Why should government be kept smaller, and restricted to only certain tasks?

[Indeependent]

He obviously doesn't know the first thing about business accounting or taxation.

I'm always fascinated by the fact that Conservatives use Accounting Rules for themselves but dismiss those same rules when they collide with their ideology.

Where do they collide with my ideology?

Simply look into how the appropriate Accounting Rules apply in your area.
Most of our onerous government control comes from our Municipalities, then from the State, and only only afterwards, from the Federal government.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm always fascinated by the fact that Conservatives use Accounting Rules for themselves but dismiss those same rules when they collide with their ideology.

Where do they collide with my ideology?

Simply look into how the appropriate Accounting Rules apply in your area.
Most of our onerous government control comes from our Municipalities, then from the State, and only only afterwards, from the Federal government.

How do they apply that collides with my ideology? I can't think of a single thing about accounting that collides with capitalism. In fact, capitalism relies on accurate accounting. Socialism, on the other hand, relies on abracadabra.

 

[Indeependent]

Where do they collide with my ideology?

Simply look into how the appropriate Accounting Rules apply in your area.
Most of our onerous government control comes from our Municipalities, then from the State, and only only afterwards, from the Federal government.

How do they apply that collides with my ideology? I can't think of a single thing about accounting that collides with capitalism. In fact, capitalism relies on accurate accounting. Socialism, on the other hand, relies on abracadabra.

Simply see if the developer gains anything from the surrounding area, such as tax write-offs or utility discounts.
Is the developer paying for private garbage removal?

 

[bripat9643]

Gated communities are PRIVATE; as in NOT used by the general public.
They are for profit and good for the developer.
And once again, are purely for profit and NOT for public access.
Next!

That they are PRIVATE is the whole point, isn't it? For all intents and purposes, the streets in a typical neighborhood serve the local residents in exactly the same fashion as the streets in a gated community. There is very little difference in the profile of the users. Furthermore, there are many communities that aren't gated where the developer has built and paid for all the streets. Typically, the developer builds the streets in a housing or commercial development.

When I was a construction worker, I helped to build an elementary school in a new housing development. The developer designed and built the school and paid for it. Also, I worked on the construction of a number of office parks, and in those cases the developer built and paid for all the local streets. The developer built the streets, the fire hidrands, the water and sewage, the fire stations, and even the freeway overpass that allowed drivers to get off the freeway and enter the development.

The liberal belief that government builds local infrastructure is almost entirely a myth.

The fact that it's for profit is precisely the point. You and the other knucklehead are trying to prove that the profit motive doesn't work when it comes to infrastructure.

Another one resorting to ad hominem...Interesting.

The overwhelming majority of roads today have LOTS of cars from lots of DIFFERENT neighborhoods traveling on them.

Wrong. Only the main thoroughfares have "LOTS of cars from lots of DIFFERENT neighborhoods." The local roads in your neighborhood typically only have cars that belong to residents or friends and family of residents or possibly service vehicles of some type. In other words, all the same types of cars you will find entering a gated community. The only difference is that the gated community has a gate that keeps out people who don't belong there.

To equate PRIVATE areas with non-private areas is ridiculous.

Not at all. Especially since in a libertarian society there would be no such thing as "non-private areas."

I deal with construction all the time and every developer gets INCREDIBLE tax breaks considering that the infrastructure surrounding and APART from the developers construction IS REQUIRED in order to access the developers property.

You "deal with construction?" What the hell does that mean? Whether the developer gets tax breaks or not, the fact remains that building local roads, sewers, gas lines, fire hydrants and street lights is a business expense. It's not put on the revenue side of the ledger. Typically, the developer is required to make any alterations in local infrastructure, such as changes in local streets, that are required to service his development. They build the freeway interchanges, widen the local streets and add street lights where needed. Local government doesn't pay for jack squat.

Furthermore, every development generates considerable revenue for local government. Right off the bat there are the taxes incurred from the sale of each house or office property. Then each property generates a steady stream of revenue for local government in the form of property tax.

Municipal, State and Federal Government builds local infrastructure; whether YOU want to accept that reality is YOUR business.

Totally and obviously wrong. I have no trouble at all accepting reality. That's why I'm a libertarian rather than a liberal.

