Why Nazis are on the far right not left

[Marener]

You mean level the playing field while loosening regs here at home to encourage domestic manufacturing. Trump is empowering people. That's what conservatism does. Liberalism makes slaves of people, takes away their rights and freedoms.

That authority exercised by a single person to punish his enemies and reward his friends is very authoritarian.

 

[whoisit]

I've always had no interest in this left/right thing when it comes to authoritarian fucks.

Hitler and the Nazis, Authoritarian fucks.
Stalin and the Bolsheviks, Authoritarian fucks.

The EU, wanna-be authoritarian fucks
SJW's of the Democratic Socialist party in the US, also wanna-be authoritarian fucks.

What does SJW mean?

 

[Lisa558]

What does SJW mean?

I’m guessing Social Justice Warrior.

 

[22lcidw]

The Soviet union lost tens of millions of people destroying your allies in Nazi Germany.

The soviet union didn't even need the lend lease program. The t34 was catastrophic for the Nazi war machine. They couldn't penetrate it's armor. And by the time the panther was produced the Nazis were losing the war.

Face it, you're mad you lost 80 years ago and want to rewrite history after you took Nazis from Germany and put them in the Republican party.

The people in the Soviet Union suffered. From the Revolution through the end of the war in 1945 there was a lot of deaths. In fact, it affects the nation to this day. Communism caused that.

 

[martybegan]

What does SJW mean?

Social Justice Warrior. Anti-fa, BLM, Trans nutters.

 

[whoisit]

Social Justice Warrior. Anti-fa, BLM, Trans nutters.

Thank you and Lisa558

 

[lg325]

Tariffs and protectionism are Left wing policies according to the text books. So is Trump a Leftist? On that subject he is taking the Leftist stand but he is taking the Right wing stand in turning more power over to the states so he is not Authoritarian in that area. I have always thought of him and stated so as an Traditional Democrat as in1970s -60s Democrat. As far as placement of the NAZI ideology I have been arguing this issue online since 1996 ,it is a totalitarian ideology and that ideology has always been on the Left. I would like to see solid definitions of political ideology as to Right/Left , Conservative/ Liberal to be agreed on in discussions like this.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

There are probably democrats who are white supremacists but there are probably democrats too who are black supremacists

Its hard to generalise

White Democrats as policy are white supremacists.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Nazism is a right wing ideology because it requires the state to protect mewling conservatives from outside threats. Their variant of "civilization" is nothing but state repression to make them feel good.

The authoritarian slant of the current admin and it's flea riddled horde of supporters is a condemnation of the state structure itself.

Did you post this while wearing state mandated mask ? How many mandated shots did you willingly get?

 

[scruffy]

I saw many Americans calling nazis left and liberal

I just had a debate with Lisa558

She thinks nazis were only about jews

They blamed jews for every perceived or real evil and wanted to exterminate them

But they were not only about jews thats why they are similar to American right

They also had other aspects like white supremacy do you think they considered blacks as equal? Also blood and soil like what they call white ethnostate nowadays and some social norms like being against degenerate art and gays

They were not only about jews

Thats why some today white nationalists still like them do you think they would approve of brown immigrants or blacks?

That's an interesting viewpoint. However it's mostly Soviet propaganda from the 50's.

You associate the right wing with racism, but actually leftists are the original racists, in America and all over the world. In America leftists started the Ku Klux Klan, arguably "the" most notorious racist institution ever in the US. It was Democrats who voted against civil rights, consistently, even through the mid 60's.

To really understand Nazi Germany, you have to dig through history. First of all, Germany is the original welfare state. It started in the late 1800's, and really took hold in the early 1900's. By 1930, most Germans were socialists.

Karl Marx was German. So was Friedrich Engels. The communist ideology started in Germany in the early 1900's. By 1930 your voting choices were either socialism or communism. The Nazis, Communists, and Socialists were competitors at the voting booth. That is the reason Hitler ended up against the Communists and the traditional socialists.

The Nazis ideology was just a flavor of socialism. It wasn't Communist because lots of Jews were communists and they got blamed for social and economic ills. Nazis were anything BUT right wing. The right wing of politics is associated with monarchy, in Germany that would have been the Kaisers, tracing all the way back to the Hapsburgs. In 1930, no one in Germany wanted monarchy in any form, they blamed the Kaisers for the loss of WW1 and the mess that followed.

Nazis are left wing authoritarians. Even today, the genuine American Nazis are all socialists. There used to be one on this board, he left because he couldn't get any traction. But you can read his posts, there's nothing right wing about them.

