Why so much hate for the Confederacy.? It can't be about slavery.

[reconmark]

Not very clever of you...simply a little bait and switch.
The question is the fact that the South went to war to maintain and expand the institution of chattel slavery.
It's plainly a matter of fact and record.

That is absolute nonsense.

If it is as you say a "matter of fact and record," document that absurd statement. Show us that record.

Along with the corner Stone speech just about every traitorous state that wanted to fight to maintain slavery explicitly stated so in their articles of succession...
Sorry if you that ignorant of history.

 

[reconmark]

Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the “storm came and the wind blew, it fell.” Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.

The opinion that blacks not being equal to the white man was shared by many during that time. That of course doesn't make it right, but you do have to understand the times.

Africans sold other Africans into slavery, that is an irrefutable fact. Of course ignorant people like to think that whites went and kidnapped these poor souls out of their mud huts.

Wow...yet another failed attempt at deflection...

Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the “storm came and the wind blew, it fell.” Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.[

You think repeating yourself is going to make a difference?

Fact is, slavery was an acceptable practice at one time. While there were those that disagreed with the practice, it was perfectly legal. Deal with it.

However your lie is that it wasn't a major justification by the south for war...
Now you are attempting to squirm away from your earlier ignorance???
what a cockroach...

 

[reconmark]

And this:

Here's a question you MAY be intelligent enough to answer.
Where in ANY African culture was "Chattel" slavery practiced???
Where in the American south was chattel slavery NOT practiced???

That is irrelevant.

Of course you would think it's irrelevant when it makes your prior post an exercise in ignorance...

No moron, it's irrelevant because it has nothing to do with my post. That is what "irrelevant" means idiot.

Is it always this easy to make your posts appear as stupid as you???

 

[PredFan]

And this:

Here's a question you MAY be intelligent enough to answer.
Where in ANY African culture was "Chattel" slavery practiced???
Where in the American south was chattel slavery NOT practiced???

That is irrelevant.

Of course you would think it's irrelevant when it makes your prior post an exercise in ignorance...

No moron, it's irrelevant because it has nothing to do with my post. That is what "irrelevant" means idiot.

Is it always this easy to make your posts appear as stupid as you???

You don't really know what "irrelevant" means do you? I didn't think so.

 

[reconmark]

Here's a question you MAY be intelligent enough to answer.
Where in ANY African culture was "Chattel" slavery practiced???
Where in the American south was chattel slavery NOT practiced???

That is irrelevant.

Of course you would think it's irrelevant when it makes your prior post an exercise in ignorance...

No moron, it's irrelevant because it has nothing to do with my post. That is what "irrelevant" means idiot.

Is it always this easy to make your posts appear as stupid as you???

You don't really know what "irrelevant" means do you? I didn't think so.

Is this the best you can offer when made the fool???

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Your concession is duly noted.

So now you are trying to suggest that the reports and articles of this speech are figments of the reporter's imagination???...stop being a willfully dumb ass.

Not at all, I'm saying that it wasn't as accurate as some believe, Stephens himself said the reporters article was inaccurate in some of the things he said. To better understand what Stephens was speaking about is to better understand the man himself. He actually voted against secession in the convention, he believed that whites were superior and subordination was natural and normal. He believed it was the duty of the superior race to provide work, food, and housing for blacks. Almost every one of his slaves chose to remain working for him after emancipation for little or no money and these servants stayed with him until his death.

Ooops! Stephens not only said they were fighting over slavery, Stephens actually doubled down on his cornerstone speech. His issue was was not with the reporter. He was concerned that it made it seem like he speaking badly about the founding fathers. You stay looking like an idiot.

Alexander Stephens Reinforces The Cornerstone CIVIL WAR MEMORY




Here is where he doubles down on saying slavery was the reason the losers went to war.

"The order of subordination was nature’s great law; philosophy taught that order as the normal condition of the African amongst European races. Upon this recognized principle of a proper subordination, let it be called slavery or what not, our State institutions were formed and rested. The new Confederation was entered into with this distinct understanding."

They will also try to tell you that there is absolutely nothing racist about the idea of "proper subordination" or the flags that flew for that cause. These fools have themselves completely twisted up trying to spin this.

The US flag flew over slave states as well. Want to ban that flag too?

