Zone1 Why is there fear of Black people?

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I love this photo

 

[Hector12]

That's also not how statistics work, Mariyam.

It's the concentration that makes it an issue.

According to Whitehouse(.)gov, 1 out of every 3 Black men have a felony conviction.

Expanding Economic Opportunity for Formerly Incarcerated Persons | CEA | The White House

In Chapter 5 of the recently released Economic Report of the President (ERP), CEA discusses economic inequality driven by non-competitive labor markets, and racial and gender discrimination. In recognition of Second Chance Month celebrated annually in April, this blog focuses on one vulnerable...

www.whitehouse.gov

Here is another from American Progress...1 out of every 3 Black men will go to prison for a felony.

The Top 10 Most Startling Facts About People of Color and Criminal Justice in the United States

Sophia Kerby examines some of the most troubling racial disparities in our criminal-justice system and makes the case for a new movement for racial justice in America.

www.americanprogress.org

You have to do some extrapolation from this website...

Study estimates U.S. population with felony convictions - UGA Today

New research led by a University of Georgia sociologist on the growth in the scope and scale of felony convictions finds that, as of 2010, 3 percent of

news.uga.edu

...to come up with the White folks with felony conviction (likely to avoid this very comparison) of about 1 out of every 20.

That is a HUGE gap.

Boiled down...statistically, if you meet three Black men today, one will be a convicted criminal.

If I meet 3 White guys today, statistically NONE will be a convicted criminal.

If you meet 10 Black men today, 3 would be convicted criminals.

If I meet 10 White men today, still, statistically, none would be convicted criminals.

If you meet 100 Black men today, 33 will be convicted criminals.

If I meet 100 White men, 5 will be convicted criminals.

It's not totals crimes. It's the concentration.

According to the anti racists the high rate of felony convictions among black men is due to white racism. If you disagree you are considered to be a racist who is somehow responsible for the high rate of black incarceration.

 

[Hector12]

I love this photo

What are we ignorant of that would cause us to agree with you if we knew it?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

That's also not how statistics work, Mariyam.

It's the concentration that makes it an issue.

According to Whitehouse(.)gov, 1 out of every 3 Black men have a felony conviction.

And how did they get those felony convictions?

Zone1 - FBI Crime Statistics: What These Numbers Really Represent

I began attempting to explain the problem with the FBI crime "statistic" numbers that are used to portray Black people in America as more criminally inclined than other groups maybe close to 10 years ago. In any case it was very close to the time I first found out about the Tulsa Oklahoma race...

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This is from another of my older posts cited below but I wanted you to specifically see this:

"Slavery By Another Name"

After the Civil War, slavery persisted in the form of convict leasing, a system in which Southern states leased prisoners to private railways, mines, and large plantations. While states profited, prisoners earned no pay and faced inhumane, dangerous, and often deadly work conditions. Thousands of Black people were forced into what authors have termed “slavery by another name” until the 1930s.
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The Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1865, prohibited slavery and involuntary servitude, but explicitly exempted those convicted of crime. In response, Southern state legislatures quickly passed “Black Codes” – new laws that explicitly applied only to Black people and subjected them to criminal prosecution for “offenses” such as loitering, breaking curfew, vagrancy, having weapons, and not carrying proof of employment. Crafted to ensnare Black people and return them to chains, these laws were effective; for the first time in U.S. history, many state penal systems held more Black prisoners than white – all of whom could be leased for profit.​

Convict Leasing.​

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NewsVine_Mariyam Thread 150​

The high rate of black incarceration is the result of high black crime rates; it is not the cause of it.​

LOL of course you believe this.

Black people do not commit more crime than whites, but as a race we are often unconstitutionally racially profiled and discriminated against at every phase of the criminal justice system which leads to more arrests, logically more convictions and most time harsher sentences for the same crimes as whites.

Minority motorists have long complained that state police officers along the New Jersey Turnpike single them out for drug searches based on race and ethnicity. These complaints were given credibility in 1996, when a Gloucester County judge ruled that state troopers had used illegal profiling along the southern end of the turnpike. The state police disputed that finding at the time and continued to insist that its officers operated without racial prejudice.​

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Records supplied to lawyers who were suing the police for discrimination suggest otherwise. They show that the department's own internal audits produced evidence of racial profiling as early as the fall of 1996.
Opinion | The Truth About Racial Profiling (Published 2000).
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When white mobs were torching the most affluent Black neighborhoods throughout the country, how is it that not a single white person served any time for those major violent crimes, NEVER, EVER?

