Why Liberals Love the Collective

Strawman.

OTOH, You DO know how the Stock Market works?

You realize that the ONLY time you are actually investing in a stock is when that particular Company buys it through it's Institutional Ordering System?
Known in the vernacular as Institutional Trading.

I know, I'm not a knee-jerk Conservative so I'm not actually supposed to know or understand these COMPLICATED realities.

And then that Stock is usually sold within 24 hours.

So much for Self-Reliant INDIVIDUALS OWNING a Stock.

If you don't know this, you fail.

And the choice individual choice to invest is lost where?

I just explained where you have NO individual choice to invest.
The firms take your money and play with it as they please.
Even firms that SEEM to sell their own stock buy and sell your money all day.
What YOU have to have faith in is that when you want to cash in your stock that the market's infrastructure can support the amount you are supposedly due.

That's why the market crashes; the money you invested is SOMEWHERE, it's just a matter of whether or not it was spent in a manner in which the market can retrieve it.

If too much invested money is spent by the firm for their own purposes, such as buying homes around the world, and too much money is called down, they can't all suddenly sell those homes at once and send you a check.
That is, for example, what crushed Madoff.

Yet in the end, it is me that chooses who plays with my money, and if they're going to play with my money. I know I get a phone call when they suggest investing my money in something else. If they aren't playing with my money in a manner of which I can benefit then I find someone, or, something else. Indeed, with no individual investors there is no stock market. I must choose to play the game.
 
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And the choice individual choice to invest is lost where?

I just explained where you have NO individual choice to invest.
The firms take your money and play with it as they please.
Even firms that SEEM to sell their own stock buy and sell your money all day.
What YOU have to have faith in is that when you want to cash in your stock that the market's infrastructure can support the amount you are supposedly due.

That's why the market crashes; the money you invested is SOMEWHERE, it's just a matter of whether or not it was spent in a manner in which the market can retrieve it.

If too much invested money is spent by the firm for their own purposes, such as buying homes around the world, and too much money is called down, they can't all suddenly sell those homes at once and send you a check.
That is, for example, what crushed Madoff.

Yet in the end, it is me that chooses who plays with my money, and if they're going to play with my money.

You have the freedom to give someone your money to play with.
If you think for an INSTANCE it's actually being spent as a useful resource by the Symbol you selected, you are completely in error.
Investing in IBM, for instance, is meaningless, except as a leap of faith.
 
I just explained where you have NO individual choice to invest.
The firms take your money and play with it as they please.
Even firms that SEEM to sell their own stock buy and sell your money all day.
What YOU have to have faith in is that when you want to cash in your stock that the market's infrastructure can support the amount you are supposedly due.

That's why the market crashes; the money you invested is SOMEWHERE, it's just a matter of whether or not it was spent in a manner in which the market can retrieve it.

If too much invested money is spent by the firm for their own purposes, such as buying homes around the world, and too much money is called down, they can't all suddenly sell those homes at once and send you a check.
That is, for example, what crushed Madoff.

Yet in the end, it is me that chooses who plays with my money, and if they're going to play with my money.

You have the freedom to give someone your money to play with.
If you think for an INSTANCE it's actually being spent as a useful resource by the Symbol you selected, you are completely in error.
Investing in IBM, for instance, is meaningless, except as a leap of faith.

Who's faith? My individual faith. Lets call it individual freedom of association and to do with what I please with my property; however limited it may be.
 
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Yet in the end, it is me that chooses who plays with my money, and if they're going to play with my money.

You have the freedom to give someone your money to play with.
If you think for an INSTANCE it's actually being spent as a useful resource by the Symbol you selected, you are completely in error.
Investing in IBM, for instance, is meaningless, except as a leap of faith.

Who's faith? My individual faith. Lets call it individual freedom of association and to do with what I please with my property; however limited it may be.

Absolutely; you have the individual liberty to trust anyone with your money.
Just don't always believe they'll do with your money what they state they're doing.
 
