Why Socialism will never work...

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Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production; as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment. Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"social ownership"... means no one owns anything right.
"democratic control of the means of production"... means we all would vote on production.

First of all has "socialism" been successful and if so why isn't the whole world a "socialistic state"?

Examples:
Denmark population: 5,707,251
Denmark has a wide range of welfare benefits that they offer their citizens. As a result, they also have the highest taxes in the world. Equality is considered the most important value in Denmark. Small businesses thrive, with over 70 percent of companies having 50 employees or less.
Health Care?
Their system resembles the AAA service because waiting lists as the rationing mechanism. Because everyone has access to healthcare, patients wait longer times for treatment. Social equality is highly valued in Danish society so citizens readily accept this form of rationing. - See more at: Healthcare problems are universal

Canada population: 35,344,962
Like the Netherlands, Canada also has mostly a free market economy, but has a very extensive welfare system that includes free health and medical care. Canadians remain more open-minded and liberal than Americans, and Canada is ranked as one of the best top five countries to live in by the United Nations and the Human Development Index (HDI) rankings.
Health care?
In 2013, nearly 42,000 Canucks left their homeland to avoid long wait times and inferior care that plagues their centralized health system.

The report from the free-market Fraser Institute found that 41,838 Canadians became “medical tourists” in 2013 and sought care outside of their hockey-loving country. While there were slightly fewer people fleeing the Canadian health system in 2013 than the previous year, the number leaving still amounts to nearly one percent of medical patients in Canada.

“Canadians may leave for a number of reasons including a lack of available resources or appropriate technology, a desire to return more quickly to their lives, to seek out superior quality care, or perhaps to save their own lives or avoid the risk of disability,” Nadeem Ismail, director of health policy studies at the Fraser Institute, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.
Report: Tens of thousands fled socialized Canadian medicine in 2013

Sweden population 9,640,000
Sweden has a large welfare system, but due to a high national debt, required much government intervention in the economy. In Norway, the government controls certain key aspects of the national economy, and they also have one of the best welfare systems in the world, with Norway having one of the highest standards of living in all of Europe. Norway is not a member of the European Union.

Health care?
Swedish was once a health care model for the world. But that is hardly the case anymore.

This is not primarily due to the fact Sweden has become worse - rather it is the case that other countries have improved faster.

That Sweden no longer keeps up with those countries is largely due to its inability to reduce its patient waiting times, which are some of the worst in Europe, as the latest edition of the Euro Health Consumer Index (EHCI) revealed in Brussels on Monday.
'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'


Notice anything in common with these three? Add their entire population and less then 1/6th the USA!

Now that is "single payer" health care systems at their finest as defined by "socialism"!
 
People seem to see some socialist national endeavors as desirable but they don't need the whole nation to go socialistic, only some programs. That may be why so many nations have a mixed economic system, some socialism and some capitalism. It does not have to be all or nothing.
 
I don't understand all the "Socialism" talk. Is it because Bernie calls himself a "Democratic Socialist"? There is a yuuuge difference between living in a capitalistic society that adapts "socialist" programs to support it's poor vs. absolute socialism. I haven't heard anybody talking about going from capitalism to socialism in the US. Please don't use the "slippery slope" argument. When free enterprise fails or takes advantage the government steps in. I don't like big government but I see the reasons why they have stepped in. Our private sector needs to clean itself up and maybe we can start shrinking government.
 
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production; as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment. Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"social ownership"... means no one owns anything right.
"democratic control of the means of production"... means we all would vote on production.

First of all has "socialism" been successful and if so why isn't the whole world a "socialistic state"?

Examples:
Denmark population: 5,707,251
Denmark has a wide range of welfare benefits that they offer their citizens. As a result, they also have the highest taxes in the world. Equality is considered the most important value in Denmark. Small businesses thrive, with over 70 percent of companies having 50 employees or less.
Health Care?
Their system resembles the AAA service because waiting lists as the rationing mechanism. Because everyone has access to healthcare, patients wait longer times for treatment. Social equality is highly valued in Danish society so citizens readily accept this form of rationing. - See more at: Healthcare problems are universal

Canada population: 35,344,962
Like the Netherlands, Canada also has mostly a free market economy, but has a very extensive welfare system that includes free health and medical care. Canadians remain more open-minded and liberal than Americans, and Canada is ranked as one of the best top five countries to live in by the United Nations and the Human Development Index (HDI) rankings.
Health care?
In 2013, nearly 42,000 Canucks left their homeland to avoid long wait times and inferior care that plagues their centralized health system.

