voting trend and politicians WHO know the above to be true, are we really going to have "fair and balanced" elections in the future with more and more absentee balloting?

Look at the attached and tell me the same person signed both documents.
Then consider Of the total Georgia votes of 4,935,487 almost 404,000 absentee ballots didn't have a record of being signed by the voter.

The election office mailed JUNK MAIL BALLOTS to the voting rolls they had.
10% of Americans move per year, in 4 years that could be nearly 40% invalid addresses.
2) The unsolicited (as in absentee ballot) ballot goes to an address that MAY not have the original voter living there any longer.
3) Given the stupidity of most Democrat voters especially knowing that signing a ballot fraudulently could cause imprisonment, these idiots sign and drop in the mail.
4) Election workers than look supposedly at the signature on file and the signed ballot... these workers are NOT experts, much less qualified to verify a signature and in most cases have accepted fraudulent, forged signatures.
5) The ballot is considered valid and counted.
View attachment 478419

There was no chain of custody established for a single vote the blob got in 2016. So he was illegitimate too, right?

When you start having massive amounts of arrests due to the supposed fraud...wake me.
 
Of course all the signatures were not verified on the tens of millions of mail in ballots.
and they shouldn't be, but the republicans swear on the signatures.
You're saying there is POTENTIAL fraud, not that there has been ACTUAL fraud of any significance. Very different animals. Certainly the former is true but so is the later. Making mail-in ballots more restrictive is a solution in search of a problem.
ACTUAL fraud of any significance will not be detected unless there are checks in the system that will detect it. The bar owner that doesn't card his customers can easily make the claim that his bar doesn't have a problem with under age drinking.

I am thinking to recount TX and FL next time and every time from now on.
Why not lets use fingerprints or facial recognition technology to identify voters? That way everyone but the cheaters will be happy and nobody really gives a fuck if the cheaters are happy.
 

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