Contradicting your own point ya know. May act individually, but there's still a team around you. There's no such thing as a successful individual. If someone's successful it's because they had help be it business, politics, military, or anythign else. Businesspeople need employees, politicians need advisors, militaries need personnel. No one wins or achieves all by their lonesome.

Few years back when World of Warcraft was at its peak popularity, was a thing about how many Fortune 500 companies were hiring only those candidates who also played the game since it emphasized teamwork. This myth of individual success might work as propaganda, but in reality you never see it.

This is the left wing bullsh*t of making the team players feel better about themselves and giving credit where it isn't due to make everyone feel good.

A team player is nothing more than a person that takes orders from the leaders. They decide what the team is going to do, how they will do it and at what time they will all move. In the end the team players get to fawn all over themselves about being so crucial to the operation they aren't replaceable when in reality the only person not replaceable to the operation was the person in charge. They were the ones in charge of the team players.

It's why we suddenly see a bunch of burger flippers thinking they are owed 15 bucks an hour because their team made some money when in reality they are replaceable idiots that had nothing to do with the success other than being on the job and doing what others told them to do when they were told to do it.

Then why do Wall Street firms suppress individuality?
You think Jamie Dimon gives a damn about the people around him who possess advanced degrees and help him earn his annual bonus?
He doesn't.

Neither does Lloyd Blankfein.

You see, the Right and the Left both play extreme and that's why both fail.

Why would Dimon give a crap about those under him unless they aren't doing what he told them to? If they do what he wants and the company makes money the get their bonus as agreed at the time of their hire. If they don't do it or if he was wrong they all should lose out. Wall Street doesn't suppress individuality it focuses on individuals that can perform. Having a degree doesn't mean squat. Being a tough leader that can make the followers with degrees do what you want them to does.
 
The purpose of the collectivist ideology is to stamp out free will, which is seen as destructive.

Free will can lead to the misuse of our natural resources, large carbon footprints, misuse of wealth, greed unchecked, overpopulation, dangerous ideas that can lead to division in society, etc.

The only answer is to snuff out free will and make everything compulsory and control thought through PC.

And they won't stop until the whole world is playing along. Collectivist, going back to Plato, have fantasized about world utopia and will die till they get it. Just so long as one person on this globe has free will danger will lurk right around the corner.
 
This is the left wing bullsh*t of making the team players feel better about themselves and giving credit where it isn't due to make everyone feel good.

A team player is nothing more than a person that takes orders from the leaders. They decide what the team is going to do, how they will do it and at what time they will all move. In the end the team players get to fawn all over themselves about being so crucial to the operation they aren't replaceable when in reality the only person not replaceable to the operation was the person in charge. They were the ones in charge of the team players.

It's why we suddenly see a bunch of burger flippers thinking they are owed 15 bucks an hour because their team made some money when in reality they are replaceable idiots that had nothing to do with the success other than being on the job and doing what others told them to do when they were told to do it.

Then why do Wall Street firms suppress individuality?
You think Jamie Dimon gives a damn about the people around him who possess advanced degrees and help him earn his annual bonus?
He doesn't.

Neither does Lloyd Blankfein.

You see, the Right and the Left both play extreme and that's why both fail.

Why would Dimon give a crap about those under him unless they aren't doing what he told them to? If they do what he wants and the company makes money the get their bonus as agreed at the time of their hire. If they don't do it or if he was wrong they all should lose out. Wall Street doesn't suppress individuality it focuses on individuals that can perform. Having a degree doesn't mean squat. Being a tough leader that can make the followers with degrees do what you want them to does.

Indeed, a college degree doesn't mean crap to those who work on wall street. In fact, though the degree might get you in the door, if you don' preform then you're out on your ass. I might even go as far as saying that formal education might hinder you in many respects.
 
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Contradicting your own point ya know. May act individually, but there's still a team around you. There's no such thing as a successful individual. If someone's successful it's because they had help be it business, politics, military, or anythign else. Businesspeople need employees, politicians need advisors, militaries need personnel. No one wins or achieves all by their lonesome.

