Why Harris lost

[buckeye]

Your problem is that you think only Trumpers are Americans

LOL. Yet, you're the one that just identified over 74 million American voters as Trumpers instead of Americans.

We're all Americans, goofball.

 

[Mac-7]

Actually, his positions on things like abortion, mass deportation, gun control, the environment, are broadly unpopular.

Abortion only slightly advantages the dems

Mass deportation, gun control, and the environment are clearly winning issues for trump

 

[buckeye]

Did credit card debt decrease between Dec31 2019 and March 2020?

Yes, by about 30 billion dollars. Do you not know how to read a graph????

 

[Mac-7]

1. Where did all those votes for the Democrats disappear to?

My guess is they were illegal votes that the dems were unable to replicate in 2024

 

[Lesh]

Abortion only slightly advantages the dems

Mass deportation, gun control, and the environment are clearly winning issues for trump

It certainly motivated Trumpers to come out.
Abortion was a powerful force. It passed. I’m very red states and where it failed it had big majorities

Somehow people forgot that Trump caused this whole mess

 

[Lesh]

My guess is they were illegal votes that the dems were unable to replicate in 2024

Your “guess” is based on “feelings” and nothing else

 

[buckeye]

You need more granular detail.

Consumer Loans: Credit Cards and Other Revolving Plans, All Commercial Banks

Graph and download economic data for Consumer Loans: Credit Cards and Other Revolving Plans, All Commercial Banks (CCLACBW027SBOG) from 2000-06-28 to 2025-03-12 about revolving, credit cards, loans, consumer, banks, depository institutions, and USA.

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The Fed has data going down to weekly. The peak was mid March 2020.

Even if you were right about when the peak occurred, it clearly rose during his presidency.

We were talking cc debt, not including consumer loans as you're now doing. Very dishonest of you.

And of course it rose under Trump. It always rises. My point is that it rose SO GOD DAMNED much under Biden.

Fastest and highest in history under the dementia patient.

Look at the inflation rates under the two POTUSes and there you have your story.

 

[22lcidw]

Except they didn't.

Trump got less votes this time than he got last time.

The problem is that between voter suppression, pulling back on mail-in ballots, and the fact that Harris really didn't have time to organize a campaign (but still did good with what she had), Trump got back in because of Apathy and the media gaslighting them into thinking he was inevitable, anyway.

What happened was that being a rich nation could not compensate for the trillions and trillions of dollars Progressives waste. This is what in nation after nation destroys them. Prog idiots will even try to thwart the medicine Trump is going to give the nation for it to recover. That is how crazy you are. Many people did not know how the race was going to go. Frankly, Trump should have had 500 electoral votes. This is how far gone we are now.

 

[Mac-7]

It certainly motivated Trumpers to come out.
Abortion was a powerful force. It passed. I’m very red states and where it failed it had big majorities

Somehow people forgot that Trump caused this whole mess

What is your limit for abortion, if any?

Abortion on demand including the full term of the 3rd trimester?

If so then I think the fight will continue and you are not home free

 

[Mac-7]

Your “guess” is based on “feelings” and nothing else

Do you have a better explanation?

 

[Marener]

We were talking cc debt, not including consumer loans as you're now doing. Very dishonest of you.

And of course it rose under Trump. It always rises. My point is that it rose SO GOD DAMNED much under Biden.

Fastest and highest in history under the dementia patient.

Look at the inflation rates under the two POTUSes and there you have your story.

Since your data only goes back to 2013, it's pretty dishonest to say it's the highest in history.

I said it rose under Trump and you claimed I had no idea what I was talking about. Now you're changing your tune.

 

[scruffy]

Look at the vote tallies yourself.

There was clearly a significant drop in participation this year.

Only if you buy into the deep state psy ops.

Most people can read the obvious.

Biden gets more black votes than Obama? Really? REALLY?

People came out in droves to vote against Trump four years ago, but now they don't care? REALLY?

You should be skeptical of anyone being too certain about what happened in this election. It will take weeks/months for the proper data to be analyzed and published. Until then, it's mostly just people who want to push their opinion as truth.

lol

 

[scruffy]

Credit card debt increased under Trump too.

Only after COVID.

Cherry picking economic data is foolish.

Ignoring the obvious is beyond foolish.

 

[Lesh]

No, it doesn't. The peak was Q4 2019. You're wrong again.

Consumer Loans: Credit Cards and Other Revolving Plans, All Commercial Banks

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fred.stlouisfed.org

This says otherwise.

It puts the peak right at the beginning of Covid

 

[X.Onasis]

Trump's peak 2019 Q4 was 927 billion which went down to 770 billion Q1 2021.

Biden started at the 770 billion and its up to almost 1.2 trillion now. Inflation under Biden is third highest in history which common sense will tell you that will cause record high cc debt.

U.S. Inflation Rate by President: From Truman to Biden

Here are the average year-over-year inflation rates by president, and the events and economic conditions that contributed to them.

www.investopedia.com

Right. The overall growth of CC debt decreased during the buffoon's incompetent handling of the Covid epidemic.
This, of course was exacerbated by pinheads who were empowered by him to refuse to take reasonable precautions. We essentially had to shut down because of overtaxed healthcare. He caused the deaths of many of his supporters.

Gloating over your little statistical burp with Marener is stupid.

 

[Marener]

Only after COVID.

No, it went up from 2017 to 2020 and went down DURING COVID.

 

[jotathought]

In a narrow election, you a make a case about almost any issue being the deciding factor. That said, inflation was clearly the biggest knock on the democratic campaign.

It's truly distressing to me that people's view on the economy, which supposedly is described by objective measure, is so skewed by their political persuasion.

Here is the thing: leading up to election day, we were told it was a narrow election, and in the end, it was pretty much a landslide. Harris underperformed significantly and drove a divisive campaign focused on abortion and "But Trump" instead of her policy positions, her performance as VP, how she would make change and relating to her constituency. Trump won decisively with 51% of the vote (73M), including all the swing states Kamala was forecasted to win, a forecasted electoral college outcome of 312 - 226 (better than 2020), a Republican majority in the Senate and potentially in the House.

 

[scruffy]

Poll workers can not see the overall picture obviously

Vote totals were lower

Fact

Yeah, cause dead people didn't vote this time. Too many eyes watching.

 

[Lesh]

Do you have a better explanation?

Yeah Dems weren’t as energized as they were in 2020

Pretty simple

 

[Marener]

Here is the thing: leading up to election day, we were told it was a narrow election, and in the end, it was pretty much a landslide. Harris underperformed significantly and drove a divisive campaign focused on abortion and "But Trump" instead of her policy positions, her performance as VP, how she would make change and relating to her constituency. Trump won decisively with 51% of the vote (73M), including all the swing states Kamala was forecasted to win, a forecasted electoral college outcome of 312 - 226 (better than 2020), a Republican majority in the Senate and potentially in the House.

No, it wasn’t “pretty much a landslide”. 51% is a clear victory but it’s not a landslide.

Since when is 51% a landslide? That seems like a pretty bare minimum.