Why is there no national Conservative Party in the US?

[Lumpy 1]

Answer: Conservatives adopted extreme positions on wedge issues:

• 
  
  
  • Gun control
  • Immigration
  • Gay & Lesbian equal rights
  • Equal pay for equal work
  • Minimum wage
  • Voting Rights
  • Abortion
  • Failure to stand up to growing racism
  • Calling all Republicans who challenge them on the above issues RINO's.

Additionally, fiscal conservatives have evolved into being fiscally irresponsible, and the Republican Leadership has put their jobs first and caved by supporting the extremism which has taken over the GOP.

Both major parties, in the past, have taken the high road in terms of human rights. Today the Crazy New Right has shown nothing but contempt in their callous disregard for human rights.

Ask yourself if their ideology incorporates human rights into each of the bullet points above? Maybe they feel human rights need to be respected by China, Iran, Russia, etc. but not in the United States of America. Moral Relativism seems alive and well in the Right Wing in America.

Actually, the real answer to your question has to do with the evolution of partisan politics in the United States. The problem is that nowadays there's scarcely a true conservative (nor liberal) in existence. In the 21st century it's all about partisanship for the sake of partisanship. Both sides are happy to take up whatever belief serves their partisanship.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Answer: Conservatives adopted extreme positions on wedge issues:

• 
  
  
  • Gun control
  • Immigration
  • Gay & Lesbian equal rights
  • Equal pay for equal work
  • Minimum wage
  • Voting Rights
  • Abortion
  • Failure to stand up to growing racism
  • Calling all Republicans who challenge them on the above issues RINO's.

Additionally, fiscal conservatives have evolved into being fiscally irresponsible, and the Republican Leadership has put their jobs first and caved by supporting the extremism which has taken over the GOP.

Both major parties, in the past, have taken the high road in terms of human rights. Today the Crazy New Right has shown nothing but contempt in their callous disregard for human rights.

Ask yourself if their ideology incorporates human rights into each of the bullet points above? Maybe they feel human rights need to be respected by China, Iran, Russia, etc. but not in the United States of America. Moral Relativism seems alive and well in the Right Wing in America.

I'm more interested in your definition of 'extreme positions' than I am in your characterization of conservatives. Just because they disagree with you doesn't necessarily make them 'extreme'.

Perhaps you could expand on that?

I can, and I will sense you are the first polite conservative I've run into recently.

Gun Control - There is no willingness on the right (I'll use 'right' to include all those who will not consider any aspect of gun control) to consider the consequences of the NRA's position on gun control. This position advocates more guns in the hands of more citizens (and as a consequence, more non citizens) including those convicted of crimes of crimes of violence. There should (IMO) be an open debate on gun control, the right absolutely refuses to do so and always falls back on the wording of the Second Amendment, without, apparently, any thought to the victims of gun violence

Immigration - The Senate passed a comprehensive bill over 500 days ago and the Boehner lead house has refused to take any action on the bill.

Gay & Lesbian Rights - essentially the right to marry. A full court press has been the policy of the GOP/social conservatives to deprive these citizens of the benefits of marriage.

Equal Pay for equal work - the GOP opposed the equal rights amendment; every Republican Senator vote NO; only 4 members of the H. of Rep. voted yes on the Lilly Ledbetter Bill.

Minimum wage - There is no support by member of the GOP in Congress to raise the MW.

Voting Rights - Why is the GOP interested in proper ID's and have not funded by an act the money and the proper form of ID? Why have GOP Governors limited access to the polls by changing hours, reducing the numbers and moving polling places from likely Democratic voters away from the community where they live?

Abortion - Members of state legislatures and Republican Governors have moved to make women who seek abortion to submit to unreasonable and unnecessary medical procedures, and closed clinics offering family planning.

Elected officials in the GOP rarely speak out on the growing racism in America. The last person in the GOP to do so, I recall, was Sen. McCain during the 2008 campaign ("He's an Arab").

I've used the GOP and Conservative to describe the right wing, since those I describe above would call those Republicans who are not extreme conservatives to be RINO's.

PS Those so called conservatives who posted above have answered the question. Yes, that type of conservative is dumb. Not less smart, DUMB! A shoutout to Lumpy and CrusaderFrank.

 

[TemplarKormac]

CrusaderFrank is well known as someone who will post an idiot-gram in place of anything of substance.

Something like this little piece of ad hominem?

