Zone1 Why is the US the best country in the world?

[cnm]

We don’t have to say that we are great. When the wolf knocks at the door, the other countries look to the United States for help.

Jesus. The US, the only one to squeal for allies help under Article 5 of NATO.

It's like MAGAts have a self awarenessectomy.

 

[Dr Grump]

We don’t have to say that we are great. When the wolf knocks at the door, the other countries look to the United States for help.

Really, like 1991 Gulf War? Oh, that's right, the US asked for help. Like Afghanistan and Iraq? Oh, that's right, the US asked for help. Tell me, where in the past few decades has the US been asked to help?

 

[cnm]

In your opinion, it does our country a disservice. Here’s something to consider, you actually know who the leader of our country is. You listen to our president speak. I couldn’t tell you who is in charge of your country, nor what their positions are on anything. Neither could most people in the world outside of your country. That is because your country’s sphere of influence is almost zero, whereas the United States? Everyone listens.

More people listen to China down here. You guys just don't get it and won't be told.

 

[cnm]

Are there waiting lists for Americans with no health care because they cannot afford it?

Nah, they don't even get on the list, they just do the free market thing and die...

 

[cnm]

Yes because, we slapped the sh*t out of the brits. We slap EVERYONE who thinks they can defeat us. No nation can defeat the American spirit. We do not give up, we do not surrender. Its a supreme level of patriotic commitment that very few cultures could possibly understand. Dont get it twisted... if whatever country you come from had this same spirit, you would be a much better nation. All nations should have this spirit, but they dont.

"The thing that separates the Christian American apart from all other people in the world is, he will die on his feet before he will live on his knees." - George Washington

Yankee bullshit has no shame.

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"The great thing about the American Christian is he would rather die on his feet than live on his knees."​

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[cnm]

We don’t have to say that we are great.

You're just doing it out of duty?

 

[cnm]

'll also add the Battle of Britain was over by the time the US decided to join the war.

And then only did so after war was declared by Japan and Germany on the US while the rest of the allies had been spending blood and treasure in pitched battles defending the US from the fascist hordes.

This US narrative as the centre of the universe seems a very right wing thing.

 

[cnm]

Again, are you telling me there are no waiting lists for the 27 million-plus Americans that have no health insurance? So there is no 'two-tier' system in the US?

It would offend his oath to the Constitution to admit that.

 

[Dragonlady]

You appear to be too stupid or lazy to interpret a simple paragraph. Run along TrollLady.

This is the best you can do, Mike???? That some weak ass shit there.

You believe anyone is better than the USA, right now. Yet, we are still the nation that everyone turns to when they have a problem. We are the nation with which everyone wants to trade. No one looks to Germany or Japan when they are worried about another nation might attack them.

Nobody is turning to the USA to solve their problems, and they never have. The USA turned to NATO after 911. In fact, you're the ONLY NATO nation which has EVER asked for help.

And you're no longer the one anyone wants to trade with. You can thank Donald Trump, who keeps tearing up your trade agreements, and violating their terms, for why no one will write a trade deal with you. Trump doesn't abide by the terms.

You may not be aware but anyone can get healthcare insurance in the United States. We now have the PPACA insurance exchanges for those who can’t get a policy through their employer or cannot afford insurance. Countries that have the single payer system where the government pays for the healthcare insurance through taxation, wind up with a two tier system. Where those who can’t afford to pay get PMI (private medical insurance) and those that cannot are stuck waiting in line for the NHS.

You may not be aware but not everyone can get health insurance in the USA, because they can't afford it. Not only that, but the copays are ridiculous.

You haven't the vaguest clue how government funded health insurance works. There is no "two tiered system". EVERYONE waits for care except in the case of an emergency.

Private insurance simply covers the things government insurance doesn't cover. Things like semi-private hospital rooms, chiropractors, drugs and dental, which aren't always covered.

I recently suffered a heart attack and just got out of the hospital yesterday. I am a pensioner with no private health insurance, and no pull with anyone. I called my daughter to come home from work, and then called 911.

The EMT's were at my house in under 5 minutes. The 911 operator stayed on the line until they got there. They got me stabilized and took me to the hospital where a medical team was waiting to receive me. The emergency team worked quickly to send assess my condition, and then took me directly to surgery, where another team was waiting to receive me. The surgical team prepped me on the table

The heart attack started at 11:30. By 3:00 pm, I was in the cardiac ICU. Not only did I get the care I needed, there was no line, no waiting, and no difference in my treatment from when I had a Cadillac supplemental policy to now, except I had no semi-private room coverage.