No. Do you? That flag flew in defense of the Union and represents the destruction of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Not at all, I'm saying that it wasn't as accurate as some believe, Stephens himself said the reporters article was inaccurate in some of the things he said. To better understand what Stephens was speaking about is to better understand the man himself. He actually voted against secession in the convention, he believed that whites were superior and subordination was natural and normal. He believed it was the duty of the superior race to provide work, food, and housing for blacks. Almost every one of his slaves chose to remain working for him after emancipation for little or no money and these servants stayed with him until his death.

Ooops! Stephens not only said they were fighting over slavery, Stephens actually doubled down on his cornerstone speech. His issue was was not with the reporter. He was concerned that it made it seem like he speaking badly about the founding fathers. You stay looking like an idiot.

Alexander Stephens Reinforces The Cornerstone CIVIL WAR MEMORY




Here is where he doubles down on saying slavery was the reason the losers went to war.

"The order of subordination was nature’s great law; philosophy taught that order as the normal condition of the African amongst European races. Upon this recognized principle of a proper subordination, let it be called slavery or what not, our State institutions were formed and rested. The new Confederation was entered into with this distinct understanding."

They will also try to tell you that there is absolutely nothing racist about the idea of "proper subordination" or the flags that flew for that cause. These fools have themselves completely twisted up trying to spin this.

The US flag flew over slave states as well. Want to ban that flag too?

The U.S. Flag was never the standard for idiots attempting to cede from the union in a quest to maintain chattel slavery...not even a nice try on your part.

Now back to your lies concerning the cornerstone speech...

Wow..... another idiot that thinks that ninety percent of southerners would go to war to benefit the ten percent of slaveholders.

Yet they did. They were probably just as backward ass and as gullible as you.

 

[PredFan]

That is irrelevant.

Of course you would think it's irrelevant when it makes your prior post an exercise in ignorance...

No moron, it's irrelevant because it has nothing to do with my post. That is what "irrelevant" means idiot.

Is it always this easy to make your posts appear as stupid as you???

You don't really know what "irrelevant" means do you? I didn't think so.

Is this the best you can offer when made the fool???

Ok, what are you ten years old? Does your mom know you are playing on the computer? I'm done gain saying with a pre-teen. Good luck idiot.

 

[reconmark]

Of course you would think it's irrelevant when it makes your prior post an exercise in ignorance...

No moron, it's irrelevant because it has nothing to do with my post. That is what "irrelevant" means idiot.

Is it always this easy to make your posts appear as stupid as you???

You don't really know what "irrelevant" means do you? I didn't think so.

Is this the best you can offer when made the fool???

Ok, what are you ten years old? Does your mom know you are playing on the computer? I'm done gain saying with a pre-teen. Good luck idiot.

Really this is your attempt at a rebuttal...

 

[cnm]

Wow..... another idiot that thinks that ninety percent of southerners would go to war to benefit the ten percent of slaveholders.

Coercion will do it.

The Draft in the Civil War

http://www.u-s-history.com

The South instituted a draft in 1862, requiring three years of service for those selected between the ages of 18 and 35; later, as the war prospects dimmed, the pool was enlarged by taking in ages 17 to 50. A large number of exemptions were allowed and there were provisions for substitutions.​

 

[cnm]

Of course the problem the seceding states had with states' rights was the right to assert and maintain slavery.

The Reasons for Secession
The Reasons for Secession

One method by which to analyze this historical conflict is to focus on primary sources. Every state in the Confederacy issued an “Article of Secession” declaring their break from the Union. Four states went further. Texas, Mississippi, Georgia and South Carolina all issued additional documents, usually referred to as the “Declarations of Causes," which explain their decision to leave the Union. The documents can be found in their entirety here.

Two major themes emerge in these documents: slavery and states' rights. All four states strongly defend slavery while making varying claims related to states' rights. Other grievances, such as economic exploitation and the role of the military, receive limited attention in some of the documents. This article will present, in detail, everything that was said in the Declarations of Causes pertaining to these topics.

These charts show how many words were devoted to the issues raised in each state's Declaration as a percentage of the whole. "Context" refers to procedural language and/or historical exposition that is not connected to a specific argument.

 

[Politico]

so you got tea bagged?......hey shit happens....

Your mom called. You are 35. It's time to move out.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the “storm came and the wind blew, it fell.” Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.

The opinion that blacks not being equal to the white man was shared by many during that time. That of course doesn't make it right, but you do have to understand the times.

Africans sold other Africans into slavery, that is an irrefutable fact. Of course ignorant people like to think that whites went and kidnapped these poor souls out of their mud huts.

