Why No Security? Because the DC Mayor followed BLM-inspired demands

[iceberg]

And now that one officer has died of his injuries at the hands of this mob, and others remain hospitalized, it's impossible NOT to make comparisons between the event and the way the BLM protestors were handled this summer. I just don't know what to even think right now, it seems so impossible.

It's absolutely possible, as the behavior is exactly the same. The difference is, you only denounce some of the violence, I denounce it all. I challenge you to increase your morality, and don't allow your hatred to prevent empathy for victims that you oppose. Feel compassion for all victims, and oppose all monsters.

Trump's behavior is criminal. There is just no excuse. And he is, predictably, still lying. Lying about sending help (he did nothing, help was 3 hours late, and it was Pence who did it all)...after telling his mob he "loves them" and how they are "patriots" he is now throwing them under the bus. What are the American people supposed to make of this?

If raising the temperature is criminal, then warm the handcuffs up for Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, etc... who all fired up their base by saying Trump "stole" the 2016 election and is an "illegitimate" president, who terrorized the black population to believe they were being massively exterminated when data proves that is monumentally incorrect, who all called the police are racist which led to officers being hunted and killed, who called the Republicans "murderers" which led to a GOP softball game being shot up.

You are opening a pandora's box. And I'd guess you're doing it because it's politically expedient at this very moment. But, when this loose standard is applied to others, you'll realize how stupid it is.

coyote and i have gone into some nasty conversations on this. i've said the same thing about pandoras box because if you say "one side is justfied in their violence" what you are really saying is "violence is justified"

you can't pick and choose which side can use which tactics. not in a free and open society where we're all supposed to be bound to the same laws. when you give one side rights you don't allow the other, you become judging who's morality is correct.

and that never ends well.

if you want to have room to move, you must give it. we've lost sight of that and here we are today in a "if i don't get what i want you are a nazi" 3 year old mentality.

I hear you on this Iceberg, but sometimes equivalencies have to stop, because they just aren't equivalent, and this is one time that is so.

This mob does not represent all Trump supporters or even most (just like Antifa does not represent all leftists or even most) but it does represent a significant dangerous fringe that crossed a line. None of the unrest over the past decade compares.

It was an attempt to over throw our electoral process and frankly, our entire form of government and the foundations upon which it was based.

There are a few events in my life, that left me feeling surreal and sick to my stomach. The bombing of the Edward R Murrow building in OKC, the midair explosion of Challenger, 9/11...and now January 6, 2021. I will never forget this.

It's not partisan, it shouldn't be - Republicans and Democrats, left and right were horrified. It's an attack on all Americans. And honestly, I was crying.

i was sick to see it.

i was sick to see the police move the fence LET them in
i was sick to see the police OPEN THE DOOR FOR THEM to come into the building.
i was sick to see them take selfies in the process with those "storming" the castle.

the fact remains you're constantly able to push these details aside in this and other situations to see what you *need/want* to see.

"it's an attack on all americans" - yet you ignore those who say the riots are the same. to me and many in my mindset, they are in fact the same. you allow violence as a means to an end or you do not and reject ANYONE DOING IT FOR ANY REASON.

to say "this reason is good / that reason bad" - honestly this is how i interpret what you are saying. and like i said, this goes into judging morality and saying YOUR reasons for violence are justified but the other side, no. in my mind that is why we have all the violence and disparity today.

one side wants rights they don't want the other to have.

so many people have accused me of defending trump when in fact, i'm defending our baseline rights. those do not include "oh you REALLY hater someone? we can treat them differently" that seems to be alive and well today. i guess you could say i advocate an even "platform" we all enjoy the rights of and i will protect that and how you use your rights isn't any of my business.

it only becomes my business, in my mind, when i see one group try to say THEY have a right and the other does not because of XYZ.

the "because of XYZ" is what gets us into this shit. you want to protect reasons to remove rights from people is how it comes across to me.

i want to protect our rights period - and i don't care what is done with them. i want the PLATFORM to be the same for us all.

that is why i hate social media today. they don't feel they should do that. if they don't like what you say SILENCE. where is that right in the constitution?

so yes, at times i get nailed for "defending trump" because it gets in the way of the mindless drone attacks on him because people hate him.

fine. hate him. that isn't illegal as far as i know. but to hold him to another set of standards? i'd call bullshit on anyone doing that.

if you can riot and tear shit up, you can riot and tear shit up. if you can't, you can't.

i will agree it was a sad day. however as usual, we have different reasons for our sadness. nothing wrong with that on its own. just becomes an issue when we expect people to feel as we do and if not, there's an action to be taken.

and that action can be many forms. even violence. but if one side starts it, the other side will invariably dive in.

then you get the "but we had good reason!" crap that tries to justify changing the platform "in this instance".

and it's never simply "in this instance".

whatever happens next, i hope we find our way back to the center soon.