3,000 perpetrators whose crimes were never added to the tally in just the one incident of race massacre of the "Black Wall Street".

The Tulsa race massacre, also known as the Tulsa race riot or the Black Wall Street massacre,[12] was a two-day-long white supremacist terrorist[13][14] massacre[15] that took place between May 31 – June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents, some of whom had been appointed as deputies and armed by city government officials,[16] attacked black residents and destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The event is considered one of the worst incidents of racial violence in American history.[17][18] The attackers burned and destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the neighborhood—at the time one of the wealthiest black communities in the United States, colloquially known as "Black Wall Street."[19]
Tulsa race massacre - Wikipedia.
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What about when lies get Black people killed and the perpetrators are never arrested?

Emmett Louis Till (July 25, 1941 – August 28, 1955) was an African American boy who was abducted, tortured, and lynched in Mississippi in 1955 at the age of 14, after being accused of offending a white woman, Carolyn Bryant, in her family's grocery store. The brutality of his murder and the acquittal of his killers drew attention to the long history of violent persecution of African Americans in the United States. Till posthumously became an icon of the civil rights movement.[2]
Emmett Till - Wikipedia
Note by OP: Local law enforcement knew where Carolyn Bryant lived and gave as an excuse for not arresting her for the false accusation that got Emmett Till murdered "she had young kids and we didn't want to bother her"​

"Slavery By Another Name"

After the Civil War, slavery persisted in the form of convict leasing, a system in which Southern states leased prisoners to private railways, mines, and large plantations. While states profited, prisoners earned no pay and faced inhumane, dangerous, and often deadly work conditions. Thousands of Black people were forced into what authors have termed “slavery by another name” until the 1930s.​

The Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1865, prohibited slavery and involuntary servitude, but explicitly exempted those convicted of crime. In response, Southern state legislatures quickly passed “Black Codes” – new laws that explicitly applied only to Black people and subjected them to criminal prosecution for “offenses” such as loitering, breaking curfew, vagrancy, having weapons, and not carrying proof of employment. Crafted to ensnare Black people and return them to chains, these laws were effective; for the first time in U.S. history, many state penal systems held more Black prisoners than white – all of whom could be leased for profit.​

Convict Leasing.​

It sounds like you are only familiar with the "white" versions of American history instead of the entirely of it.

 

[Missourian]

According to the anti racists the high rate of felony convictions among black men is due to white racism. If you disagree you are considered to be a racist who is somehow responsible for the high rate of black incarceration.

Then why does no one ever argue that these people that were convicted are innocent?

Because there is video of them commiting the crime, or bodycam footage of them fighting with police.

Remember after Michael Brown they were THRILLED to get police to wear body cameras...right up until bodycan footage was used in court to convict EASILY resisting arrest charges?

Then, suddenly, bodycams were racist.

 

[Coyote]

If it was FBI data, you would still reject it.

I have never seen FBI data that breaks down criminals both by race and whether they operate in “packs“ or singly. Got a link?

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

If you understood what the word "privilege" actually means, then you would understand the truth in what you've been told, including "all white people including homeless whites are privileged".

"Having privilege does not mean that an individual is immune to life's hardships, but it does mean having an unearned benefit or advantage one receives in society by nature of their identity."



My complete comment can be viewed here:
Zone1 - How Do Black People Define Racism?

My friend, there are no unearned benefits for poor white or poor Black people. It’s a fact that it’s undeniable and only something that social engineers or propagandists would have us deny

Specifically, this idea of an unearned benefit comes straight from left-wing BLM fanatics. some of them are millionaires living in mansions. .. who loot money from their donors. In someway, these people are evil trying to convince you that somebody who is clearly not privileged has some kind of a “racial benefit.”

And when we talk about poor white or Black people, it is poor white and poor black men who are at the bottom of society. They don’t get any benefits from anybody. They are often looked down upon and its impossible to suggest they are somehow privileged.

It’s a simple straightforward issue. But in today’s day and age, the simple things the common sense the every day accepted facts of life are trying to be changed by fanatical people. That is why for example we have the arguments for reparations for descendants of black slaves, even though white people have descendants who were slaves. And why we have people who believe that a man can play on a woman’s sports team. This is not right it is not in line with Christianity or civilized values, and it will not be accepted in the long term. all across the world people are accepting common sense and fighting against leftist/blm racism and standing up for civility.

