CDZ Why is prostitution illegal?

[JoeMoma]

If the potential for harming one's self is the basis for making things illegal, then there is a lot of legal things that need to be made illegal. The all you can eat buffet is just one example.

If you can establish using over eating at a buffet is as deadly as heroin, by all means, provide the evidence.

Has that somehow become the standard of how dangerous an action must be to make it legal? So if prostitution is safer than heroin it should be made legal?

Yes, the danger of a substance should be taken into consideration when it should be made legal or not. So yes, alcohol should be legal but heroin shouldn't. To anyone with common sense, they can understand heroin is much worse in every sense than alcohol.

Prostitution should be illegal. Not only because purely transaction and promiscuous sexual relations should be discouraged, and that such relations they are harmful to both parties in the long run(as far as mental health and being able to have functioning relationships with those of the opposite sex goes). But also because it is a profession where emotionally damaged and drug addicted women, in many cases against their will, are forced into a personally destructive line of work that often leaven them mentally/emotionally scarred, left traumatized, drug addicted, in debt and at the mercy of pimps and their clients who abuse them and don't care for them.

I agree, women shouldn't receive harsh criminal punishment, but help and an escape from this harmful and destructive profession, and pimps and men who solicit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

If the potential for harming one's self is the basis for making things illegal, then there is a lot of legal things that need to be made illegal. The all you can eat buffet is just one example.

If you can establish using over eating at a buffet is as deadly as heroin, by all means, provide the evidence.

Has that somehow become the standard of how dangerous an action must be to make it legal? So if prostitution is safer than heroin it should be made legal?

Yes, the danger of a substance should be taken into consideration when it should be made legal or not. So yes, alcohol should be legal but heroin shouldn't. To anyone with common sense, they can understand heroin is much worse in every sense than alcohol.

Prostitution should be illegal. Not only because purely transaction and promiscuous sexual relations should be discouraged, and that such relations they are harmful to both parties in the long run(as far as mental health and being able to have functioning relationships with those of the opposite sex goes). But also because it is a profession where emotionally damaged and drug addicted women, in many cases against their will, are forced into a personally destructive line of work that often leaven them mentally/emotionally scarred, left traumatized, drug addicted, in debt and at the mercy of pimps and their clients who abuse them and don't care for them.

I agree, women shouldn't receive harsh criminal punishment, but help and an escape from this harmful and destructive profession, and pimps and men who solicit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Obesity poses many health risks.

What Are the Health Risks of Overweight and Obesity - NHLBI NIH

Also, please don't waste your time trying to argue that over eating (a major cause of obesity) isn't as dangerous as using herion since that has not been established as the standard of danger by which legality or illegality of other things are to be judged.

Obesity poses health risks. No one doubts this. You were comparing overeating at a buffet to using heroin. So please, how many people die from overeating in a sitting vs an episode of heroin use. Show us the evidence

Comparing the potential health risks from overeating over a life time versus the danger of one episode of heroin use is like comparing apples and oranges.

No, you compared the danger of over eating to herion use. I did not. You are the one that keeps bringing up herion use.

Edit: Actually, you keep bringing up the challenge of comparing the dangers of overeating to that of the danger of herion. Is the danger of herion the legal standard by which all things should be legal or not?

 

[MikeK]

LOL at the idea of a heroin addict being able to "safely" self medicate a lethal and highly addictive substance only if it was legal.

Whether to believe it or to remain ignorant and brainwashed by drug-warrior propaganda is your choice.

You are getting your wish at the moment, heroin coming across the border these days is purer than ever before more potent and requires lower doses to sustain the high, but it is more deadly and addictive than ever.
Deadly Ultra-Pure Heroin Arrives In US

It is not unusual for 100% pure heroin to be smuggled into the U.S. But what happens to it after it arrives and passes through a progression of distributors, each of whom dilutes it to increase individual profit margins. What starts out as 100% pure often ends up on the street as 20% heroin with an 80% variety of "cutting" substances, which can be deadly. Also, 100% pure heroin can be just as deadly to a novice user whose biology has not adapted to the effect of the drug.

Sometimes the mixture of "cut" is so varied it combines to emulate a toxin resulting in deadly "hot shots" at the street level. The 1970s movie, Panic In Needle Park, was based on one such situation in which dozens of junkies were dropping all over lower Broadway, many of whom died.