Wow...yet another failed attempt at deflection...

Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the “storm came and the wind blew, it fell.” Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.[

You think repeating yourself is going to make a difference?

Fact is, slavery was an acceptable practice at one time. While there were those that disagreed with the practice, it was perfectly legal. Deal with it.

However your lie is that it wasn't a major justification by the south for war...
Now you are attempting to squirm away from your earlier ignorance???
what a cockroach...

It wasn't a major aspect, it was just one issue out of many. The major one was states rights.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

So now you are trying to suggest that the reports and articles of this speech are figments of the reporter's imagination???...stop being a willfully dumb ass.

Not at all, I'm saying that it wasn't as accurate as some believe, Stephens himself said the reporters article was inaccurate in some of the things he said. To better understand what Stephens was speaking about is to better understand the man himself. He actually voted against secession in the convention, he believed that whites were superior and subordination was natural and normal. He believed it was the duty of the superior race to provide work, food, and housing for blacks. Almost every one of his slaves chose to remain working for him after emancipation for little or no money and these servants stayed with him until his death.

Ooops! Stephens not only said they were fighting over slavery, Stephens actually doubled down on his cornerstone speech. His issue was was not with the reporter. He was concerned that it made it seem like he speaking badly about the founding fathers. You stay looking like an idiot.

Alexander Stephens Reinforces The Cornerstone CIVIL WAR MEMORY




Here is where he doubles down on saying slavery was the reason the losers went to war.

"The order of subordination was nature’s great law; philosophy taught that order as the normal condition of the African amongst European races. Upon this recognized principle of a proper subordination, let it be called slavery or what not, our State institutions were formed and rested. The new Confederation was entered into with this distinct understanding."

They will also try to tell you that there is absolutely nothing racist about the idea of "proper subordination" or the flags that flew for that cause. These fools have themselves completely twisted up trying to spin this.

The US flag flew over slave states as well. Want to ban that flag too?

No. Do you? That flag flew in defense of the Union and represents the destruction of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow.

That's why the KKK flew it huh?

kkk US flag - Google Search

 

[rdean]

There were four UNION STATES, KY MD MO DE, that had legal slavery during the civil war. Those 4 states had a combined total of 400,000 slaves.!! Yes, the south had 3.6 million slaves but the point remains that both sides had slave states .

For the 8 millionth time, the CW was not about slavery. The idea is absurd. The media is telling another of it's whopper lies.

Look at your avatar. Why so much hate FROM the confederacy.

 

[cnm]

It wasn't a major aspect, it was just one issue out of many. The major one was states rights.

Woo hoo! Texan text books.

All hat...

 

[Harry Dresden]

so you got tea bagged?......hey shit happens....

Your mom called. You are 35. It's time to move out.

see this is what im saying politico....everyone to you is a "millennial"....i moved out at 19 and never looked back,and was born kinda before 1980....dont let the obsession get to you.....then you will be like your buddy dean....

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Not at all, I'm saying that it wasn't as accurate as some believe, Stephens himself said the reporters article was inaccurate in some of the things he said. To better understand what Stephens was speaking about is to better understand the man himself. He actually voted against secession in the convention, he believed that whites were superior and subordination was natural and normal. He believed it was the duty of the superior race to provide work, food, and housing for blacks. Almost every one of his slaves chose to remain working for him after emancipation for little or no money and these servants stayed with him until his death.

Ooops! Stephens not only said they were fighting over slavery, Stephens actually doubled down on his cornerstone speech. His issue was was not with the reporter. He was concerned that it made it seem like he speaking badly about the founding fathers. You stay looking like an idiot.

Alexander Stephens Reinforces The Cornerstone CIVIL WAR MEMORY




Here is where he doubles down on saying slavery was the reason the losers went to war.

"The order of subordination was nature’s great law; philosophy taught that order as the normal condition of the African amongst European races. Upon this recognized principle of a proper subordination, let it be called slavery or what not, our State institutions were formed and rested. The new Confederation was entered into with this distinct understanding."

They will also try to tell you that there is absolutely nothing racist about the idea of "proper subordination" or the flags that flew for that cause. These fools have themselves completely twisted up trying to spin this.

The US flag flew over slave states as well. Want to ban that flag too?

No. Do you? That flag flew in defense of the Union and represents the destruction of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow.