The report from the free-market Fraser Institute found that 41,838 Canadians became “medical tourists” in 2013 and sought care outside of their hockey-loving country. While there were slightly fewer people fleeing the Canadian health system in 2013 than the previous year, the number leaving still amounts to nearly one percent of medical patients in Canada.

“Canadians may leave for a number of reasons including a lack of available resources or appropriate technology, a desire to return more quickly to their lives, to seek out superior quality care, or perhaps to save their own lives or avoid the risk of disability,” Nadeem Ismail, director of health policy studies at the Fraser Institute, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.
Report: Tens of thousands fled socialized Canadian medicine in 2013

Sweden population 9,640,000
Sweden has a large welfare system, but due to a high national debt, required much government intervention in the economy. In Norway, the government controls certain key aspects of the national economy, and they also have one of the best welfare systems in the world, with Norway having one of the highest standards of living in all of Europe. Norway is not a member of the European Union.

Health care?
Swedish was once a health care model for the world. But that is hardly the case anymore.

This is not primarily due to the fact Sweden has become worse - rather it is the case that other countries have improved faster.

That Sweden no longer keeps up with those countries is largely due to its inability to reduce its patient waiting times, which are some of the worst in Europe, as the latest edition of the Euro Health Consumer Index (EHCI) revealed in Brussels on Monday.
'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'


Notice anything in common with these three? Add their entire population and less then 1/6th the USA!

Now that is "single payer" health care systems at their finest as defined by "socialism"!
The Daily Caller, how appropriate.
 
What's weird is Europe and eastern Asia that has a lot of socialist elements have some of the highest gdp capital on this planet. Not bad for something that doesn't work...

If you asked me about castro or some dictatorship that doesn't allow a private sector,,,well, I'd agree with you. But you don't know what you're talking about.
 
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production; as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment. Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"social ownership"... means no one owns anything right.
"democratic control of the means of production"... means we all would vote on production.

First of all has "socialism" been successful and if so why isn't the whole world a "socialistic state"?

Examples:
Denmark population: 5,707,251
Denmark has a wide range of welfare benefits that they offer their citizens. As a result, they also have the highest taxes in the world. Equality is considered the most important value in Denmark. Small businesses thrive, with over 70 percent of companies having 50 employees or less.
Health Care?
Their system resembles the AAA service because waiting lists as the rationing mechanism. Because everyone has access to healthcare, patients wait longer times for treatment. Social equality is highly valued in Danish society so citizens readily accept this form of rationing. - See more at: Healthcare problems are universal

Canada population: 35,344,962
Like the Netherlands, Canada also has mostly a free market economy, but has a very extensive welfare system that includes free health and medical care. Canadians remain more open-minded and liberal than Americans, and Canada is ranked as one of the best top five countries to live in by the United Nations and the Human Development Index (HDI) rankings.
Health care?
In 2013, nearly 42,000 Canucks left their homeland to avoid long wait times and inferior care that plagues their centralized health system.

The report from the free-market Fraser Institute found that 41,838 Canadians became “medical tourists” in 2013 and sought care outside of their hockey-loving country. While there were slightly fewer people fleeing the Canadian health system in 2013 than the previous year, the number leaving still amounts to nearly one percent of medical patients in Canada.

“Canadians may leave for a number of reasons including a lack of available resources or appropriate technology, a desire to return more quickly to their lives, to seek out superior quality care, or perhaps to save their own lives or avoid the risk of disability,” Nadeem Ismail, director of health policy studies at the Fraser Institute, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.
Report: Tens of thousands fled socialized Canadian medicine in 2013

Sweden population 9,640,000
Sweden has a large welfare system, but due to a high national debt, required much government intervention in the economy. In Norway, the government controls certain key aspects of the national economy, and they also have one of the best welfare systems in the world, with Norway having one of the highest standards of living in all of Europe. Norway is not a member of the European Union.

Health care?
Swedish was once a health care model for the world. But that is hardly the case anymore.

This is not primarily due to the fact Sweden has become worse - rather it is the case that other countries have improved faster.

That Sweden no longer keeps up with those countries is largely due to its inability to reduce its patient waiting times, which are some of the worst in Europe, as the latest edition of the Euro Health Consumer Index (EHCI) revealed in Brussels on Monday.
'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'


Notice anything in common with these three? Add their entire population and less then 1/6th the USA!