Get your pseudoscientific libertarian garbage out of here. There wasn't a single intelligent or sensible thing about your rant.

Again, ignorance is excusable and may be corrected. Stupidity is quite another thing.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Still waiting for you to answer the question:
If you told that someone you'd not take the money but have sex for free, would that remove your argument for "harm"?

There is no comparison between a one night stand and selling your body for a living.

The difference, in your case, is that you took $10 for that one night stand. How is that different than a couple drinks, or dinner?
Please explain how one creates psychological trauma while the other does not, when in both cases you decided to have meaningless sex.

 

[MikeK]

Obesity poses health risks. No one doubts this. You were comparing overeating at a buffet to using heroin. So please, how many people die from overeating in a sitting vs an episode of heroin use. Show us the evidence

Comparing the potential health risks from overeating over a life time versus the danger of one episode of heroin use is like comparing apples and oranges.

The bottom line response to your question is the number of per annum deaths attributable to obesity vs the number of deaths caused by heroin o/d. The answer is approx. 300,000 deaths from obesity vs approx. 6,500 deaths from heroin o/d.

The duration of respective abuse is not relevant. The cause of death is. The simple fact is calories kill more Americans per annum than heroin.


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According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic (57).

The results of two extensive studies examining obesity-attributable deaths in the United States were published in 1999. Allison, Fontaine, and Manson et al., reporting in the Journal of the American Medical Society, used data from a number of prospective cohort studies, including the Alameda Community Health Study, the Framingham Heart Study, the Tecumseh Community Health Study, the American Cancer Society’s Cancer Prevention Study I, the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey I Epidemiologic Follow-up Study, and the Nurses’ Health Study, to estimate the number of deaths attributable to obesity in the United States on an annual basis (66). Their initial analyses, which examined deaths occurring among persons aged 18 and older in 1991, were adjusted only for age, sex, and smoking status. The weight categories used were overweight (BMI of 25-29.9), obese (BMI of 30-35), and severely obese (BMI >35
According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic (57).

The results of two extensive studies examining obesity-attributable deaths in the United States were published in 1999. Allison, Fontaine, and Manson et al., reporting in the Journal of the American Medical Society, used data from a number of prospective cohort studies, including the Alameda Community Health Study, the Framingham Heart Study, the Tecumseh Community Health Study, the American Cancer Society’s Cancer Prevention Study I, the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey I Epidemiologic Follow-up Study, and the Nurses’ Health Study, to estimate the number of deaths attributable to obesity in the United States on an annual basis (66). Their initial analyses, which examined deaths occurring among persons aged 18 and older in 1991, were adjusted only for age, sex, and smoking status. The weight categories used were overweight (BMI of 25-29.9), obese (BMI of 30-35), and severely obese (BMI >35).

Obesity Facts Figures Guidelines

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Cause of death (Data from 2013 unless otherwise noted) Number
All Causes 2,596,993
Major Cardiovascular Diseases [MCD] 796,494
Cerebrovascular Diseases [subset of MCD] 128,978
Essential Hypertension and Hypertensive Renal Disease [subset of MCD] 30,770
Malignant Neoplasms [Cancer] 584,881
Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 149,205
Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) [Total] 130,557
Motor Vehicle Accidents [subset of Total Accidents] 35,369
Alzheimer's Disease 84,767
Diabetes Mellitus 75,578
Influenza and Pneumonia 56,979
Nephritis, Nephrotic Syndrome and Nephrosis 47,112
Drug-Induced Deaths1 46,471
Intentional Self-Harm (Suicide) 41,149
Septicemia 38,156
Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis 36,427
Alcoholic Liver Disease [subset of Chronic Liver Disease] 18,146
Injury by Firearms 33,636
Alcohol-Induced Deaths 29,001
Parkinson's Disease 25,196
Pneumonitis Due to Solids and Liquids 18,579
Homicide 16,121
Viral Hepatitis 8,157
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Disease 6,955
All Illicit Drugs Combined (2000)2 17,0002
Cannabis (Marijuana)3 0

2013 Data Detailing Drug-Induced Deaths,
Breaking Out Specific Data for Prescription Analgesics and Heroin,
as Reported by the CDC4
Drug Overdose Total 43,982
Prescription Analgesics Total 16,235
Heroin Overdose Total 6,235 <-------------------------

2010 Drug Overdose Mortality Data In Detail,
Reported By Paulozzi et al.5
Drug Overdose Total 38,329
Pharmaceutical Drugs 22,134
Pharmaceutical Opioid Analgesics 16,651
- See more at: Annual Causes of Death in the United States Drug War Facts

Annual Causes of Death in the United States Drug War Facts

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[Steinlight]

If you can establish using over eating at a buffet is as deadly as heroin, by all means, provide the evidence.