That's why the KKK flew it huh?

kkk US flag - Google Search

They probably flew it for the same reason as everyone else. Because they are American. Spin on jackass.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Ooops! Stephens not only said they were fighting over slavery, Stephens actually doubled down on his cornerstone speech. His issue was was not with the reporter. He was concerned that it made it seem like he speaking badly about the founding fathers. You stay looking like an idiot.

Alexander Stephens Reinforces The Cornerstone CIVIL WAR MEMORY




Here is where he doubles down on saying slavery was the reason the losers went to war.

"The order of subordination was nature’s great law; philosophy taught that order as the normal condition of the African amongst European races. Upon this recognized principle of a proper subordination, let it be called slavery or what not, our State institutions were formed and rested. The new Confederation was entered into with this distinct understanding."

They will also try to tell you that there is absolutely nothing racist about the idea of "proper subordination" or the flags that flew for that cause. These fools have themselves completely twisted up trying to spin this.

The US flag flew over slave states as well. Want to ban that flag too?

No. Do you? That flag flew in defense of the Union and represents the destruction of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow.

That's why the KKK flew it huh?

kkk US flag - Google Search

They probably flew it for the same reason as everyone else. Because they are American. Spin on jackass.

You on the left are the spin doctors. How does it feel to support such a dishonest president?

• “I, Barrack Hussein Obama, pledge to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.”

• I will have the most transparent administration in history.

• The stimulus will fund shovel-ready jobs.

• I am focused like a laser on creating jobs.

• The IRS is not targeting anyone.

• It was a spontaneous riot about a movie.

• If I had a son.

• I will put an end to the type of politics that “breeds division, conflict and cynicism”.

• You didn’t build that!

• I will restore trust in government.

• The Cambridge cops acted stupidly.

• The public will have 5 days to look at every bill that lands on my desk

• It’s not my red line – it is the world’s red line.

• Whistle blowers will be protected in my administration.

• We got back every dime we used to rescue the banks and auto companies, with interest.

• I am not spying on American citizens.

• Obama Care will be good for America . You can keep your family doctor. Premiums will be lowered by $2500. If you like it, you can keep your current healthcare plan. It’s just like shopping at Amazon.

• I knew nothing about “Fast and Furious” gunrunning to Mexican drug cartels.

• I knew nothing about IRS targeting conservative groups.

• I knew nothing about what happened in Benghazi .

• I have never known my uncle from Kenya who is in the country illegally and that was arrested and told to leave the country over 20 years ago. And, I have never lived with that uncle. He finally admitted (12-05-2013) that he DID know his uncle and that he DID live with him.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They will also try to tell you that there is absolutely nothing racist about the idea of "proper subordination" or the flags that flew for that cause. These fools have themselves completely twisted up trying to spin this.

The US flag flew over slave states as well. Want to ban that flag too?

No. Do you? That flag flew in defense of the Union and represents the destruction of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow.

That's why the KKK flew it huh?

kkk US flag - Google Search

They probably flew it for the same reason as everyone else. Because they are American. Spin on jackass.

You on the left are the spin doctors. How does it feel to support such a dishonest president?

• “I, Barrack Hussein Obama, pledge to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.”

• I will have the most transparent administration in history.

• The stimulus will fund shovel-ready jobs.

• I am focused like a laser on creating jobs.

• The IRS is not targeting anyone.

• It was a spontaneous riot about a movie.

• If I had a son.

• I will put an end to the type of politics that “breeds division, conflict and cynicism”.

• You didn’t build that!

• I will restore trust in government.

• The Cambridge cops acted stupidly.

• The public will have 5 days to look at every bill that lands on my desk

• It’s not my red line – it is the world’s red line.

• Whistle blowers will be protected in my administration.

• We got back every dime we used to rescue the banks and auto companies, with interest.

• I am not spying on American citizens.

• Obama Care will be good for America . You can keep your family doctor. Premiums will be lowered by $2500. If you like it, you can keep your current healthcare plan. It’s just like shopping at Amazon.

• I knew nothing about “Fast and Furious” gunrunning to Mexican drug cartels.

• I knew nothing about IRS targeting conservative groups.

• I knew nothing about what happened in Benghazi .

• I have never known my uncle from Kenya who is in the country illegally and that was arrested and told to leave the country over 20 years ago. And, I have never lived with that uncle. He finally admitted (12-05-2013) that he DID know his uncle and that he DID live with him.

Had to go off topic huh?
You didn't have much anyway.