Few years back when World of Warcraft was at its peak popularity, was a thing about how many Fortune 500 companies were hiring only those candidates who also played the game since it emphasized teamwork. This myth of individual success might work as propaganda, but in reality you never see it.

You seem to be using a whole lot of words to express the infamous "You did not build that!"
 
The collective is the very basis of human society, in this modern world we have the luxury/curse of being insulated from the rest of humanity and therefore ignorant of the armies of faceless people who make our self imposed isolation possible.

The man who thinks that he exemplifies glorious individualism in a world where everything you eat, wear and shelter under is the product of thousands of people is a narcissistic fool. Individualism is a luxury, removed from our comfortable homes and thrust into a bare survival situation we would have to learn to put the team first or perish.
 
You would think the collective would be the best way to describe the GOP. Being 90% white and all.
And what % of Blacks voted for 'Bobo'?
You can not call any military a 'collective'.
In fact any military is structured to be VERY hierarchal. To prove such a simple point all one needs to do is list the hundreds of military ranks: US Army Military Ranks, lowest to highest You can take 1000 off at random off any street anywhere on the planet N. Korea excepted) and put them together to preform any 'collective' action and you will soon see the natural born leaders soon take over. It's literally in their genes to dominate and excel.
The 'sheepele' are more than happy not to take any personal responsibility and will do what their leaders tell them.
This is 'Social Darwinism'. LIB/Socialism/Marxism/Communism has NEVER worked in any country over time. Eventually each of those social experiments has failed. Even good old China is moving quietly from Communism to Capitalism. Why? B/c Communism worked great on paper but in reality the wrenches in the spokes were always people who wanted to excel and dominate and frankly 'get rich'. (Just like the leaders of every Communist Party have done). Funny old world.
 
The collective is the very basis of human society, in this modern world we have the luxury/curse of being insulated from the rest of humanity and therefore ignorant of the armies of faceless people who make our self imposed isolation possible.

The man who thinks that he exemplifies glorious individualism in a world where everything you eat, wear and shelter under is the product of thousands of people is a narcissistic fool. Individualism is a luxury, removed from our comfortable homes and thrust into a bare survival situation we would have to learn to put the team first or perish.
You are confusing the words collectivism and society. They are not synonomous. The collectivist believes that he, as part of the collective, is entitled to anothers' goods or services, like a family member. An individual in a "free" society (using the term relatively, as no one is absolutely free) is more like the child that grew up, got a job, makes money and pays for the goods and services that he chooses.
 
".......into a bare survival situation we would have to learn to put the team first or perish."
What a 'load'. You obviously have never been in an actual survival situation with a group of people. I have.
Let me fill you in on a bit of reality.
The first thing 'the group' instinctively does is choose their leader/s. The 'group' must have a leader as a boat must have a rudder.
You must have heard the 'truism' about how when a 'committee' tries to get something done nothing gets done.
I have actually sat in a room full of LIBs attempting to 'rule by committee'. I never saw so many LIB 'Metros' run crying from the room when some one finally offered that perhaps if a chair person was chosen to help guide the meeting every one would stop wasting their time.
 
".......into a bare survival situation we would have to learn to put the team first or perish."
What a 'load'. You obviously have never been in an actual survival situation with a group of people. I have.
Let me fill you in on a bit of reality.
The first thing 'the group' instinctively does is choose their leader/s. The 'group' must have a leader as a boat must have a rudder.
You must have heard the 'truism' about how when a 'committee' tries to get something done nothing gets done.
I have actually sat in a room full of LIBs attempting to 'rule by committee'. I never saw so many LIB 'Metros' run crying from the room when some one finally offered that perhaps if a chair person was chosen to help guide the meeting every one would stop wasting their time.

Which is also why Occupy Wall-Street was a massive do-nothing failure without a message. It was beta paradise among a bunch of metrosexual crybabies; none of which had any true leadership ability or alpha qualities, which of course, is why they found themselves in the position they did despite being a bunch of rich liberals with liberal arts degrees. Indeed, money does not always equal power as they would assume.
 