It is a mistake to associate the right wing with racism. In modern America, the Ku Klux Klan is full of Indians (real ones, not American Indians). Skinheads aren't right wing politically, they're just assholes. Most of them use or sell drugs (meth) these days. There are barely a handful of white supremacists left in the US, and only very few of them are right wing politically. Most of the are in fact left wing authoritarians, just like the old days.

You have to understand that in order to succeed, communism and socialism require universal participation. That is where the authoritarianism comes in. The US Democrats are the same way, they don't tolerate any deviation from the party line.

Whereas the political right wing is all over the map, there are libertarians, Trumpers, never-Trumpers, Neo-Cons, and even a few monarchists. It's true diversity, not the manufactured left wing kind that tries to create an excuse for social misfits and outcasts.

Real Nazis are very dangerous. They're seductive, politically. But the utopia never materializes. It can't, because authoritarianism is always needed to make it work. And the result is very ugly indeed

 

[whoisit]

I saw many Americans calling nazis left and liberal

I just had a debate with Lisa558

She thinks nazis were only about jews

They blamed jews for every perceived or real evil and wanted to exterminate them

But they were not only about jews thats why they are similar to American right

They also had other aspects like white supremacy do you think they considered blacks as equal? Also blood and soil like what they call white ethnostate nowadays and some social norms like being against degenerate art and gays

They were not only about jews

Thats why some today white nationalists still like them do you think they would approve of brown immigrants or blacks?

Brown immigrants are coming here and to other 1st. world nations to get away from the cultural issues their people caused in their nations, that's why they come here and to other Western nations.
Also have you heard the way blacks are treated in Africa and Middle East? Ever hear of things like TIRE NECKLACES? A horrible way to die or be killed, also Africa still enslaves its own people.
Many white Christians go there to buy back their freedom, but soon as they leave, they just put them back into slavery.

 

[whoisit]

All humans can be evil no matter who they are or what color, although some evolve from evil sooner than others.

 

[lg325]

The Nazis killed socialists and threw them in concentration camps, you statist moron.

Is this a forum full of imbeciles?

They killed those they considered threats no matter if they were Socialist or some Religion or Life style. Violence isn't always attached to Right wing, Capitalism or any other political or economic ideology. They were big believers in Eugenics and wanted their version of the Aryan Ideal and chose violence and a debunked form of science study to get there.

 

[KarsaOrlong]

Did you post this while wearing state mandated mask ? How many mandated shots did you willingly get?

Did daddy tell you to be scurred

 

[The Duke]

When is Trump going to give up his power to set tariffs?

When it's half past Go Fuck Yourself.
I'm not even bullshittin'.
What year is this? Trump's been on this thing for 4 decades, oh yeah, he's top man now and doing it and he's gonna stop?
No!!!!! Get real, it's happening. The president sets foreign relations and immigration as per the Constitution.
And the one that's in that spot now has been wanting tariffs for the US for 40 years. Well guess what?
There's going to be tariffs, and they will reduce your cost of living.
It will be fine, there will be hiccups, this is a drastic change from Americans getting sold down the river ever since Bush I. Trump has nothing to lose. He is all in on it. Part of that is y'all drove him to be that way, but it's what it is now, bitches. Many more are too. Fucktards in America are not going to win this one. No Sir.

 

[Marener]

When it's half past Go Fuck Yourself.
I'm not even bullshittin'.
What year is this? Trump's been on this thing for 4 decades, oh yeah, he's top man now and doing it and he's gonna stop?
No!!!!! Get real, it's happening. The president sets foreign relations and immigration as per the Constitution.
And the one that's in that spot now has been wanting tariffs for the US for 40 years. Well guess what?
There's going to be tariffs, and they will reduce your cost of living.
It will be fine, there will be hiccups, this is a drastic change from Americans getting sold down the river ever since Bush I.

The fact that you want authoritarianism doesn’t make it any less authoritarianism.

 

[HeyNorm]

I saw many Americans calling nazis left and liberal

I just had a debate with Lisa558

She thinks nazis were only about jews

They blamed jews for every perceived or real evil and wanted to exterminate them

But they were not only about jews thats why they are similar to American right

They also had other aspects like white supremacy do you think they considered blacks as equal? Also blood and soil like what they call white ethnostate nowadays and some social norms like being against degenerate art and gays

They were not only about jews

Thats why some today white nationalists still like them do you think they would approve of brown immigrants or blacks?

Nazis never considered all whites as equal either. They had a purity test, not of German heritage? You were inferior.

 

[KarsaOrlong]

Sounds a lot like The French Revolution which were the first Commies if you ask me, Commie.

Commie. An insult thrown at anyone who isn't insane.

Get a new playbook.

 

[The Duke]

Commie. An insult thrown at anyone who isn't insane.

Get a new playbook.

I got all your playbooks, dumbass.


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