Now that is "single payer" health care systems at their finest as defined by "socialism"!
Because it's a stupid idea to start with, and only gullible Lemmings Believe in a fairy tale of the such...
 
What's weird is Europe and eastern Asia that has a lot of socialist elements have some of the highest gdp capital on this planet. Not bad for something that doesn't work...

If you asked me about castro or some dictatorship that doesn't allow a private sector,,,well, I'd agree with you. But you don't know what you're talking about.


You wrote: "What's weird is Europe and eastern Asia that has a lot of socialist elements have some of the highest gdp capital on this planet. "
World GDP Ranking 2015 - StatisticsTimes.com

"Highest gdp"? Outside of China which by shear population is the 2nd highest as it ranks 75 per capita while non-socialist country of USA
is the largest on the planet ! So tell me again where socialism is so successful? None of the below countries save China/Russia are socialists.

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Socialism is for mindless lemmings, who always think the grass is greener on the other side...
 
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production; as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment. Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"social ownership"... means no one owns anything right.
"democratic control of the means of production"... means we all would vote on production.

First of all has "socialism" been successful and if so why isn't the whole world a "socialistic state"?

Examples:
Denmark population: 5,707,251
Denmark has a wide range of welfare benefits that they offer their citizens. As a result, they also have the highest taxes in the world. Equality is considered the most important value in Denmark. Small businesses thrive, with over 70 percent of companies having 50 employees or less.
Health Care?
Their system resembles the AAA service because waiting lists as the rationing mechanism. Because everyone has access to healthcare, patients wait longer times for treatment. Social equality is highly valued in Danish society so citizens readily accept this form of rationing. - See more at: Healthcare problems are universal

Canada population: 35,344,962
Like the Netherlands, Canada also has mostly a free market economy, but has a very extensive welfare system that includes free health and medical care. Canadians remain more open-minded and liberal than Americans, and Canada is ranked as one of the best top five countries to live in by the United Nations and the Human Development Index (HDI) rankings.
Health care?
In 2013, nearly 42,000 Canucks left their homeland to avoid long wait times and inferior care that plagues their centralized health system.

The report from the free-market Fraser Institute found that 41,838 Canadians became “medical tourists” in 2013 and sought care outside of their hockey-loving country. While there were slightly fewer people fleeing the Canadian health system in 2013 than the previous year, the number leaving still amounts to nearly one percent of medical patients in Canada.

“Canadians may leave for a number of reasons including a lack of available resources or appropriate technology, a desire to return more quickly to their lives, to seek out superior quality care, or perhaps to save their own lives or avoid the risk of disability,” Nadeem Ismail, director of health policy studies at the Fraser Institute, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.
Report: Tens of thousands fled socialized Canadian medicine in 2013

Sweden population 9,640,000
Sweden has a large welfare system, but due to a high national debt, required much government intervention in the economy. In Norway, the government controls certain key aspects of the national economy, and they also have one of the best welfare systems in the world, with Norway having one of the highest standards of living in all of Europe. Norway is not a member of the European Union.

Health care?
Swedish was once a health care model for the world. But that is hardly the case anymore.

This is not primarily due to the fact Sweden has become worse - rather it is the case that other countries have improved faster.

That Sweden no longer keeps up with those countries is largely due to its inability to reduce its patient waiting times, which are some of the worst in Europe, as the latest edition of the Euro Health Consumer Index (EHCI) revealed in Brussels on Monday.
'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'


Notice anything in common with these three? Add their entire population and less then 1/6th the USA!

Now that is "single payer" health care systems at their finest as defined by "socialism"!
Because it's a stupid idea to start with, and only gullible Lemmings Believe in a fairy tale of the such...
Well it has been around for a long time and doesn't seem to be going away, if fact, with the scare tactic that socialism is communism pretty much erased, socialism seems to be growing, again, not with nations but as selective programs.
 
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production; as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment. Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"social ownership"... means no one owns anything right.
"democratic control of the means of production"... means we all would vote on production.

First of all has "socialism" been successful and if so why isn't the whole world a "socialistic state"?

