Why I'm a Democrat now

[Brain357]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

I voted for George H.W. Bush in 1988, Bob Dole in 1996, and George W Bush in 2000 - All Republicans. NO MORE! I'm a Democrat now. Conservatives used to care about paying down our national debt, supporting our troops, and our European allies against threats from Communism. Today the party of Trump cares little about any of these, instead focusing on abusing little children on our southern border, sucking up to dictators from Russia, North Korea, and Turkey, and dividing this country as deeply as the days of the civil war.

I didn't agree with everything President Obama did, but America didn't turn into a socialist hellhole, nor did the economy crash on his watch as so many on the right wing predicted. This is the last post I'll do here, claiming I'm an Independent.

Sorry Trump supporters: You lost me - Goodby!

So, the first thing you point to is paying down the natonal debt, the say you are NOW A DEMOCRAT??

BULLSHIT.

They have a much better record than repubs. After 8 years of bitching about obama deficits what happened when repubs had full control for 2 years? DEFICITS INCREASED.

 

[bripat9643]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

I voted for George H.W. Bush in 1988, Bob Dole in 1996, and George W Bush in 2000 - All Republicans. NO MORE! I'm a Democrat now. Conservatives used to care about paying down our national debt, supporting our troops, and our European allies against threats from Communism. Today the party of Trump cares little about any of these, instead focusing on abusing little children on our southern border, sucking up to dictators from Russia, North Korea, and Turkey, and dividing this country as deeply as the days of the civil war.

I didn't agree with everything President Obama did, but America didn't turn into a socialist hellhole, nor did the economy crash on his watch as so many on the right wing predicted. This is the last post I'll do here, claiming I'm an Independent.

Sorry Trump supporters: You lost me - Goodby!

if you were an independent you would have problems with both parties..........

Yes independents do. But Republican's are in control of the Presidency, Senate, and even the supreme court. Their failures really stand out right now. Huge debt, failed pandemic response....

and so an indepent is supposed to think the democrats are going to do better?....

Yes. Things were clearly much better under Obama. Deficits have increased. Almost all trump policy has failed. Tariffs hurt manufacturing. Tax cuts didn't pay for themselves or lead to the promise 4-6% growth. Mexico isn't paying for the wall. Without the partisan blinders it's easy to see how failed trump has been.

yea you are an independent......lol.....

Yes. You can't deny all those failings. Independents don't follow failed policy.

Then you wouldn't vote for Biden.

Things were a whole lot better under obama and I assume biden will be similar.

It's impossible to state in mere words how big of a douchebag you are.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

All the interest paid on the debt isn't waste? You don't think the military wastes lots of dollars?

Is that why wealthy Democrats buy tax-free municipal bonds instead of U.S. Treasury bonds, bills, and notes? At least the military has guns, and guns aren't a waste of money like all that laser-taser and pepper spray stuff and the spinning disco balls on top of the city police cars.

Don't underestimate military waste.

Use-it or lose-it: DoD dropped $4.6 million on crab and lobster, and $9,000 on a chair in last-minute spending spree

The federal government found a way to spend $97 billion in a single month last year, of which more than $61 billion can be attributed to the Pentagon.

www.militarytimes.com

If you weren't such a commie, I'd probably agree with you on most things.

Too much military spending

War on drugs is fucking bullshit.

Government has too much power. If you agree with me on that, then there's no need to argue over shit. We should help each other. We should not be enemies.

 

[okfine]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

I voted for George H.W. Bush in 1988, Bob Dole in 1996, and George W Bush in 2000 - All Republicans. NO MORE! I'm a Democrat now. Conservatives used to care about paying down our national debt, supporting our troops, and our European allies against threats from Communism. Today the party of Trump cares little about any of these, instead focusing on abusing little children on our southern border, sucking up to dictators from Russia, North Korea, and Turkey, and dividing this country as deeply as the days of the civil war.

I didn't agree with everything President Obama did, but America didn't turn into a socialist hellhole, nor did the economy crash on his watch as so many on the right wing predicted. This is the last post I'll do here, claiming I'm an Independent.

Sorry Trump supporters: You lost me - Goodby!

You can still be an R, just please don't vote for the guy in office now. He doesn't deserve re-election.

 

[Brain357]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

I voted for George H.W. Bush in 1988, Bob Dole in 1996, and George W Bush in 2000 - All Republicans. NO MORE! I'm a Democrat now. Conservatives used to care about paying down our national debt, supporting our troops, and our European allies against threats from Communism. Today the party of Trump cares little about any of these, instead focusing on abusing little children on our southern border, sucking up to dictators from Russia, North Korea, and Turkey, and dividing this country as deeply as the days of the civil war.