 

[bripat9643]

Simply look into how the appropriate Accounting Rules apply in your area.
Most of our onerous government control comes from our Municipalities, then from the State, and only only afterwards, from the Federal government.

How do they apply that collides with my ideology? I can't think of a single thing about accounting that collides with capitalism. In fact, capitalism relies on accurate accounting. Socialism, on the other hand, relies on abracadabra.

Simply see if the developer gains anything from the surrounding area, such as tax write-offs or utility discounts.
Is the developer paying for private garbage removal?

The residents pay for utilities, not the developer. Even if the developer gets a write-off of some kind, that doesn't mean he didn't pay for the infrastructure he built. The money to build it had to come from somewhere, and it came out of his pocket.

Normally local residents pay for garbage removal, unless the city provides it, and then it taxes the local residents to pay for it, not the developer. The developer pays to remove trash produced by the construction process. No money ever comes out of the pocket of the local government, period.

 

[Indeependent]

In NYC, Nassau and Suffolk County the overwhelming infrastructure is paid for by tax money.
The major stores do not build the parking lots, place light poles or lay electric lines; they are not allowed.
That work must be done under the auspicious of a local authority.

In most suburban areas, these centers of commerce occupy a very important, yet very small percentage of infrastructure.

 

[bripat9643]

In NYC, Nassau and Suffolk County the overwhelming infrastructure is paid for by tax money.
The major stores do not build the parking lots, place light poles or lay electric lines; they are not allowed.
That work must be done under the auspicious of a local authority.

In most suburban areas, these centers of commerce occupy a very important, yet very small percentage of infrastructure.

I find it hard to believe that the county pays for the parking lot in front of a Walmart store. If it does, then it differs from every other country and parish in the country. Perhaps the country insists that it does the work while the developer pays for it. That's just a scheme to create jobs for union thugs.

 

[Indeependent]

Perhaps the country insists that it does the work while the developer pays for it. That's just a scheme to create jobs for union thugs.

Probably.

 

[Foxfyre]

In NYC, Nassau and Suffolk County the overwhelming infrastructure is paid for by tax money.
The major stores do not build the parking lots, place light poles or lay electric lines; they are not allowed.
That work must be done under the auspicious of a local authority.

In most suburban areas, these centers of commerce occupy a very important, yet very small percentage of infrastructure.

I find it hard to believe that the county pays for the parking lot in front of a Walmart store. If it does, then it differs from every other country and parish in the country. Perhaps the country insists that it does the work while the developer pays for it. That's just a scheme to create jobs for union thugs.

I find it hard to believe that there are people in this country, our fearless leader included, who think the government pays for the roads and other infrastructure and all the rest of us just sit back and benefit from all that benevolence. What ARE they teaching in schools these days? Because somehow basic economics sure isn't getting into a lot of heads full of mush.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Who the hell do you think builds the infrastructure in a community?

Depends on the community.

Which community in the US hasn't had infrastructure provided by the government?

That wasn't your question, Chuckles, and moving the goalposts doesn't work with me.

The fact that our various governments forcibly insert themselves into EVERYTHING now does not mean they HAVE to or that it's impossible to get anything accomplished if they don't. I realize your tiny brain doesn't have the capacity for imagination in it to picture a world different from the one you've occupied all your life, but that is actually very recent and localized, globally speaking. For a much, MUCH longer time, communities lived without any real government to speak of except in a very distant, mostly abstract sense (Yeah, there's a king, but who the hell sees him?).

Even today, right here in America, there are many small communities that just don't bother with the trappings of bureaucracy and handle community concerns themselves. Yes, they still have government-funded roads and shit near them, because it's hard to get away from those fuckers, even when you're trying. Do they require it? Despite your inability to imagine or believe it, the answer is no.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Which community in the US hasn't had infrastructure provided by the government?

Which community in the US hasn't had infrastructure provided by private companies?

Name an infrastructure built by a private company.
The overwhelming number of "Walmarts" will not only NOT build the infrastructure necessary to build their store, they make deals to avoid taxes for x number of years; THEN they teach their underpaid employees how to go on welfare and food stamps.

This is called CORPORATE welfare.

No, that is called "smart government". Only an ignorant set of politicians who desperately want to be voted out of office as soon as possible refuses to offer incentives to attract business and employers to their city.