Examples:
Denmark population: 5,707,251
Denmark has a wide range of welfare benefits that they offer their citizens. As a result, they also have the highest taxes in the world. Equality is considered the most important value in Denmark. Small businesses thrive, with over 70 percent of companies having 50 employees or less.
Health Care?
Their system resembles the AAA service because waiting lists as the rationing mechanism. Because everyone has access to healthcare, patients wait longer times for treatment. Social equality is highly valued in Danish society so citizens readily accept this form of rationing. - See more at: Healthcare problems are universal

Canada population: 35,344,962
Like the Netherlands, Canada also has mostly a free market economy, but has a very extensive welfare system that includes free health and medical care. Canadians remain more open-minded and liberal than Americans, and Canada is ranked as one of the best top five countries to live in by the United Nations and the Human Development Index (HDI) rankings.
Health care?
In 2013, nearly 42,000 Canucks left their homeland to avoid long wait times and inferior care that plagues their centralized health system.

The report from the free-market Fraser Institute found that 41,838 Canadians became “medical tourists” in 2013 and sought care outside of their hockey-loving country. While there were slightly fewer people fleeing the Canadian health system in 2013 than the previous year, the number leaving still amounts to nearly one percent of medical patients in Canada.

“Canadians may leave for a number of reasons including a lack of available resources or appropriate technology, a desire to return more quickly to their lives, to seek out superior quality care, or perhaps to save their own lives or avoid the risk of disability,” Nadeem Ismail, director of health policy studies at the Fraser Institute, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.
Report: Tens of thousands fled socialized Canadian medicine in 2013

Sweden population 9,640,000
Sweden has a large welfare system, but due to a high national debt, required much government intervention in the economy. In Norway, the government controls certain key aspects of the national economy, and they also have one of the best welfare systems in the world, with Norway having one of the highest standards of living in all of Europe. Norway is not a member of the European Union.

Health care?
Swedish was once a health care model for the world. But that is hardly the case anymore.

This is not primarily due to the fact Sweden has become worse - rather it is the case that other countries have improved faster.

That Sweden no longer keeps up with those countries is largely due to its inability to reduce its patient waiting times, which are some of the worst in Europe, as the latest edition of the Euro Health Consumer Index (EHCI) revealed in Brussels on Monday.
'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'


Notice anything in common with these three? Add their entire population and less then 1/6th the USA!

Now that is "single payer" health care systems at their finest as defined by "socialism"!


Incorrect.


Socialism works very well if you are a Communist Party Official or Commissar, They get the best, including private healthcare.

The Commissars also get their dicks sucked by dedicated loyalists like "bulldog".

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What's weird is Europe and eastern Asia that has a lot of socialist elements have some of the highest gdp capital on this planet. Not bad for something that doesn't work...

If you asked me about castro or some dictatorship that doesn't allow a private sector,,,well, I'd agree with you. But you don't know what you're talking about.


You wrote: "What's weird is Europe and eastern Asia that has a lot of socialist elements have some of the highest gdp capital on this planet. "
World GDP Ranking 2015 - StatisticsTimes.com

"Highest gdp"? Outside of China which by shear population is the 2nd highest as it ranks 75 per capita while non-socialist country of USA
is the largest on the planet ! So tell me again where socialism is so successful? None of the below countries save China/Russia are socialists.

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Well, saints preserve us; those damn capitalists in the United States sure don't have a clue, now do they. Why hell, we should all go out and vote for the BERN to right this terrible ship of state, and become like most everyone else.

It is DUMB when you allow someone to destroy you. It is even DUMBER when you decide to destroy yourselves!
 
What's weird is Europe and eastern Asia that has a lot of socialist elements have some of the highest gdp capital on this planet. Not bad for something that doesn't work...

If you asked me about castro or some dictatorship that doesn't allow a private sector,,,well, I'd agree with you. But you don't know what you're talking about.


You wrote: "What's weird is Europe and eastern Asia that has a lot of socialist elements have some of the highest gdp capital on this planet. "
World GDP Ranking 2015 - StatisticsTimes.com

"Highest gdp"? Outside of China which by shear population is the 2nd highest as it ranks 75 per capita while non-socialist country of USA
is the largest on the planet ! So tell me again where socialism is so successful? None of the below countries save China/Russia are socialists.

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Haha, I thought we were socialist?? I mean we have been under Liberal Democratic Rule (aka. Socialism) over the past 7 years. Since we are number 1 does that prove success?
 
Those countries u listed rank highest in happiest places to live .
 
Those countries u listed rank highest in happiest places to live .

Of course they are, lol. The United States capitalist dogs protect you, and you fleece everyone else so you can sit home and smoke bong!

Wait till they have to pay for our protection, and lets see how they like investing money in THEIR OWN NATIONAL SECURITY as their taxes go from 60%, to 85%!
 

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