I didn't agree with everything President Obama did, but America didn't turn into a socialist hellhole, nor did the economy crash on his watch as so many on the right wing predicted. This is the last post I'll do here, claiming I'm an Independent.

Sorry Trump supporters: You lost me - Goodby!

You claim to be worried about debt, so you are leaving the Republican Party for the party of The New Green Deal and their $120 TRILLION in deficit spending for that one program alone.

Sounds believable to me.

Trump has drastically increased deficits. He has made obama look fiscally responsible.

Blaming Trump for the COVID recession is that mark of a moron and a douchebag.

Trump was running trillion dollar deficits long before covid.

 

[bripat9643]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

I voted for George H.W. Bush in 1988, Bob Dole in 1996, and George W Bush in 2000 - All Republicans. NO MORE! I'm a Democrat now. Conservatives used to care about paying down our national debt, supporting our troops, and our European allies against threats from Communism. Today the party of Trump cares little about any of these, instead focusing on abusing little children on our southern border, sucking up to dictators from Russia, North Korea, and Turkey, and dividing this country as deeply as the days of the civil war.

I didn't agree with everything President Obama did, but America didn't turn into a socialist hellhole, nor did the economy crash on his watch as so many on the right wing predicted. This is the last post I'll do here, claiming I'm an Independent.

Sorry Trump supporters: You lost me - Goodby!

if you were an independent you would have problems with both parties..........

Yes independents do. But Republican's are in control of the Presidency, Senate, and even the supreme court. Their failures really stand out right now. Huge debt, failed pandemic response....

and so an indepent is supposed to think the democrats are going to do better?....

Yes. Things were clearly much better under Obama. Deficits have increased. Almost all trump policy has failed. Tariffs hurt manufacturing. Tax cuts didn't pay for themselves or lead to the promise 4-6% growth. Mexico isn't paying for the wall. Without the partisan blinders it's easy to see how failed trump has been.

yea you are an independent......lol.....

Yes. You can't deny all those failings. Independents don't follow failed policy.

independents have problems with both parties and would not look at biden, a guy who has been part of the reason they are independents as the guy to vote for....

Sadly we have but 2 choices. And trump has been a disaster so Biden gets the support. Again, you can't deny the failings. I'd go back to how things were 4 years ago any day. Country is a mess now and much deeper in debt.

why dont you just say you are democrat and end your charade,,,,

That's all you got? You can't debate the failings? If you can't debate the failings then voting Biden is quite clear.

im debating that you aint no indy...and you are wanting to debate trumps failings...lifelong politicians like joe biden is one of the reasons many people became independents.....for you to support him tells me one thing....you aint no independent....

Then you don't know independents. We pick the best candidate. Trump has clearly been a disaster and you can't seem to deny all his failings. I don't vote for failed policies.

You're as "independent" as Pol Pot.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Conservatives used to care about paying down our national debt,

Come on. You need to get real. That was the Democrats raising taxes to pay down the debt, but then they turn around a pass a gigantic spending bill every time. Republicans are no longer playing along with the liberals' tax-and-spend game.

supporting our troops, and our European allies against threats from Communism

That's more than enough boozing and schmoozing at the VFW and American Legion halls, and wining and dining in Europe. Dude, our troops support us, not the other way around. Who's lacing up the boots and bearing arms here, now? Because it sure as hell ain't the Democrats. And we've got more than enough city hall communism to overthrow right here at home in the States before we start worrying ourselves about the Russian krais and oblasts. Oh by the way the Russians are capitalists now, and they are more than fed up with communism and city hall themselves. And all that NATO gun control bullshit just keeps on coming from the European Union, world without end.

Yes the republicans cut taxes and borrow. Huge debt increase with trump.

If they would also cut spending, would you be OK with cutting taxes?

Particularly the military spending that doubles that of the next country, China?

 

[Brain357]

All the interest paid on the debt isn't waste? You don't think the military wastes lots of dollars?

Is that why wealthy Democrats buy tax-free municipal bonds instead of U.S. Treasury bonds, bills, and notes? At least the military has guns, and guns aren't a waste of money like all that laser-taser and pepper spray stuff and the spinning disco balls on top of the city police cars.

Don't underestimate military waste.

Use-it or lose-it: DoD dropped $4.6 million on crab and lobster, and $9,000 on a chair in last-minute spending spree

The federal government found a way to spend $97 billion in a single month last year, of which more than $61 billion can be attributed to the Pentagon.

www.militarytimes.com

If you weren't such a commie, I'd probably agree with you on most things.

Too much military spending

War on drugs is fucking bullshit.