I will never get a bill for any of this. The EMT's took my OHIP card, and gave the information to the hospital so I was already registered for admittance when I arrived, and the hospital had access to my medical records and information. There is no further paperwork required on my part. I just have to worry about getting better.

 

[cnm]

This is the best you can do, Mike???? That some weak ass shit there.



Nobody is turning to the USA to solve their problems, and they never have. The USA turned to NATO after 911. In fact, you're the ONLY NATO nation which has EVER asked for help.

And you're no longer the one anyone wants to trade with. You can thank Donald Trump, who keeps tearing up your trade agreements, and violating their terms, for why no one will write a trade deal with you. Trump doesn't abide by the terms.



You may not be aware but not everyone can get health insurance in the USA, because they can't afford it. Not only that, but the copays are ridiculous.

You haven't the vaguest clue how government funded health insurance works. There is no "two tiered system". EVERYONE waits for care except in the case of an emergency.

Private insurance simply covers the things government insurance doesn't cover. Things like semi-private hospital rooms, chiropractors, drugs and dental, which aren't always covered.

I recently suffered a heart attack and just got out of the hospital yesterday. I am a pensioner with no private health insurance, and no pull with anyone. I called my daughter to come home from work, and then called 911.

The EMT's were at my house in under 5 minutes. The 911 operator stayed on the line until they got there. They got me stabilized and took me to the hospital where a medical team was waiting to receive me. The emergency team worked quickly to send assess my condition, and then took me directly to surgery, where another team was waiting to receive me. The surgical team prepped me on the table

The heart attack started at 11:30. By 3:00 pm, I was in the cardiac ICU. Not only did I get the care I needed, there was no line, no waiting, and no difference in my treatment from when I had a Cadillac supplemental policy to now, except I had no semi-private room coverage.

I will never get a bill for any of this. The EMT's took my OHIP card, and gave the information to the hospital so I was already registered for admittance when I arrived, and the hospital had access to my medical records and information. There is no further paperwork required on my part. I just have to worry about getting better.

It's great, isn't it? I have no problem at all waiting for non essential treatment, knowing that essential treatment will always be there with just a name and a birthdate the only administrative input needed.

edit...Oh, congratulations on your continued existence.

 

[cnm]

Tell me, where in the past few decades has the US been asked to help?

Lol, Israel isn't shy...

 

[Dragonlady]

It's great, isn't it? I have no problem at all waiting for non essential treatment, knowing that essential treatment will always be there with just a name and a birthdate the only administrative input needed.

My friend and I both went to the same doctor at the same time for a knee replacement. My friend could barely walk, and was on opioids for the pain. She is bi-polar and had feared that the anesthetic would trigger an episode so had been putting it off for years. I was just getting into line.

We both had the surgery. I was told to wait for 2 years, my friend went into hospital 3 weeks after she saw the surgeon. I didn't begrudge her. I wasn't in any real pain, I just couldn't walk long distances any more.

 

[Stryder50]

In the Clean Debate Zone because I don't want a flame fest. Genuinely interested in why Americans constantly feel the need to tell the rest of the world how much better it is than the rest of the world. In case you haven't guessed, I don't think it is. Biggest military, sure? Richest (well debatable - have you seen your debt recently?). Being best has doesn't mean you have the biggest military. Who cares? Same with wealth. If 1 per cent have 80 per cent of it, it means nothing.

Floods of illegal immigrants, when allowed in, would suggest such since USA seems to be prime choice if possible.

If you know of another nation that has proportionally more, please share.

 

[Southern Dad]

European, Asian. They'd be less likely to weaponise supply and support than the US.

The problem with broad answers like that, is that they are easy but really do not answer the question. The particular aircraft used by militaries around the world are very expensive, very technical, and require a lot of training, maintenance, and upgrades. For example the F-35A is a 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft. Other aircraft in that class would be China’s J-20, China’s J-35A, and Russia’s Su-57. That really limits the alternatives.

 

[Southern Dad]

Hilarious. The American immigrants love this inclusive health system, especially the employment independence it offers and the absence of medical bankruptcy. It's one of their recurring comments.

They acknowledge this system isn't perfect, they much prefer it to the one they came from.