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You have the freedom to give someone your money to play with.
If you think for an INSTANCE it's actually being spent as a useful resource by the Symbol you selected, you are completely in error.
Investing in IBM, for instance, is meaningless, except as a leap of faith.

Who's faith? My individual faith. Lets call it individual freedom of association and to do with what I please with my property; however limited it may be.

Absolutely; you have the individual liberty to trust anyone with your money.
Just don't always believe they'll do with your money what they state they're doing.

Very well.
 
Gavin McInnes recently wrote a piece titled "Teamwork is Overrated." It is the epitome of why modern liberal ideology drags us all into mediocrity. Perhaps the best quote from the article is the following ...

“Only incompetent people love the team, and they love it because it makes it harder to discover their incompetence.”

This is liberal ideology in a nutshell. Enjoy Teamwork Is Overrated - Taki's Magazine

There are some things that just aren't up to be teamed. When I was practicing the 'team' would sometimes take it upon themselves to tell me what medication to prescribe. Of course, they didn't know that the one they thought would be great interacted with the patient's primary care medicine, or that he had liver damage which contraindicated their fave, or that their fave targeted the wrong neurotransmitters, or that the 'team' is not licensed to prescribe. I was the only one licensed to prescribe. So, I made the medication decisions. If the team wants to decide the meds, the team needs to get the requisite education and get the license.

I agree. There are times when teamwork is overrated. But we still have to tolerate the team. It's how it's done.
 
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Gavin McInnes recently wrote a piece titled "Teamwork is Overrated." It is the epitome of why modern liberal ideology drags us all into mediocrity. Perhaps the best quote from the article is the following ...

“Only incompetent people love the team, and they love it because it makes it harder to discover their incompetence.”

This is liberal ideology in a nutshell. Enjoy Teamwork Is Overrated - Taki's Magazine

There are some things that just aren't up to be teamed. When I was practicing the 'team' would sometimes take it upon themselves to tell me what medication to prescribe. Of course, they didn't know that the one they thought would be great interacted with the patient's primary care medicine, or that he had liver damage which contraindicated their fave, or that their fave targeted the wrong neurotransmitters, or that the 'team' is not licensed to prescribe. I was the only one licensed to prescribe. So, I made the medication decisions. If the team wants to decide the meds, the team needs to get the requisite education and get the license.

I agree. There are times when teamwork is overrated. But we still have to tolerate the team. It's how it's done.

Sure, lets tolerate the team. There will always be followers among leaders.
 
Gavin McInnes recently wrote a piece titled "Teamwork is Overrated." It is the epitome of why modern liberal ideology drags us all into mediocrity. Perhaps the best quote from the article is the following ...

“Only incompetent people love the team, and they love it because it makes it harder to discover their incompetence.”

This is liberal ideology in a nutshell. Enjoy Teamwork Is Overrated - Taki's Magazine

some crazy shit here.


keep posting. it helps your opponents
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Yeah, you cock sucking republicans hate
-Police
-Fire department
-Tax payer paid infrastructure
-Our science programs from nasa to nws.
-SSI for our old and ssd for our disabled
-Education for all of our children.

Your world is a very sick one indeed.
 
Gavin McInnes recently wrote a piece titled "Teamwork is Overrated." It is the epitome of why modern liberal ideology drags us all into mediocrity. Perhaps the best quote from the article is the following ...

“Only incompetent people love the team, and they love it because it makes it harder to discover their incompetence.”

This is liberal ideology in a nutshell. Enjoy Teamwork Is Overrated - Taki's Magazine

Whatever dingus you're deifying, he clearly never served in the military as part of a team. The Rambo, Army of One idea is utter nonsense. An individual is a liability, a teammate is an asset.

Our military is better trained than most. The best of the best become SEALS, for instance, so the mediocre are left behind.

It would be so nice if that were true for our school teachers, who rely on unions and collective bargaining. The losers just grab onto the coattails of the competent.
 

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