imawhosure
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At this point in history, somewhere around 30% of the voting population are independent, supposed moderates. Actually, it might be closer to 35%, but for this exercise in political reality, we will use 30%.
So what we then have is about 70% who are NOT moderates, and what defines these people? 1/2 of these 70% believe the other side has gone to far, such as CRT, green new deal, etc, and the list goes on. They want America put back on solid footing, and point to everything that happens when these policies are put in place.
The other 1/2 of the 70% believe we have not gone far enough. They want to transform America into another state of being, plain and simple. They wish to continue down the path they see as the correct one, even if they aren't sure where we are heading, but to revert back to where we were in any form, is not acceptable.
So what does that have to do with moderates and Independents who would be happy to stop the bickering and just maintain status quo?
Who from either side of the 70% would vote in a primary for a moderate, or a 3rd party candidate? If the majority of Americans want to push for reversal, or push to continue, moderates and 3rd party people are DOA. A moderate (think Mansion or Sinema, or possibly even Cheney) could vote either way for either side. That is a no-no! How can you push forward, or push backwards; depending upon your political wishes, if your person could vote with the opposition, and no matter which side of the aisle you are on, you honestly believe this is the question of our time? Let us be real here-------->if installed in congress, they are going to vote, and if you aren't sure which way they would vote and belong to the 70%, why would you cast a ballot for them? Congress is going to ignore legislation from them unless it fits into one side or the others agenda, and yet it would be their duty to vote on legislation that had nothing to do what they ran on.
If you want to see how both sides of the 70% view moderates, just revisit the vitriol over Mansion, Sinema, Murkowski, and Mcain, and others who voted in favor of the other sides ideas, and all the vitriol was from their own side of the aisle.
In closing, let me say that this thread is NOT about which side of the 70% is correct. What it IS about is why these moderates can get no traction whatsoever, and as long as the current state of politics stays in its current form, they will continue to be unable to. Let us all be honest--------> By party, we know 90 to 95% of the time which way they will vote on any given issue, but the moderates/and or Independent candidates......we have no idea which way they will cast their vote. If you believe in either "we have gone to far," or "we have not gone far enough," that makes these people DOA at the ballot box. We could elect an Independent as President in 24, and they would NOT be able to govern. Congress would be in total control of the country, or the new President would have to align his or herself with one or the other political partys to get anything done, which puts us right back where we started.
The surprising thing is------------>the supporters of these Independents or 3rd party candidates continue to politically "spit into the wind," and when it blows back into their faces, they blame it on the rest of us! REALITY.........it is NOT us, it is you! Instead of picking one of the big 2 and exerting your influence over them by your numbers and getting some sort of control, you take the easy way out and get a bunch of like minded people who you do not have to politically persuade through logic and dialogue, and accomplish absolutely NOTHING but possibly make yourself feel good.
We seen how fast Trump took over the GOP. We also seen how fast a group called the "squad" influences almost everything the Democrats do today. And you people? Sitting on the sidelines with zero input because you are...........what....scared to try to influence either party by your voting power? Shame on you, in fact, double shame on you!
So what we then have is about 70% who are NOT moderates, and what defines these people? 1/2 of these 70% believe the other side has gone to far, such as CRT, green new deal, etc, and the list goes on. They want America put back on solid footing, and point to everything that happens when these policies are put in place.
The other 1/2 of the 70% believe we have not gone far enough. They want to transform America into another state of being, plain and simple. They wish to continue down the path they see as the correct one, even if they aren't sure where we are heading, but to revert back to where we were in any form, is not acceptable.
So what does that have to do with moderates and Independents who would be happy to stop the bickering and just maintain status quo?
Who from either side of the 70% would vote in a primary for a moderate, or a 3rd party candidate? If the majority of Americans want to push for reversal, or push to continue, moderates and 3rd party people are DOA. A moderate (think Mansion or Sinema, or possibly even Cheney) could vote either way for either side. That is a no-no! How can you push forward, or push backwards; depending upon your political wishes, if your person could vote with the opposition, and no matter which side of the aisle you are on, you honestly believe this is the question of our time? Let us be real here-------->if installed in congress, they are going to vote, and if you aren't sure which way they would vote and belong to the 70%, why would you cast a ballot for them? Congress is going to ignore legislation from them unless it fits into one side or the others agenda, and yet it would be their duty to vote on legislation that had nothing to do what they ran on.
If you want to see how both sides of the 70% view moderates, just revisit the vitriol over Mansion, Sinema, Murkowski, and Mcain, and others who voted in favor of the other sides ideas, and all the vitriol was from their own side of the aisle.
In closing, let me say that this thread is NOT about which side of the 70% is correct. What it IS about is why these moderates can get no traction whatsoever, and as long as the current state of politics stays in its current form, they will continue to be unable to. Let us all be honest--------> By party, we know 90 to 95% of the time which way they will vote on any given issue, but the moderates/and or Independent candidates......we have no idea which way they will cast their vote. If you believe in either "we have gone to far," or "we have not gone far enough," that makes these people DOA at the ballot box. We could elect an Independent as President in 24, and they would NOT be able to govern. Congress would be in total control of the country, or the new President would have to align his or herself with one or the other political partys to get anything done, which puts us right back where we started.
The surprising thing is------------>the supporters of these Independents or 3rd party candidates continue to politically "spit into the wind," and when it blows back into their faces, they blame it on the rest of us! REALITY.........it is NOT us, it is you! Instead of picking one of the big 2 and exerting your influence over them by your numbers and getting some sort of control, you take the easy way out and get a bunch of like minded people who you do not have to politically persuade through logic and dialogue, and accomplish absolutely NOTHING but possibly make yourself feel good.
We seen how fast Trump took over the GOP. We also seen how fast a group called the "squad" influences almost everything the Democrats do today. And you people? Sitting on the sidelines with zero input because you are...........what....scared to try to influence either party by your voting power? Shame on you, in fact, double shame on you!
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