Why is CA broke? Anchor Babies?

[Ravi]

Drop in the bucket Ravi.

If they paid state income tax they also paid federal income tax. And...they paid state sales tax. IMO, they are more than likely paying in more than is paid out.

I also don't think punishing American children is the way to go as you and so many others seem to support.

you cant pay taxes if you dont have a SS no.....a legal one anyway....the state taxes he is talking about are sales taxes.....i know enough of these guys to know that the reason they are here is like one told me...."would you want to be down there with all drug violence and corruption?....try seeing 6-7 heads a week sitting on fence posts....i am divided on these people,the ones i know are good people,but they also tell me that there are many pendejo's among them....these are the ones that need to go....NOW....

If they meant they paid that in state sales tax they wouldn't have stated they paid it in state income tax.

 

[chanel]

How could they possibly be paying more in than out? No one knows the exact figures of an underground economy, but common sense would tell you that the "working poor" and the unemployed use more services than they pay for. Puhleez. Imagine if 20 million illegals were contributing to Social Security and Medicare and not collecting...

Birthright citizenship must end. While many people cross the border to work; just as many cross the border to breed. Just look at the birth stats.

 

[Ravi]

It kills you to see brown Americans, doesn't it?

 

[Neser Boha]

Too many liberals with dumb ass ideas.

That's my take on it, too. People seem to scream for more and more services and are unwilling to give up any of the frivolous governmental perks they've become so used to. And the illegal alien support is a great contributor to the financial losses.

USA could not go a day without all its illegal workers. Believe you me when I say they give you more than they could ever possibly take.

 

[Neser Boha]

Immigrants in the USA have a much higher rate of employment than American citizens themselves ... USA is the only such country in the whole wide world - in other countries it's the other way around.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Don't you think though that california's economy would be HALF of what it is IF it were not for their illegals....the migrants are california's backbone to their agriculture business, the largest in the nation.

the gvt may not be getting rich off of them, but someone is.....and that someone is getting the State to pay for their productive worker's benefits....

Care...migrant workers have always been here.....they have a different status...a late friend of mine had family who did this....they were like a "band"....traveled from Central Mexico up to Central California picking whatever there was to pick,they followed the crops and what was ready to be harvested.....he said they had special workers permits,and stayed until the crop was in and then went to the next place...and mind you i am not saying they did not hire some of their ILLEGAL fellows to help,they did probably all the time.....

would you guess that MOST ALL of the illegals in cali are working?

well my niece is having a relationship with one,this guy is trying to be a citizen,but he said it is going to be awhile....but he says the great majority around were we are.....are working....some 2-3 jobs....the so-called menial jobs....he is one who told me you dont want to live in Mexico,to him the "better life" stuff is getting away from the violence.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

If they paid state income tax they also paid federal income tax. And...they paid state sales tax. IMO, they are more than likely paying in more than is paid out.

I also don't think punishing American children is the way to go as you and so many others seem to support.

you cant pay taxes if you dont have a SS no.....a legal one anyway....the state taxes he is talking about are sales taxes.....i know enough of these guys to know that the reason they are here is like one told me...."would you want to be down there with all drug violence and corruption?....try seeing 6-7 heads a week sitting on fence posts....i am divided on these people,the ones i know are good people,but they also tell me that there are many pendejo's among them....these are the ones that need to go....NOW....

If they meant they paid that in state sales tax they wouldn't have stated they paid it in state income tax.

to do that you have to have a valid SS no....if your an ILLEGAL?....many pro-immigration articles twist the facts around Ravi....like how they say they dont recieve aid from the state....the Mexicans i work with say....yes they do....one of the problems here....Entitlement programs...

 

[Harry Dresden]

It kills you to see brown Americans, doesn't it?

lots of truth to what Chanel is saying Rav.....about coming here, have kids....and your in....and the thing that pisses me off....there are MANY Mexicans born and raised here,that dont like the attitude of a hell of a lot of the new breed of Immigrants who do come just to bleed the benifits,but can care less about this country,dont want to learn the language Etc,Etc.....but they wont speak up and tell them this....because they are Mexicans....its,i guess not right to them to oppose them....

 

[Ravi]

you cant pay taxes if you dont have a SS no.....a legal one anyway....the state taxes he is talking about are sales taxes.....i know enough of these guys to know that the reason they are here is like one told me...."would you want to be down there with all drug violence and corruption?....try seeing 6-7 heads a week sitting on fence posts....i am divided on these people,the ones i know are good people,but they also tell me that there are many pendejo's among them....these are the ones that need to go....NOW....

If they meant they paid that in state sales tax they wouldn't have stated they paid it in state income tax.

to do that you have to have a valid SS no....if your an ILLEGAL?....many pro-immigration articles twist the facts around Ravi....like how they say they dont recieve aid from the state....the Mexicans i work with say....yes they do....one of the problems here....Entitlement programs...

According to the CBO and the IRS, six million illegal workers pay income tax. I'm sorry, but their word is more valid than the hysterical rantings of xenophobes.