Government has too much power. If you agree with me on that, then there's no need to argue over shit. We should help each other. We should not be enemies.

It is funny how we agree on some things and are very different on others. I like to think I'm much more civilized. But yes the government does have too much power. There are a lot of things government is in that they shouldn't. This is why I'm an independent. I don't really agree with Dems on all that much, but I think in recent years they somehow have done less damage. I am certainly hating this year....

 

[justinacolmena]

there's no need to argue over shit. We should help each other

Not when you're on weed.

We should not be enemies.

Well, you do weed and I don't. That, unfortunately, makes us mortal enemies to one another. Truly sorry, I cannot smoke your 1969 peace pipe.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

I voted for George H.W. Bush in 1988, Bob Dole in 1996, and George W Bush in 2000 - All Republicans. NO MORE! I'm a Democrat now. Conservatives used to care about paying down our national debt, supporting our troops, and our European allies against threats from Communism. Today the party of Trump cares little about any of these, instead focusing on abusing little children on our southern border, sucking up to dictators from Russia, North Korea, and Turkey, and dividing this country as deeply as the days of the civil war.

I didn't agree with everything President Obama did, but America didn't turn into a socialist hellhole, nor did the economy crash on his watch as so many on the right wing predicted. This is the last post I'll do here, claiming I'm an Independent.

Sorry Trump supporters: You lost me - Goodby!

if you were an independent you would have problems with both parties..........

Yes independents do. But Republican's are in control of the Presidency, Senate, and even the supreme court. Their failures really stand out right now. Huge debt, failed pandemic response....

and so an indepent is supposed to think the democrats are going to do better?....

Yes. Things were clearly much better under Obama. Deficits have increased. Almost all trump policy has failed. Tariffs hurt manufacturing. Tax cuts didn't pay for themselves or lead to the promise 4-6% growth. Mexico isn't paying for the wall. Without the partisan blinders it's easy to see how failed trump has been.

yea you are an independent......lol.....

Yes. You can't deny all those failings. Independents don't follow failed policy.

I'm also an Independent, but I'm smart enough to know I can never vote for a Democrat. Only a Socialist or even a Communist would vote Democrat.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

All the interest paid on the debt isn't waste? You don't think the military wastes lots of dollars?

Is that why wealthy Democrats buy tax-free municipal bonds instead of U.S. Treasury bonds, bills, and notes? At least the military has guns, and guns aren't a waste of money like all that laser-taser and pepper spray stuff and the spinning disco balls on top of the city police cars.

Don't underestimate military waste.

Use-it or lose-it: DoD dropped $4.6 million on crab and lobster, and $9,000 on a chair in last-minute spending spree

The federal government found a way to spend $97 billion in a single month last year, of which more than $61 billion can be attributed to the Pentagon.

www.militarytimes.com

If you weren't such a commie, I'd probably agree with you on most things.

Too much military spending

War on drugs is fucking bullshit.

Government has too much power. If you agree with me on that, then there's no need to argue over shit. We should help each other. We should not be enemies.

It is funny how we agree on some things and are very different on others. I like to think I'm much more civilized. But yes the government does have too much power. There are a lot of things government is in that they shouldn't. This is why I'm an independent. I don't really agree with Dems on all that much, but I think in recent years they somehow have done less damage. I am certainly hating this year....

Then I'll agree to pick a third-party candidate. Will you?

 

[Brain357]

Conservatives used to care about paying down our national debt,

Come on. You need to get real. That was the Democrats raising taxes to pay down the debt, but then they turn around a pass a gigantic spending bill every time. Republicans are no longer playing along with the liberals' tax-and-spend game.

supporting our troops, and our European allies against threats from Communism

That's more than enough boozing and schmoozing at the VFW and American Legion halls, and wining and dining in Europe. Dude, our troops support us, not the other way around. Who's lacing up the boots and bearing arms here, now? Because it sure as hell ain't the Democrats. And we've got more than enough city hall communism to overthrow right here at home in the States before we start worrying ourselves about the Russian krais and oblasts. Oh by the way the Russians are capitalists now, and they are more than fed up with communism and city hall themselves. And all that NATO gun control bullshit just keeps on coming from the European Union, world without end.

Yes the republicans cut taxes and borrow. Huge debt increase with trump.

If they would also cut spending, would you be OK with cutting taxes?

Particularly the military spending that doubles that of the next country, China?

Of course. But unlike repubs I think you cut the spending first. Government isn't the best user of $$$. I'm a Milton Friedman sort of republican. The party is no longer small government however. I'm much more of a capitalist than the right is.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

there's no need to argue over shit. We should help each other

Not when you're on weed.

We should not be enemies.