 

[Wry Catcher]

CrusaderFrank is well known as someone who will post an idiot-gram in place of anything of substance.

Something like this little piece of ad hominem?

&(((&^%$#)&$

 

[Listening]

Why is there no Labour Party in the U.S.?
Because the liberals who would populate it adopted such extreme measures they could never get elected. As Democrats just proved in the last election.
Id swear CumCatcher and Billy Triple Zip are merely socks for each other.

My bet was on CumCatcher and JakeTheFakeSnarkey.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

CrusaderFrank is well known as someone who will post an idiot-gram in place of anything of substance.

Something like this little piece of ad hominem?

Wry is a pseudo-intellectual. He's smart, not like everybody says, like dumb! He's smart and he wants respect!

 

[Wry Catcher]

I answered a polite question in post #22; please read it and keep in mind that post #23 was an idiot-gram and an ad hominem typical of assholes to whom I do not respond. Of course a few others I consider half wits will ad single sentence personal attacks because they cannot refute post #22

 

[blackhawk]

Why do people act like the opinions and talking points they post are facts?

 

[TemplarKormac]

CrusaderFrank is well known as someone who will post an idiot-gram in place of anything of substance.

Something like this little piece of ad hominem?

&(((&^%$#)&$

Perhaps you should keep the cat off the keyboard..though, I may get a more intelligent response. Can he come back?

 

[Kosh]

Next thing this far left drone will be posting is that socialism is "right wing"..

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why do people act like the opinions and talking points they post are facts?

If you don't want a sarcastic answer ... well, you know the drill. What part of the bullet points are opinions? Come on, you can do it, refute them if they are only opinions.

 

[Kosh]

Why do people act like the opinions and talking points they post are facts?

If you don't want a sarcastic answer ... well, you know the drill. What part of the bullet points are opinions? Come on, you can do it, refute them if they are only opinions.

The irony impairment of the far left is becoming legendary here.

I bet you think Socialism is "right wing".

 

[Wry Catcher]

Is there no one who was/is offended by post #22 and the OP smart enough to post a rebuttal? Seems as if the usual members of the echo chamber have the ability to write one sentence, not a substantive sentence and not one bit of evidence to even suggest I'm not spot on.

I'm sorry if some (well, one moron) believes I'm a faux intellectual, I make no claim to being the sharpest knife in the drawer. But, since it seems I'm in the spoon slot, I must be sharper then the others.

 

[Kosh]

Is there no one who was/is offended by post #22 and the OP smart enough to post a rebuttal? Seems as if the usual members of the echo chamber have the ability to write one sentence, not a substantive sentence and not one bit of evidence to even suggest I'm not spot on.

I'm sorry if some (well, one moron) believes I'm a faux intellectual, I make no claim to being the sharpest knife in the drawer. But, since it seems I'm in the spoon slot, I must be sharper then the others.

And the far left shows proves once again that far left religious dogma rules over reality!

See this is the current system for the far left drones, post known bunk far left religious propaganda and expect others to prove them wrong!

Which means they are not here for a "debate" they are here to push their religious agenda as "fact" even though it is no where close to reality.

To this one the National Socialist Party is "right wing"..

 

[Listening]

Is there no one who was/is offended by post #22 and the OP smart enough to post a rebuttal? Seems as if the usual members of the echo chamber have the ability to write one sentence, not a substantive sentence and not one bit of evidence to even suggest I'm not spot on.

I'm sorry if some (well, one moron) believes I'm a faux intellectual, I make no claim to being the sharpest knife in the drawer. But, since it seems I'm in the spoon slot, I must be sharper then the others.

I failed to see anything offensive about post #22.

Like so many liberals you are tolerant until someone has a different point of view.

The GOP and any other group has every right to fight for what they want in the public arena. If that means not allowing gays to marry...that is their perogative. It makes them neither smart nor dumb, tolerant or not. They could oppose it for any number of reasons....

Point is....that is their choice. You simply chose to post and say that because they feel different from you....they are somehow bad or wrong.

Real liberal of you.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Answer: Conservatives adopted extreme positions on wedge issues:

• 
  
  
  • Gun control
  • Immigration
  • Gay & Lesbian equal rights
  • Equal pay for equal work
  • Minimum wage
  • Voting Rights
  • Abortion
  • Failure to stand up to growing racism
  • Calling all Republicans who challenge them on the above issues RINO's.