In addition to demographic information, the extent to
which this population pays taxes is also an important
determinant of the fiscal impact of unauthorized immigrants.
Data from the Social Security Administration
(SSA) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) suggest
that some unauthorized immigrants use false or fraudulently
obtained Social Security numbers (SSNs) to satisfy
paperwork requirements during the hiring process and
that employers use those numbers to withhold federal,
state, and local income and payroll taxes for employees.
Workers who do not qualify for SSNs can use Individual
Tax Identification Numbers issued by the IRS to file tax
returns, make payments, and apply for refunds. Although
there are no reliable data on unauthorized immigrants’
rate of compliance with tax laws, the IRS estimates that
about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual
income tax returns each year.23 Other researchers estimate
that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized
immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.
For example:
B The SSA assumes that about half of unauthorized
immigrants pay Social Security taxes.24

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf

 

[JakeStarkey]

All employees who are legally being paid are having taxes withheld from their paychecks. Many immigrants (I suspect the great majority) do not file federal or state taxes, which means the states and the feds keep it. All immigrants pay other taxes in the communities, including property taxes if they have bought their own homes. Immigrants do pay their way, they do work hard on the whole, and their children born here are every much a citizens as the rest of us who were born here.

 

[Angelhair]

It's more PC to blame the public employees than to blame those here illegally. What is wrong with this picture????

 

[Angelhair]

'It kills you to see brown Americans, doesn't it?'

'Brown Americans'??? LOL! FYI - latinos come in ALL colors. It's not the color that is bothersome - but their failure to have countries that are worth a damn.

 

[JakeStarkey]

How could they possibly be paying more in than out? No one knows the exact figures of an underground economy, but common sense would tell you that the "working poor" and the unemployed use more services than they pay for. Puhleez. Imagine if 20 million illegals were contributing to Social Security and Medicare and not collecting...

Birthright citizenship must end. While many people cross the border to work; just as many cross the border to breed. Just look at the birth stats.

There is no "must" to this. It's not going to happen. The Hispanic base keeps growing, its vote keeps growing, and very few politicians successfully can stand up to that group in an election about birthright and survive.

 

[chanel]

I agree jake, but sometimes the simplest solutions are the hardest for politicians to accept. I also know that it is unfeasible to deport 20 million people. I have not looked at the "amnesty" ideas on the table lately, but McCain's ideas a while back just seemed way too complicated. Can we all agree that we start with the criminals? And while I hate the national ID idea, how can any reform be put into action without knowing who the hell they are?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I agree with you whole heartedly, Chanel, that we do what we can. Yes, find and deport criminals if we don't execute or imprison them. I have no problem with "amnesty" programs if they begin with a boarder security, north and south, that slows down illegal immigration to a managable trickle; another upside of that is a secure border protects us even more from terrorism. Far right conservatives are concerned about a national ID. I am not happy with the idea. But I agree with you that issue is going to have to be revisted.

 

[mudwhistle]

Biggest problem in CA is the government.

Liberal policies intended to help but end up perpetuating the problem.
Environmental restrictions that only end up making everything more expensive then it needs to be.
The lack of good jobs due to the taxes and government restrictions.
Businesses leaving the state in droves.
High energy costs.
Seems to be the case in other Lib states like Michigan, Ohio, New York, New Jersey, etc,.

 

[Care4all]

it would take an amendment to the constitution, (2/3s vote in favor) with ratification from 2/3's of the States, to change the born citizen birthright of the children of illegals, imho.

 

[boedicca]

i work for the PO Boe....and i aint going to get no 90%.....if that was so i would already be gone.....

You're not a CA State, County, or Local employee. During the dotcom boom, Gray Davis made horrible deals with state unions, which percolated down to counties and cities as well.

CA would actually have a budget surplus if public sector employee levels and comp had just kept face with per capita inflation growth. Instead the morons in the state legislature assumed that the revenue growth (from dotcom capital gains) would last FOREVER.

Yet another example of the economic illiteracy of politicians.

 

[boedicca]

On illegal immigration:

I'd rather see an illegal immigrant who is working be granted a legal right to work (and to pay the legally required taxes on that work), than to pay welfare to Americans who could work, but are content to live on the dole.

The larger issue is the welfare / entitlement state we have created. There are many illegals here who are productive; let them stay. Boot the ones who are on the dole.

 

[Care4all]

Care...migrant workers have always been here.....they have a different status...a late friend of mine had family who did this....they were like a "band"....traveled from Central Mexico up to Central California picking whatever there was to pick,they followed the crops and what was ready to be harvested.....he said they had special workers permits,and stayed until the crop was in and then went to the next place...and mind you i am not saying they did not hire some of their ILLEGAL fellows to help,they did probably all the time.....

would you guess that MOST ALL of the illegals in cali are working?

well my niece is having a relationship with one,this guy is trying to be a citizen,but he said it is going to be awhile....but he says the great majority around were we are.....are working....some 2-3 jobs....the so-called menial jobs....he is one who told me you dont want to live in Mexico,to him the "better life" stuff is getting away from the violence.....

would you say that what these workers produce is an indirect positive to Cali's economy?

I just don't know?

I live in a state that is 97% Caucasian, and the other 3% is primarily American Indians....illegals are not an issue....though a very high percentage of our citizens are in poverty.