Has that somehow become the standard of how dangerous an action must be to make it legal? So if prostitution is safer than heroin it should be made legal?

Yes, the danger of a substance should be taken into consideration when it should be made legal or not. So yes, alcohol should be legal but heroin shouldn't. To anyone with common sense, they can understand heroin is much worse in every sense than alcohol.

Prostitution should be illegal. Not only because purely transaction and promiscuous sexual relations should be discouraged, and that such relations they are harmful to both parties in the long run(as far as mental health and being able to have functioning relationships with those of the opposite sex goes). But also because it is a profession where emotionally damaged and drug addicted women, in many cases against their will, are forced into a personally destructive line of work that often leaven them mentally/emotionally scarred, left traumatized, drug addicted, in debt and at the mercy of pimps and their clients who abuse them and don't care for them.

I agree, women shouldn't receive harsh criminal punishment, but help and an escape from this harmful and destructive profession, and pimps and men who solicit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

If you can establish using over eating at a buffet is as deadly as heroin, by all means, provide the evidence.

Has that somehow become the standard of how dangerous an action must be to make it legal? So if prostitution is safer than heroin it should be made legal?

Yes, the danger of a substance should be taken into consideration when it should be made legal or not. So yes, alcohol should be legal but heroin shouldn't. To anyone with common sense, they can understand heroin is much worse in every sense than alcohol.

Prostitution should be illegal. Not only because purely transaction and promiscuous sexual relations should be discouraged, and that such relations they are harmful to both parties in the long run(as far as mental health and being able to have functioning relationships with those of the opposite sex goes). But also because it is a profession where emotionally damaged and drug addicted women, in many cases against their will, are forced into a personally destructive line of work that often leaven them mentally/emotionally scarred, left traumatized, drug addicted, in debt and at the mercy of pimps and their clients who abuse them and don't care for them.

I agree, women shouldn't receive harsh criminal punishment, but help and an escape from this harmful and destructive profession, and pimps and men who solicit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Obesity poses many health risks.

What Are the Health Risks of Overweight and Obesity - NHLBI NIH

Also, please don't waste your time trying to argue that over eating (a major cause of obesity) isn't as dangerous as using herion since that has not been established as the standard of danger by which legality or illegality of other things are to be judged.

Obesity poses health risks. No one doubts this. You were comparing overeating at a buffet to using heroin. So please, how many people die from overeating in a sitting vs an episode of heroin use. Show us the evidence

Comparing the potential health risks from overeating over a life time versus the danger of one episode of heroin use is like comparing apples and oranges.

No, you compared the danger of over eating to herion use. I did not. You are the one that keeps bringing up herion use.

Edit: Actually, you keep bringing up the challenge of comparing the dangers of overeating to that of the danger of herion. Is the danger of herion the legal standard by which all things should be legal or not?

No I didn't, you brought up overeating and compared it to heroin use, anyone can see it in this comment thread. You can't walk back this stupid comparison and you know it. Just admit it was ridiculous and move on.

 

[MikeK]

So? So does the alcoholic. Point being?

If you can establish that alcohol has the same addiction and death rates as heroin, than by all means, show the evidence.

Far more Americans are harmed by beverage alcohol (and tobacco) than by any other recreational drug. The statistics are easy enough to access via Google, so why not educate yourself.

 

[JoeMoma]

Has that somehow become the standard of how dangerous an action must be to make it legal? So if prostitution is safer than heroin it should be made legal?

Yes, the danger of a substance should be taken into consideration when it should be made legal or not. So yes, alcohol should be legal but heroin shouldn't. To anyone with common sense, they can understand heroin is much worse in every sense than alcohol.