Additionally, fiscal conservatives have evolved into being fiscally irresponsible, and the Republican Leadership has put their jobs first and caved by supporting the extremism which has taken over the GOP.

Both major parties, in the past, have taken the high road in terms of human rights. Today the Crazy New Right has shown nothing but contempt in their callous disregard for human rights.

Ask yourself if their ideology incorporates human rights into each of the bullet points above? Maybe they feel human rights need to be respected by China, Iran, Russia, etc. but not in the United States of America. Moral Relativism seems alive and well in the Right Wing in America.

Nay, you know not the difference between conservative and Republican!

SILENCE!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Is there no one who was/is offended by post #22 and the OP smart enough to post a rebuttal? Seems as if the usual members of the echo chamber have the ability to write one sentence, not a substantive sentence and not one bit of evidence to even suggest I'm not spot on.

I'm sorry if some (well, one moron) believes I'm a faux intellectual, I make no claim to being the sharpest knife in the drawer. But, since it seems I'm in the spoon slot, I must be sharper then the others.

And the far left shows proves once again that far left religious dogma rules over reality!

See this is the current system for the far left drones, post known bunk far left religious propaganda and expect others to prove them wrong!

Which means they are not here for a "debate" they are here to push their religious agenda as "fact" even though it is no where close to reality.

To this one the National Socialist Party is "right wing"..

You forgot to refute the bullet points. I know it must have been an oversight, as the mental effort to post the above must have exhausted you.

Rest, and then read the bullet points, try just to refute one, then rest again.

 

[Kosh]

Is there no one who was/is offended by post #22 and the OP smart enough to post a rebuttal? Seems as if the usual members of the echo chamber have the ability to write one sentence, not a substantive sentence and not one bit of evidence to even suggest I'm not spot on.

I'm sorry if some (well, one moron) believes I'm a faux intellectual, I make no claim to being the sharpest knife in the drawer. But, since it seems I'm in the spoon slot, I must be sharper then the others.

And the far left shows proves once again that far left religious dogma rules over reality!

See this is the current system for the far left drones, post known bunk far left religious propaganda and expect others to prove them wrong!

Which means they are not here for a "debate" they are here to push their religious agenda as "fact" even though it is no where close to reality.

To this one the National Socialist Party is "right wing"..

You forgot to refute the bullet points. I know it must have been an oversight, as the mental effort to post the above must have exhausted you.

Rest, and then read the bullet points, try just to refute one, then rest again.

See this far left irony impaired drone just proved my comments.

Post known far left propaganda bunk then expect others to prove them wrong!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Answer: Conservatives adopted extreme positions on wedge issues:

• 
  
  
  • Gun control
  • Immigration
  • Gay & Lesbian equal rights
  • Equal pay for equal work
  • Minimum wage
  • Voting Rights
  • Abortion
  • Failure to stand up to growing racism
  • Calling all Republicans who challenge them on the above issues RINO's.

Additionally, fiscal conservatives have evolved into being fiscally irresponsible, and the Republican Leadership has put their jobs first and caved by supporting the extremism which has taken over the GOP.

Both major parties, in the past, have taken the high road in terms of human rights. Today the Crazy New Right has shown nothing but contempt in their callous disregard for human rights.

Ask yourself if their ideology incorporates human rights into each of the bullet points above? Maybe they feel human rights need to be respected by China, Iran, Russia, etc. but not in the United States of America. Moral Relativism seems alive and well in the Right Wing in America.

• Gun control

Gun control is a Leftist scam designed to provide them the means to acquire power.

• Immigration

You're speaking of the legalization of ILLEGAL entry into the US; fraudulently using a term that speaks to LEGAL ENTRY into the US, as a deceitful means to influence the ignorant.

• Gay & Lesbian equal rights

The Sexually Abnormal have the same rights as everyone else. You need to project that there are rights which they have which they are unable to exercise, and that they're unable to do so because of some prejudice against them.

There are no rights which the sexually abnormal have that they cannot exercise. As with all of the above issues, the 'Gay Rights' issue is a scam of deceits, fraudulently advanced as a means to influence the ignorant.

• Equal pay for equal work

No Conservative anywhere is advocating for anyone to be paid less than the individual is worth. As with all of the above issues, the 'Equal pay for work' issue is a scam of deceits, fraudulently advanced as a means to influence the ignorant.