Great post, except that you completely skipped over the point to which I made that it creates a two tiered system. Those who can afford it, use PMI and those that can’t use the national healthcare system. Many people do see healthcare being included in their taxes as a great thing, but those are people who pay taxes.

Nearly half the wage earners in the United States pay zero percent or less in federal income tax. Our sales tax (think VAT) is state by state, ranges from 0% to 10% with most hovering around 7%.

 

[Southern Dad]

What world do you live in? The Alternate Reality world?
Denmark certainly looked to Germany and the other European nations when they were worried the USA would attack them.
Stop slurping the propaganda.

While Denmark may look to Germany, let’s think about something in reality, the United States maintains military bases in Germany and has over 50,000 service members based there. Germany and the other European nations belong to NATO. What is NATO? It’s a group of nations that count on the United States to defend them in the time of an attack. Two nations in NATO make up the bulk of it’s military strength, the United States and Turkey.

 

[Southern Dad]

Well tell me then. Are there waiting lists for Americans with no health care because they cannot afford it? You do realise that in Australia it is a similar situation to the UK. My ex-wife had to have an operation on her ankle. She had a choice of paying for it and getting it done straight away, or going on a waiting list (she didn't have health insurance at the time). She decided to go on a waiting list because it was non urgent. She waited six months. You do realise that in Australia and the UK, if it is an emergency - ie a heart attack - they treat you immediately and it costs you nothing. You do know that?

I can tell you love your healthcare system. It works for you. The example you use is of someone that can’t afford the treatment. Well, here in the USA if you can’t afford treatment, you are probably going to be one of those wage earners that is paying zero percent or less in federal income tax. Your healthcare insurance is going to be subsidized by the PPACA. What that person would have to pay is the deductible.

If you do not have healthcare insurance in the United States, it isn’t because you can’t afford it, it is because you choose not to have it. It is actually the law (although there is no penalty for not complying) that every adult has to have healthcare insurance.

In the United States if you have an emergency, like the heart attack that you mention, you are treated immediately, as well.

 

[Southern Dad]

Meh, we listen and laugh. The US has very little effect on us. We hardly felt the GFC due to the minerals in our ground. Albanese is our PM. You're right, he doesn't do much. Neither does Trump. We know who he is because he has a big mouth and the US is a big country. What made your country great had nothing to do with you. The last great generation of Americans fought in WWII. Those that came after aren't much to rave about, they just live on the shoulders of giants. "We saved your ass in WWII," they say. No you didn't. Your ancestors did. You had nothing to do with it. I'll also add the Battle of Britain was over by the time the US decided to join the war. The RAF ruled the skies, and then Hitler made the huge mistake of invading the USSR. Of course the US helped - but they didn't do it alone.

The greatness of the United States goes beyond just its military. Are you enjoying using the internet today? Where did that originate?

 

[Southern Dad]

Again, are you telling me there are no waiting lists for the 27 million-plus Americans that have no health insurance? So there is no 'two-tier' system in the US?

That 27 million represents less than 8% of the population and is a record low for people being uninsured in this United States. It is not the poor that do not have medical insurance in this country. The poor qualify for Medicaid or subsidized PPACA plans. As for the two-tier system, I was referring to what happens in countries with single payer. The rich don’t wait on that care, they just pay for it.

 

[toobfreak]

In the Clean Debate Zone because I don't want a flame fest. Genuinely interested in why Americans constantly feel the need to tell the rest of the world how much better it is than the rest of the world. In case you haven't guessed, I don't think it is. Biggest military, sure? Richest (well debatable - have you seen your debt recently?). Being best has doesn't mean you have the biggest military. Who cares? Same with wealth. If 1 per cent have 80 per cent of it, it means nothing.

We definitely have the best military by a long stretch with something like double the spending of China which is next largest. And yes, more capital even if not the highest standard of living, but actually, I kind of agree: I cringe a little bit when I see Trump bragging about the USA calling us the best and how great we are in front of other country's leaders, I find that a little insulting to them.

While I agree and wouldn't want to live there or be them, viva la difference! To each their own. I'm sure people in many other countries feel the same way about their countries and wouldn't trade anything to live here.

For one thing, Europeans seem more peaceful, happy and laid back, they take life slower, enjoy it more, and have more history and old country, and don't have many of the social problems we have with sociopathic disorders and violence, etc.