Prostitution should be illegal. Not only because purely transaction and promiscuous sexual relations should be discouraged, and that such relations they are harmful to both parties in the long run(as far as mental health and being able to have functioning relationships with those of the opposite sex goes). But also because it is a profession where emotionally damaged and drug addicted women, in many cases against their will, are forced into a personally destructive line of work that often leaven them mentally/emotionally scarred, left traumatized, drug addicted, in debt and at the mercy of pimps and their clients who abuse them and don't care for them.

I agree, women shouldn't receive harsh criminal punishment, but help and an escape from this harmful and destructive profession, and pimps and men who solicit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Has that somehow become the standard of how dangerous an action must be to make it legal? So if prostitution is safer than heroin it should be made legal?

Yes, the danger of a substance should be taken into consideration when it should be made legal or not. So yes, alcohol should be legal but heroin shouldn't. To anyone with common sense, they can understand heroin is much worse in every sense than alcohol.

Prostitution should be illegal. Not only because purely transaction and promiscuous sexual relations should be discouraged, and that such relations they are harmful to both parties in the long run(as far as mental health and being able to have functioning relationships with those of the opposite sex goes). But also because it is a profession where emotionally damaged and drug addicted women, in many cases against their will, are forced into a personally destructive line of work that often leaven them mentally/emotionally scarred, left traumatized, drug addicted, in debt and at the mercy of pimps and their clients who abuse them and don't care for them.

I agree, women shouldn't receive harsh criminal punishment, but help and an escape from this harmful and destructive profession, and pimps and men who solicit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Obesity poses many health risks.

What Are the Health Risks of Overweight and Obesity - NHLBI NIH

Also, please don't waste your time trying to argue that over eating (a major cause of obesity) isn't as dangerous as using herion since that has not been established as the standard of danger by which legality or illegality of other things are to be judged.

Obesity poses health risks. No one doubts this. You were comparing overeating at a buffet to using heroin. So please, how many people die from overeating in a sitting vs an episode of heroin use. Show us the evidence

Comparing the potential health risks from overeating over a life time versus the danger of one episode of heroin use is like comparing apples and oranges.

No, you compared the danger of over eating to herion use. I did not. You are the one that keeps bringing up herion use.

Edit: Actually, you keep bringing up the challenge of comparing the dangers of overeating to that of the danger of herion. Is the danger of herion the legal standard by which all things should be legal or not?

No I didn't, you brought up overeating and compared it to heroin use, anyone can see it in this comment thread. You can't walk back this stupid comparison and you know it. Just admit it was ridiculous and move on.

I did reply to a your post in which you were writing about heroin. However, I did not compare overeating to heroin use. I simply stated that the all you can eat buffet should be outlawed if being harmful is the standard. You are inferring a comparison that I never made.

 

[Steinlight]

Obesity poses health risks. No one doubts this. You were comparing overeating at a buffet to using heroin. So please, how many people die from overeating in a sitting vs an episode of heroin use. Show us the evidence

Comparing the potential health risks from overeating over a life time versus the danger of one episode of heroin use is like comparing apples and oranges.

The bottom line response to your question is the number of per annum deaths attributable to obesity vs the number of deaths caused by heroin o/d. The answer is approx. 300,000 deaths from obesity vs approx. 6,500 deaths from heroin o/d.

The duration of respective abuse is not relevant. The cause of death is. The simple fact is calories kill more Americans per annum than heroin.


(Excerpts)


According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic (57).

The results of two extensive studies examining obesity-attributable deaths in the United States were published in 1999. Allison, Fontaine, and Manson et al., reporting in the Journal of the American Medical Society, used data from a number of prospective cohort studies, including the Alameda Community Health Study, the Framingham Heart Study, the Tecumseh Community Health Study, the American Cancer Society’s Cancer Prevention Study I, the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey I Epidemiologic Follow-up Study, and the Nurses’ Health Study, to estimate the number of deaths attributable to obesity in the United States on an annual basis (66). Their initial analyses, which examined deaths occurring among persons aged 18 and older in 1991, were adjusted only for age, sex, and smoking status. The weight categories used were overweight (BMI of 25-29.9), obese (BMI of 30-35), and severely obese (BMI >35
According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic (57).