 

[leftwinger]

And how did they get those felony convictions?

uh…..they made too much noise in Sunday Church services? Get off the boards you spinning bag of hot air.

 

[Missourian]

And how did they get those felony convictions?

Zone1 - FBI Crime Statistics: What These Numbers Really Represent

I began attempting to explain the problem with the FBI crime "statistic" numbers that are used to portray Black people in America as more criminally inclined than other groups maybe close to 10 years ago. In any case it was very close to the time I first found out about the Tulsa Oklahoma race...

www.usmessageboard.com

This is from another of my older posts cited below but I wanted you to specifically see this:

"Slavery By Another Name"

After the Civil War, slavery persisted in the form of convict leasing, a system in which Southern states leased prisoners to private railways, mines, and large plantations. While states profited, prisoners earned no pay and faced inhumane, dangerous, and often deadly work conditions. Thousands of Black people were forced into what authors have termed “slavery by another name” until the 1930s.​

​

The Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1865, prohibited slavery and involuntary servitude, but explicitly exempted those convicted of crime. In response, Southern state legislatures quickly passed “Black Codes” – new laws that explicitly applied only to Black people and subjected them to criminal prosecution for “offenses” such as loitering, breaking curfew, vagrancy, having weapons, and not carrying proof of employment. Crafted to ensnare Black people and return them to chains, these laws were effective; for the first time in U.S. history, many state penal systems held more Black prisoners than white – all of whom could be leased for profit.​

Convict Leasing.​

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LOL of course you believe this.

Black people do not commit more crime than whites, but as a race we are often unconstitutionally racially profiled and discriminated against at every phase of the criminal justice system which leads to more arrests, logically more convictions and most time harsher sentences for the same crimes as whites.

Minority motorists have long complained that state police officers along the New Jersey Turnpike single them out for drug searches based on race and ethnicity. These complaints were given credibility in 1996, when a Gloucester County judge ruled that state troopers had used illegal profiling along the southern end of the turnpike. The state police disputed that finding at the time and continued to insist that its officers operated without racial prejudice.​

​

Records supplied to lawyers who were suing the police for discrimination suggest otherwise. They show that the department's own internal audits produced evidence of racial profiling as early as the fall of 1996.​

Opinion | The Truth About Racial Profiling (Published 2000).​

​

When white mobs were torching the most affluent Black neighborhoods throughout the country, how is it that not a single white person served any time for those major violent crimes, NEVER, EVER?

3,000 perpetrators whose crimes were never added to the tally in just the one incident of race massacre of the "Black Wall Street".

The Tulsa race massacre, also known as the Tulsa race riot or the Black Wall Street massacre,[12] was a two-day-long white supremacist terrorist[13][14] massacre[15] that took place between May 31 – June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents, some of whom had been appointed as deputies and armed by city government officials,[16] attacked black residents and destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The event is considered one of the worst incidents of racial violence in American history.[17][18] The attackers burned and destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the neighborhood—at the time one of the wealthiest black communities in the United States, colloquially known as "Black Wall Street."[19]​

Tulsa race massacre - Wikipedia.​

​

What about when lies get Black people killed and the perpetrators are never arrested?

Emmett Louis Till (July 25, 1941 – August 28, 1955) was an African American boy who was abducted, tortured, and lynched in Mississippi in 1955 at the age of 14, after being accused of offending a white woman, Carolyn Bryant, in her family's grocery store. The brutality of his murder and the acquittal of his killers drew attention to the long history of violent persecution of African Americans in the United States. Till posthumously became an icon of the civil rights movement.[2]​

Emmett Till - Wikipedia​

Note by OP: Local law enforcement knew where Carolyn Bryant lived and gave as an excuse for not arresting her for the false accusation that got Emmett Till murdered "she had young kids and we didn't want to bother her"​

"Slavery By Another Name"

After the Civil War, slavery persisted in the form of convict leasing, a system in which Southern states leased prisoners to private railways, mines, and large plantations. While states profited, prisoners earned no pay and faced inhumane, dangerous, and often deadly work conditions. Thousands of Black people were forced into what authors have termed “slavery by another name” until the 1930s.​

The Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1865, prohibited slavery and involuntary servitude, but explicitly exempted those convicted of crime. In response, Southern state legislatures quickly passed “Black Codes” – new laws that explicitly applied only to Black people and subjected them to criminal prosecution for “offenses” such as loitering, breaking curfew, vagrancy, having weapons, and not carrying proof of employment. Crafted to ensnare Black people and return them to chains, these laws were effective; for the first time in U.S. history, many state penal systems held more Black prisoners than white – all of whom could be leased for profit.​

Convict Leasing.​

It sounds like you are only familiar with the "white" versions of American history instead of the entirely of it.