"Welfare", by contrast, is when you take from the taxpayers via government, and produce and give back nothing whatsoever.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Built by, but paid for by the government. Even private streets.

Nope. The streets in the gated community where I lived were built and paid for by the developer. So was the community pool and the tennis courts.

A GATED community; are you for real?
How about a NON-Gated community?

What about them? Was the question, "Name a community", or was it "Prove that ALL communities"? Make up your mind what you're asking.

 

[Cecilie1200]

A GATED community; are you for real?
How about a NON-Gated community?

What about it? Yes, gate communities are for real. The argument BottomOnePercenter is trying to make is that only government builds infrastructure. I just proved him wrong.

Gated communities are PRIVATE; as in NOT used by the general public.
They are for profit and good for the developer.
And once again, are purely for profit and NOT for public access.
Next!

I don't recall your question limiting any of those specifications, or indeed, providing any limiting specifics at all. So your faux-superior sneer of "That answer isn't good enough, because it's not what I think of as a community" just shows that you were wrong and uninformed and stupid, and made a fool out of yourself.

NEXT!

 

[Cecilie1200]

Built by, but paid for by the government. Even private streets.

Nope. The streets in the gated community where I lived were built and paid for by the developer. So was the community pool and the tennis courts.

So the developer DIDN'T write-off the cost?

No, Lee Iacocca, he didn't. And thank you for demonstrating to anyone who still mistakenly thought you possessed one iota of business sense that you should never, EVER be taken seriously on any question that involves money. The developer factored the costs of development - including roads, pools, tennis courts, etc. - into the costs of the houses when he sold them. So he paid for them, and then the private individuals of the community paid HIM for them. And I would assume that the HOA fees pay for their upkeep.

You really have not even a tiny speck of real-world knowledge or experience, do you? Bet you can tell us the best places in your neighborhood to get a payday loan or cash checks, though, huh?

 

[Contumacious]

The fact that our various governments forcibly insert themselves into EVERYTHING now does not mean they HAVE to or that it's impossible to get anything accomplished if they don't. .

HUH?

Aren't you the promoter of "let the government nationalize womens uteri" campaign?

Aren't you the one who wants bureaucratic hands right on their vulva so that they can control what goes in and out?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Recheck your premises !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Built by, but paid for by the government. Even private streets.

Off the top of my head? Lake Buena Vista, Bay Lake, and the Reedy Creek Improvement District in Florida. If you want more examples of what is colloquially known as a company town, let me know.

All were written-off by the developers.

Dipshit, developers only "write off" expenses like that if they lose money on the investment. You really sound like such a fucking "I just know how to spend my food stamps" moron right now, it makes me want to heave.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Built by, but paid for by the government. Even private streets.

Off the top of my head? Lake Buena Vista, Bay Lake, and the Reedy Creek Improvement District in Florida. If you want more examples of what is colloquially known as a company town, let me know.

Wealthy, exclusive communities or built up by a business entity for profit.

So?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Anyone who even THINKS all government is great is lacking a great deal of information.
Anyone who thinks we need minimal government and yet supports a global military usually only cares about their stock portfolio.

Anyone who posts drivel like that in response to one of my posts is an idiot.

Resorting to an ad hominem...interesting.

Not nearly as interesting as your resorting to moving the goalposts. I personally don't think that sort of "I lost, but I refuse to admit it" bullshit DESERVES anything more than a dismissal as an idiot, and Quantum was frankly more polite to you than you deserve.

You can stop waving your white flag and run along now.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Then the cost is written-off which is unrealized revenue. Unrealized revenue has to be made up somewhere, namely taxpayers.

Unrealized revenue?

When I took accounting a few decades ago I was told that accrued revenue was an asset. Did they change the rules at some point, or are you just full of shit?

Accrued revenue will be realized at some point. Unrealized will NEVER be realized.

Did that answer my question? Didn't think so. Since it doesn't, I see no need to deal with your absurd lie.

 

[OnePercenter]

Which community are you talking about?

Every community. It's all directly or in-directly on the taxpayers dime.

Wrong. It's almost entirely on the developer's dime.

Which the developer receives a subsidy (write-off) on cost of products, raw materials, freight, storage, labor costs, pensions, annuities, and overhead, which become unrealized tax revenues to be made up by taxpayers.