• Minimum wage

Minimum Wage is zero... for the minimal work, which is zero. You're advocating that someone should be paid more than zero for zero work. You're advocating that people of zero to no skills be paid more for their time than their time is worth. This produces the official policy of payment for zero production. Placing value upon nothing. establishes that that which was paid for nothing, equals nothing. Therefore payment for zero production inflates (Devalues) the currency common to the official state which set the values of the currency through its policy to trade value for no value.

As with all of the above issues, the 'Minimum wage' issue is a scam of deceits, fraudulently advanced as a means to influence the ignorant.

• Voting Rights

No Conservative anywhere is attempting to usurp the means of anyone to vote their conscience. Conservatives are however defending the process from the Ideological Left's incessant attempt to corrupt the process, as a means to acquire power, rationalized that such is justified by virtue of their subjective needs.

As with all of the above issues, the 'Voting Rights' issue is a scam of deceits, fraudulently advanced as a means to influence the ignorant.

• Abortion

Abortion is the taking of the human life, which was conceived as a direct result of the Mother's willful actions. It is justified by invalid, irrational reasoning which seeks to avoid responsibility for one's actions, on several levels or false choices, resulting in the claim of a false right. In TRUTH, there is no potential for a right, which in the exercise thereof, the exercise itself deprives another of the means to exercise their own rights.

As with all of the above issues, the 'Abortion' issue is a scam of deceits, fraudulently advanced as a means to influence the ignorant.

• Failure to stand up to growing racism

The Ideological Left is wholly responsible for the 'growing racism'. it is being generated intentionally, the basis for such is absolutely false and it is false on every conceivable level and you, of the Ideological Left KNOW that it false and they are intentionally promoting AS TRUTH, that which they know to be false.

As with all of the above issues, the 'growing racism' issue is a scam of deceits, fraudulently advanced as a means to influence the ignorant.

• Calling all Republicans who challenge them on the above issues RINO's.

There is no end to the open and honest debates within the GOP on all of the host of issues, some noted above, that are before all of us living in this nation.

Where Republicans come to advocate for irrational ideas, deceitfully promoting ideas which they should know better than to even consider, and they do so through fraudulence, as a means to influence the ignorant, we know them by their rotten fruit and, by that rotten fruit, we know that they ARE, IN TRUTH: 'Republicans' in name only.

Additionally, fiscal conservatives have evolved into being fiscally irresponsible, and the Republican Leadership has put their jobs first and caved by supporting the extremism which has taken over the GOP.

So you should define the term: Irresponsible. Take the term 'fiscal conservative', define it.

From there take the policies advocated by fiscal conservatives, state the reasons why 'fiscal conservatives' say they advocate for such, then demonstrate how the reason is false and show the inevitable or otherwise predictable results of that policy and how such cannot result in what the 'fiscal conservatives' claim that they are seeking. THEN, through that exercise you would ESTABLISH THE FISCAL CONSERVATIVES AS IRRESPONSIBLE.

Of course, you cannot do that. And you cannot do it, because given the nature of the fiscal conservative and the science of economics resting in the natural laws of mathematics, and given that objective truth is intrinsic to natural law, there is no means to show that the goals which the "fiscal conservatives' claim to promote, will not be reached through their policy advocacies.

So instead, as a relativist, you're only option is to lie through your rotten rhetorical teeth.

But hey... such is the nature of evil, now isn't. So that serves reason ... doesn't it?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Is there no one who was/is offended by post #22 and the OP smart enough to post a rebuttal? Seems as if the usual members of the echo chamber have the ability to write one sentence, not a substantive sentence and not one bit of evidence to even suggest I'm not spot on.

I'm sorry if some (well, one moron) believes I'm a faux intellectual, I make no claim to being the sharpest knife in the drawer. But, since it seems I'm in the spoon slot, I must be sharper then the others.

I failed to see anything offensive about post #22.

Like so many liberals you are tolerant until someone has a different point of view.

The GOP and any other group has every right to fight for what they want in the public arena. If that means not allowing gays to marry...that is their perogative. It makes them neither smart nor dumb, tolerant or not. They could oppose it for any number of reasons....

Point is....that is their choice. You simply chose to post and say that because they feel different from you....they are somehow bad or wrong.

Real liberal of you.

You made an interesting point, I'm surprised. The fact is I understand that there are bigots and racists in both parties and on both sides of the aisle. It seems only one side shouts down such intolerance, and that is the side I support.