So...what exactly are these laws "that are crafted to only ensnare Black people"?

Your post is a little vague on that detail.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I have never seen FBI data that breaks down criminals both by race and whether they operate in “packs“ or singly. Got a link?

you are a fool, go ahead and live in your hole where blacks are not a major source of violent crime, and gangs aren't a threat either.

 

[Coyote]

you are a fool, go ahead and live in your hole where blacks are not a major source of violent crime, and gangs aren't a threat either.

I never said gangs are not a threat. Where did you pull that out of?

 

[westwall]

And how did they get those felony convictions?

Zone1 - FBI Crime Statistics: What These Numbers Really Represent

I began attempting to explain the problem with the FBI crime "statistic" numbers that are used to portray Black people in America as more criminally inclined than other groups maybe close to 10 years ago. In any case it was very close to the time I first found out about the Tulsa Oklahoma race...

www.usmessageboard.com

This is from another of my older posts cited below but I wanted you to specifically see this:

"Slavery By Another Name"

After the Civil War, slavery persisted in the form of convict leasing, a system in which Southern states leased prisoners to private railways, mines, and large plantations. While states profited, prisoners earned no pay and faced inhumane, dangerous, and often deadly work conditions. Thousands of Black people were forced into what authors have termed “slavery by another name” until the 1930s.​

​

The Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1865, prohibited slavery and involuntary servitude, but explicitly exempted those convicted of crime. In response, Southern state legislatures quickly passed “Black Codes” – new laws that explicitly applied only to Black people and subjected them to criminal prosecution for “offenses” such as loitering, breaking curfew, vagrancy, having weapons, and not carrying proof of employment. Crafted to ensnare Black people and return them to chains, these laws were effective; for the first time in U.S. history, many state penal systems held more Black prisoners than white – all of whom could be leased for profit.​

Convict Leasing.​

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LOL of course you believe this.

Black people do not commit more crime than whites, but as a race we are often unconstitutionally racially profiled and discriminated against at every phase of the criminal justice system which leads to more arrests, logically more convictions and most time harsher sentences for the same crimes as whites.

Minority motorists have long complained that state police officers along the New Jersey Turnpike single them out for drug searches based on race and ethnicity. These complaints were given credibility in 1996, when a Gloucester County judge ruled that state troopers had used illegal profiling along the southern end of the turnpike. The state police disputed that finding at the time and continued to insist that its officers operated without racial prejudice.​

​

Records supplied to lawyers who were suing the police for discrimination suggest otherwise. They show that the department's own internal audits produced evidence of racial profiling as early as the fall of 1996.​

Opinion | The Truth About Racial Profiling (Published 2000).​

​

When white mobs were torching the most affluent Black neighborhoods throughout the country, how is it that not a single white person served any time for those major violent crimes, NEVER, EVER?

3,000 perpetrators whose crimes were never added to the tally in just the one incident of race massacre of the "Black Wall Street".

The Tulsa race massacre, also known as the Tulsa race riot or the Black Wall Street massacre,[12] was a two-day-long white supremacist terrorist[13][14] massacre[15] that took place between May 31 – June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents, some of whom had been appointed as deputies and armed by city government officials,[16] attacked black residents and destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The event is considered one of the worst incidents of racial violence in American history.[17][18] The attackers burned and destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the neighborhood—at the time one of the wealthiest black communities in the United States, colloquially known as "Black Wall Street."[19]​

Tulsa race massacre - Wikipedia.​

​

What about when lies get Black people killed and the perpetrators are never arrested?