The results of two extensive studies examining obesity-attributable deaths in the United States were published in 1999. Allison, Fontaine, and Manson et al., reporting in the Journal of the American Medical Society, used data from a number of prospective cohort studies, including the Alameda Community Health Study, the Framingham Heart Study, the Tecumseh Community Health Study, the American Cancer Society’s Cancer Prevention Study I, the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey I Epidemiologic Follow-up Study, and the Nurses’ Health Study, to estimate the number of deaths attributable to obesity in the United States on an annual basis (66). Their initial analyses, which examined deaths occurring among persons aged 18 and older in 1991, were adjusted only for age, sex, and smoking status. The weight categories used were overweight (BMI of 25-29.9), obese (BMI of 30-35), and severely obese (BMI >35).

Obesity Facts Figures Guidelines

----------------


Cause of death (Data from 2013 unless otherwise noted) Number
All Causes 2,596,993
Major Cardiovascular Diseases [MCD] 796,494
Cerebrovascular Diseases [subset of MCD] 128,978
Essential Hypertension and Hypertensive Renal Disease [subset of MCD] 30,770
Malignant Neoplasms [Cancer] 584,881
Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 149,205
Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) [Total] 130,557
Motor Vehicle Accidents [subset of Total Accidents] 35,369
Alzheimer's Disease 84,767
Diabetes Mellitus 75,578
Influenza and Pneumonia 56,979
Nephritis, Nephrotic Syndrome and Nephrosis 47,112
Drug-Induced Deaths1 46,471
Intentional Self-Harm (Suicide) 41,149
Septicemia 38,156
Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis 36,427
Alcoholic Liver Disease [subset of Chronic Liver Disease] 18,146
Injury by Firearms 33,636
Alcohol-Induced Deaths 29,001
Parkinson's Disease 25,196
Pneumonitis Due to Solids and Liquids 18,579
Homicide 16,121
Viral Hepatitis 8,157
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Disease 6,955
All Illicit Drugs Combined (2000)2 17,0002
Cannabis (Marijuana)3 0

2013 Data Detailing Drug-Induced Deaths,
Breaking Out Specific Data for Prescription Analgesics and Heroin,
as Reported by the CDC4
Drug Overdose Total 43,982
Prescription Analgesics Total 16,235
Heroin Overdose Total 6,235 <-------------------------

2010 Drug Overdose Mortality Data In Detail,
Reported By Paulozzi et al.5
Drug Overdose Total 38,329
Pharmaceutical Drugs 22,134
Pharmaceutical Opioid Analgesics 16,651
- See more at: Annual Causes of Death in the United States Drug War Facts

Annual Causes of Death in the United States Drug War Facts

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The duration is absolutely relevant. Comparing death from a lifetime over eating to one episode of heroin use is is not valid. One episode of overeating is no where near as deadly as one episode of heroin use. Also, one can stop overeating much more easily than they can overcome a heroin addiction.

I am glad you brought out the numbers though, because they prove my point very thoroughly. So thank you for this.

I will cite more updated stats for the sake of clarity.

There was about 8,000 deaths from Heroin overdose in 2013. About 669,000 used heroin in the US in 2012. About 300,000 individuals died from obesity in your stats, about 78 million Americans are obese. So clearly by a significant factor, even a life of overeating is far less deadly than using heroin once.

 

[gtopa1]

If the potential for harming one's self is the basis for making things illegal, then there is a lot of legal things that need to be made illegal. The all you can eat buffet is just one example.

If you can establish using over eating at a buffet is as deadly as heroin, by all means, provide the evidence.

Has that somehow become the standard of how dangerous an action must be to make it legal? So if prostitution is safer than heroin it should be made legal?

Yes, the danger of a substance should be taken into consideration when it should be made legal or not. So yes, alcohol should be legal but heroin shouldn't. To anyone with common sense, they can understand heroin is much worse in every sense than alcohol.

Prostitution should be illegal. Not only because purely transaction and promiscuous sexual relations should be discouraged, and that such relations they are harmful to both parties in the long run(as far as mental health and being able to have functioning relationships with those of the opposite sex goes). But also because it is a profession where emotionally damaged and drug addicted women, in many cases against their will, are forced into a personally destructive line of work that often leaven them mentally/emotionally scarred, left traumatized, drug addicted, in debt and at the mercy of pimps and their clients who abuse them and don't care for them.