 

[Lesh]

Americans taking over capitol building was awesome. This is the spirit the nation was founded in.

The cop murdering the woman, not so awesome.

You disgraceful son of a bitch

 

[DrLove]

The mayor has no control over the Capitol police.

Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser told federal law enforcement to stand down just one day before a mob of Trump supporters breached the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, smashing windows, entering the chambers, and forcing lawmakers and congressional staff inside into lockdown.

“To be clear, the District of Columbia is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel and discourages any additional deployment without immediate notification to, and consultation with, MPD if such plans are underway,” Bowser wrote in a letter to acting U.S. Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, and Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy.

DC Mayor Told Law Enforcement To Stand Down Day Before Capitol Riot

Muriel Bowser told federal law enforcement to stand down just one day before a mob breached the U.S. Capitol, forcing lawmakers and staff into lockdown.

thefederalist.com

Then why would she write such a commanding memo? Sounds to me like she has quite a bit of control.

The Capitol police do not answer to her. No such order was given. No such order was followed.

Someone did screw up royally...but it doesn't remotely resemble what you're describing.

And it gets worse. The Capital police refused offers of extra help.

Capitol Police rejected offers of federal help to quell rioting

U.S. Capitol Police failures are raising questions over security and other matters related to its response to the pro-Trump mob violence.

www.latimes.com

It's hard not ask some very uncomfortable questions here.

Is there any merit to this article's claim? It is, to say the least, very very disturbing.

Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials

The big unanswered question: Why were so few law-enforcement agents at the Capitol when demonstrations like that are usually heavily policed?

www.businessinsider.com

And now that one officer has died of his injuries at the hands of this mob, and others remain hospitalized, it's impossible NOT to make comparisons between the event and the way the BLM protestors were handled this summer. I just don't know what to even think right now, it seems so impossible.

Trump's behavior is criminal. There is just no excuse. And he is, predictably, still lying. Lying about sending help (he did nothing, help was 3 hours late, and it was Pence who did it all)...after telling his mob he "loves them" and how they are "patriots" he is now throwing them under the bus. What are the American people supposed to make of this?

Agree with those who suggest the denials were part of Trump's plan to assist his goons.

 

[22lcidw]

It turns out the DC mayor refused offers for additional security because of the demands made by BLM during the riots this past year. They consistently said that the heavy police presence only incited violence.

So, she avoided this to try to calm things.

It looks like BLM, the left, and the mayor, were very stupid to try this. A strong police presence for high-tension situations should always be applied.

The mayor has no control over the Capitol police.

Ain't nobody going to follow that shit politician during the worst of times. Her own neighborhoods don't. Its the same result in the city after city after city. Its bullshitatopia! We are talking surviving now.

The mayor of DC has no control over the capitol police.

The mayor had control of the riots over the last year. Especially in front of the White House. That was a disgrace. Survival involve a little intelligence. Many people will die because they lack any sense.

 

[MarcATL]

Americans taking over capitol building was awesome. This is the spirit the nation was founded in. We need a lot more of it, trees of liberty are very hungry.

The cop murdering the woman, not so awesome.

Note: No OTHER self-proclaimed conservative on USMB will push back on this. But we are to believe it was actually ANTIFA who committed sedition on our capital this week.

Watch...

 

[DrLove]

She didn't.

Fact Check: False

Now with downtown D.C. businesses boarding up their windows, Mayor Muriel Bowser has requested a limited National Guard deployment to help bolster the Metropolitan Police Department.​

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According to a U.S. defense official, Bowser put in a request on New Year’s Eve to have Guard members on the streets from Tuesday to Thursday to help with the protests. The official said the additional forces will be used for traffic control and other assistance but they will not be armed or wearing body armor. Congress is meeting this week to certify the Electoral College results, and Trump has refused to concede while whipping up support for protests.​

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Some 340 D.C. National Guard members will be activated, with about 115 on duty in the streets at any given time, said the defense official, who provided details on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. The official said Guard members will be used to set up traffic control points around the city and to stand with district police officers at all the city’s Metro stops. Contee said Guard troops will also be used for some crowd management. ​

DC mayor calls in National Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests

WASHINGTON (AP) — Bracing for possible violence, the nation's capital has mobilized the National Guard ahead of planned protests by President Donald Trump's supporters in connection with the congressional vote expected Wednesday to affirm Joe Biden's election victory.

apnews.com

She successfully called in the National Guard, only to not use them. If she didn't have that power, that wouldn't be possible.

You're welcome.

You're missing the point. That request had to go through proper approval channels. In this case, Donald and his "acting" this and that were AWOL and did not respond to MULTIPLE requests.

 

[DrLove]

and was in league with the insurrection

You can't prove that whatsoever. His words denounce them. Stop lying.

Which "words"? The ones Donald uttered just prior to the insurrection or the hostage video he release yesterday, which was the diametrical opposite??

 

[Meister]

Thread closed, there needs to be a link to a source to back the facts stated