Emmett Louis Till (July 25, 1941 – August 28, 1955) was an African American boy who was abducted, tortured, and lynched in Mississippi in 1955 at the age of 14, after being accused of offending a white woman, Carolyn Bryant, in her family's grocery store. The brutality of his murder and the acquittal of his killers drew attention to the long history of violent persecution of African Americans in the United States. Till posthumously became an icon of the civil rights movement.[2]​

Emmett Till - Wikipedia​

Note by OP: Local law enforcement knew where Carolyn Bryant lived and gave as an excuse for not arresting her for the false accusation that got Emmett Till murdered "she had young kids and we didn't want to bother her"​

"Slavery By Another Name"

After the Civil War, slavery persisted in the form of convict leasing, a system in which Southern states leased prisoners to private railways, mines, and large plantations. While states profited, prisoners earned no pay and faced inhumane, dangerous, and often deadly work conditions. Thousands of Black people were forced into what authors have termed “slavery by another name” until the 1930s.​

The Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1865, prohibited slavery and involuntary servitude, but explicitly exempted those convicted of crime. In response, Southern state legislatures quickly passed “Black Codes” – new laws that explicitly applied only to Black people and subjected them to criminal prosecution for “offenses” such as loitering, breaking curfew, vagrancy, having weapons, and not carrying proof of employment. Crafted to ensnare Black people and return them to chains, these laws were effective; for the first time in U.S. history, many state penal systems held more Black prisoners than white – all of whom could be leased for profit.​

Convict Leasing.​

It sounds like you are only familiar with the "white" versions of American history instead of the entirely of it.

By committing crimes, and getting caught.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I never said gangs are not a threat. Where did you pull that out of?

I notice you didn't complain about saying blacks aren't a major source of crime. And you are claiming in all your posts that black gangs aren't the problem.

 

[Markle]

I never said gangs are not a threat. Where did you pull that out of?

So, do you agree that blacks are a threat or not?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So, do you agree that blacks are a threat or not?

Of course she doesn't agree, But I doubt you or I will get her to admit it.

 

[Hector12]

And how did they get those felony convictions?

They committed felonies.

 

[Stryder50]

I don't believe that the term "mass shooting" is a legal term. I believe it's a way of classifying and distinguishing certain aspects of mass criminal shootings.

For example, the guy who massacred all those country music fans in Las Vegas so many ago is different than a gang member shooting and killing several rival gang members. And neither of them is in the same category as either one of the two racially motivated shootings carried out against Black victims by Dylann Roof or Payton Gendron.

You may have a point on "legal" since that could vary depending on places.
Also the term is subjective ...
...
A mass shooting is a violent crime in which one or more attackers kill or injure multiple individuals simultaneously using a firearm. There is no widely accepted definition of "mass shooting" and different organizations tracking such incidents use different definitions. Definitions of mass shootings exclude warfare and sometimes exclude instances of gang violence, armed robberies, familicides and terrorism. The perpetrator of an ongoing mass shooting may be referred to as an active shooter.
...

Mass shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Coyote]

I notice you didn't complain about saying blacks aren't a major source of crime. And you are claiming in all your posts that black gangs aren't the problem.

You really have an issue with reading comprehension don’t you? Or maybe it is because you jumped into the middle of a conversation without a clue as to what it was about.

A comment was made that today are worse than the gangs of yesterday. They aren’t.

There all kinds of active gangs (estimated 33,000), street gangs, motorcycle gangs, prison gangs.

Here are lists of some of the worst:

Gang That Keeps The FBI Up At Night Now Active in Michigan

They have made their way into Michigan and several other states within the Midwest region as they continue to give the FBI headaches. Be aware of your surroundings as disaster could strike at any time.

wbxxfm.com

10 Notorious Gangs and Crime Syndicates Currently Active in the United States. – MCAC

mcac.maryland.gov

Blacks don’t seem any more or less represented than many other ethnicities.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You really have an issue with reading comprehension don’t you? Or maybe it is because you jumped into the middle of a conversation without a clue as to what it was about.

A comment was made that today are worse than the gangs of yesterday. They aren’t.

There all kinds of active gangs (estimated 33,000), street gangs, motorcycle gangs, prison gangs.

Here are lists of some of the worst:

Gang That Keeps The FBI Up At Night Now Active in Michigan

They have made their way into Michigan and several other states within the Midwest region as they continue to give the FBI headaches. Be aware of your surroundings as disaster could strike at any time.

wbxxfm.com

10 Notorious Gangs and Crime Syndicates Currently Active in the United States. – MCAC

mcac.maryland.gov

Blacks don’t seem any more or less represented than many other ethnicities.

Told ya she couldn't do it.

 

[there4eyeM]

Some emotions other than fear can be non-verbally expressed in ways that may seem similar to fear. hesitation; reticence, shyness and more may appear to be fear to the perceiver.