I agree, women shouldn't receive harsh criminal punishment, but help and an escape from this harmful and destructive profession, and pimps and men who solicit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

If the potential for harming one's self is the basis for making things illegal, then there is a lot of legal things that need to be made illegal. The all you can eat buffet is just one example.

If you can establish using over eating at a buffet is as deadly as heroin, by all means, provide the evidence.

Has that somehow become the standard of how dangerous an action must be to make it legal? So if prostitution is safer than heroin it should be made legal?

Yes, the danger of a substance should be taken into consideration when it should be made legal or not. So yes, alcohol should be legal but heroin shouldn't. To anyone with common sense, they can understand heroin is much worse in every sense than alcohol.

Prostitution should be illegal. Not only because purely transaction and promiscuous sexual relations should be discouraged, and that such relations they are harmful to both parties in the long run(as far as mental health and being able to have functioning relationships with those of the opposite sex goes). But also because it is a profession where emotionally damaged and drug addicted women, in many cases against their will, are forced into a personally destructive line of work that often leaven them mentally/emotionally scarred, left traumatized, drug addicted, in debt and at the mercy of pimps and their clients who abuse them and don't care for them.

I agree, women shouldn't receive harsh criminal punishment, but help and an escape from this harmful and destructive profession, and pimps and men who solicit should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Obesity poses many health risks.

What Are the Health Risks of Overweight and Obesity - NHLBI NIH

Also, please don't waste your time trying to argue that over eating (a major cause of obesity) isn't as dangerous as using herion since that has not been established as the standard of danger by which legality or illegality of other things are to be judged.

Obesity poses health risks. No one doubts this. You were comparing overeating at a buffet to using heroin. So please, how many people die from overeating in a sitting vs an episode of heroin use. Show us the evidence

Comparing the potential health risks from overeating over a life time versus the danger of one episode of heroin use is like comparing apples and oranges.

Momma Cass died from an overdose of small goods.

Greg

 

[Steinlight]

So? So does the alcoholic. Point being?

If you can establish that alcohol has the same addiction and death rates as heroin, than by all means, show the evidence.

Far more Americans are harmed by beverage alcohol (and tobacco) than by any other recreational drug. The statistics are easy enough to access via Google, so why not educate yourself.

Far more Americans use alcohol than heroin, so that is a non-point. Why don't you use some common sense?

 

[JoeMoma]

So? So does the alcoholic. Point being?

If you can establish that alcohol has the same addiction and death rates as heroin, than by all means, show the evidence.

Far more Americans are harmed by beverage alcohol (and tobacco) than by any other recreational drug. The statistics are easy enough to access via Google, so why not educate yourself.

Far more Americans use alcohol than heroin, so that is a non-point. Why don't you use some common sense?

If something is less harmful that heroin use, should it be legal. Why is it you want everything compared to heroin use when the legality of prostution is the topic, not heroin use?

 

[Steinlight]

LOL at the idea of a heroin addict being able to "safely" self medicate a lethal and highly addictive substance only if it was legal.

Whether to believe it or to remain ignorant and brainwashed by drug-warrior propaganda is your choice.

You are getting your wish at the moment, heroin coming across the border these days is purer than ever before more potent and requires lower doses to sustain the high, but it is more deadly and addictive than ever.
Deadly Ultra-Pure Heroin Arrives In US

It is not unusual for 100% pure heroin to be smuggled into the U.S. But what happens to it after it arrives and passes through a progression of distributors, each of whom dilutes it to increase individual profit margins. What starts out as 100% pure often ends up on the street as 20% heroin with an 80% variety of "cutting" substances, which can be deadly. Also, 100% pure heroin can be just as deadly to a novice user whose biology has not adapted to the effect of the drug.

Sometimes the mixture of "cut" is so varied it combines to emulate a toxin resulting in deadly "hot shots" at the street level. The 1970s movie, Panic In Needle Park, was based on one such situation in which dozens of junkies were dropping all over lower Broadway, many of whom died.

Get your pseudoscientific libertarian garbage out of here. There wasn't a single intelligent or sensible thing about your rant.

Again, ignorance is excusable and may be corrected. Stupidity is quite another thing.

You are the ignorant one if you think an addict can self medicate a lethal substance.

You didn't even read the article. The whole point is that the street product is around 50% pure, far higher than anything that has been on the street before, and it is far more addictive and deadly. The idea that pure heroin is less lethal or addictive flies in the face of the statistics which show addictions and ODs are on the rise over the last many years with purer heroin hitting the street.

 

[JoeMoma]

So prostitution should remain illegal because alcohol use and obeasity are not as harmful as heroin use? Am I getting this right?

 

[gtopa1]

So? So does the alcoholic. Point being?

If you can establish that alcohol has the same addiction and death rates as heroin, than by all means, show the evidence.

Far more Americans are harmed by beverage alcohol (and tobacco) than by any other recreational drug. The statistics are easy enough to access via Google, so why not educate yourself.

Mike: morph is used in medicines; addicts to heroin are the group in question. If one is comparing alcoholics then don't use the numbers for all drinkers..I am one of the latter and I drink rarely...but crikey I drink the good stuff.

But back on topic. I respect ChrisL as a poster and she makes some good points. All are agreed that prostitution leaves a woman degraded and vulnerable. In most cases, and I would say all, they are victims and as such all should be done to stop them from being so. The discussion is mostly about the best ways of doing that. ChrisL is taking a practical stance and I respect that. I would also go a step further and see that as a transition away from any prostitution at all. Most seem to have the same aim but the process is different.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

So prostitution should remain illegal because alcohol use and obeasity are not as harmful as heroin use? Am I getting this right?

There is a conflation issue. I see them as different issues.

Greg

 

[Steinlight]

So? So does the alcoholic. Point being?

If you can establish that alcohol has the same addiction and death rates as heroin, than by all means, show the evidence.

Far more Americans are harmed by beverage alcohol (and tobacco) than by any other recreational drug. The statistics are easy enough to access via Google, so why not educate yourself.

Far more Americans use alcohol than heroin, so that is a non-point. Why don't you use some common sense?

If something is less harmful that heroin use, should it be legal. Why is it you want everything compared to heroin use when the legality of prostution is the topic, not heroin use?

I discussed prostitution pretty thoroughly. The transactional and thus emotionally destructive nature of prostitution on individuals and the ability to function in future relationships is one reason, and i think these social costs should be mitigated through state intervention. So from the perspective of mental health and human relations I oppose the dysfunctional nature of this anti-social act. But I also oppose prostitution because I oppose the sexual abuse and exploitation of mentally damaged and drug addicted women. I support using the state to intervene and prevent these women experiencing even more trauma. Many of these women either come from broken homes or are forced into the arrangement to begin with by abusive men; as a conservative I believe in preserving a baseline of social decency and believe we have obligation to help the weak and vulnerable and prosecute those who harm them.

 

[Steinlight]

So prostitution should remain illegal because alcohol use and obeasity are not as harmful as heroin use? Am I getting this right?

Why are you being dishonest like this?

What I clearly said in comparing heroin addicts and prostitutes was the notion that there is "no victim" in prostitution. A poster claimed that since a prostitute might not be cognizant of the harm they are inflicting on themselves, they aren't harming themselves. I contended that this is false, and cited the heroin addict. Saying that even if they aren't cognizant of the fact they are harming themselves, they are still harming themselves and victims of their own actions.

 

[gtopa1]

So prostitution should remain illegal because alcohol use and obeasity are not as harmful as heroin use? Am I getting this right?

Why are you being dishonest like this?

What I clearly said in comparing heroin addicts and prostitutes was the notion that there is "no victim" in prostitution. A poster claimed that since a prostitute might not be cognizant of the harm they are inflicting on themselves, they aren't harm themselves. I contended that this is false, and cited the heroin addict. Saying that even if they aren't cognizant of the fact they are harming themselves, they are still harming themselves and victims of their own actions.

The data is out there.

The Prostitution Statistics You Have to Know Sex Crimes

Greg

 

[JoeMoma]

So prostitution should remain illegal because alcohol use and obeasity are not as harmful as heroin use? Am I getting this right?

Why are you being dishonest like this?

What I clearly said in comparing heroin addicts and prostitutes was the notion that there is "no victim" in prostitution. A poster claimed that since a prostitute might not be cognizant of the harm they are inflicting on themselves, they aren't harm themselves. I contended that this is false, and cited the heroin addict. Saying that even if they aren't cognizant of the fact they are harming themselves, they are still harming themselves and victims of their own actions.

It's difficult to be dishonest when asking yes or no questions.

 

[JoeMoma]