Well, you do weed and I don't. That, unfortunately, makes us mortal enemies to one another. Truly sorry, I cannot smoke your 1969 peace pipe.

I have never once smoked weed. I've never ingested weird. I've never had anything to do with weird.

Just because I happen to think the government should not be regulating the ingestion of marijuana, does not mean I will smoke it myself.

I just don't like government power. It's our power. We should keep it.

 

[justinacolmena]

The party is no longer small government however

The party. That's always the Communist Party when you put it like that. Never the Republican Party.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

I voted for George H.W. Bush in 1988, Bob Dole in 1996, and George W Bush in 2000 - All Republicans. NO MORE! I'm a Democrat now. Conservatives used to care about paying down our national debt, supporting our troops, and our European allies against threats from Communism. Today the party of Trump cares little about any of these, instead focusing on abusing little children on our southern border, sucking up to dictators from Russia, North Korea, and Turkey, and dividing this country as deeply as the days of the civil war.

I didn't agree with everything President Obama did, but America didn't turn into a socialist hellhole, nor did the economy crash on his watch as so many on the right wing predicted. This is the last post I'll do here, claiming I'm an Independent.

Sorry Trump supporters: You lost me - Goodby!

You can still be an R, just please don't vote for the guy in office now. He doesn't deserve re-election.

Sorry. He's the first since Reagan that I am INSPIRED to vote for!

 

[justinacolmena]

Just because I happen to think the government should not be regulating the ingestion of marijuana, does not mean I will smoke it myself.

Second-hand marijuana smoke just makes me want to hunt down and kill anyone responsible for it.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Conservatives used to care about paying down our national debt,

Come on. You need to get real. That was the Democrats raising taxes to pay down the debt, but then they turn around a pass a gigantic spending bill every time. Republicans are no longer playing along with the liberals' tax-and-spend game.

supporting our troops, and our European allies against threats from Communism

That's more than enough boozing and schmoozing at the VFW and American Legion halls, and wining and dining in Europe. Dude, our troops support us, not the other way around. Who's lacing up the boots and bearing arms here, now? Because it sure as hell ain't the Democrats. And we've got more than enough city hall communism to overthrow right here at home in the States before we start worrying ourselves about the Russian krais and oblasts. Oh by the way the Russians are capitalists now, and they are more than fed up with communism and city hall themselves. And all that NATO gun control bullshit just keeps on coming from the European Union, world without end.

Yes the republicans cut taxes and borrow. Huge debt increase with trump.

If they would also cut spending, would you be OK with cutting taxes?

Particularly the military spending that doubles that of the next country, China?

Of course. But unlike repubs I think you cut the spending first. Government isn't the best user of $$$. I'm a Milton Friedman sort of republican. The party is no longer small government however. I'm much more of a capitalist than the right is.

You see Brian. We agree on stuff. We agree that these fucktard's in government spending money like a bunch of fucking spend-thrift, trust fun kids.

Neither of the parties give us what we really want, responsibility. We need a viable third-party.

 

[Brain357]

All the interest paid on the debt isn't waste? You don't think the military wastes lots of dollars?

Is that why wealthy Democrats buy tax-free municipal bonds instead of U.S. Treasury bonds, bills, and notes? At least the military has guns, and guns aren't a waste of money like all that laser-taser and pepper spray stuff and the spinning disco balls on top of the city police cars.

Don't underestimate military waste.

Use-it or lose-it: DoD dropped $4.6 million on crab and lobster, and $9,000 on a chair in last-minute spending spree

The federal government found a way to spend $97 billion in a single month last year, of which more than $61 billion can be attributed to the Pentagon.

www.militarytimes.com

If you weren't such a commie, I'd probably agree with you on most things.

Too much military spending

War on drugs is fucking bullshit.

Government has too much power. If you agree with me on that, then there's no need to argue over shit. We should help each other. We should not be enemies.

It is funny how we agree on some things and are very different on others. I like to think I'm much more civilized. But yes the government does have too much power. There are a lot of things government is in that they shouldn't. This is why I'm an independent. I don't really agree with Dems on all that much, but I think in recent years they somehow have done less damage. I am certainly hating this year....

Then I'll agree to pick a third-party candidate. Will you?

Like I said, I'm hating this year. I want change. This is the first time I think I've ever cared so much about getting rid of a president. I'm voting for whoever is most likely to get rid of him. I don't think that will be a third party. Criminal how hard the two have made it for a third party isn't it?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

All the interest paid on the debt isn't waste? You don't think the military wastes lots of dollars?

Is that why wealthy Democrats buy tax-free municipal bonds instead of U.S. Treasury bonds, bills, and notes? At least the military has guns, and guns aren't a waste of money like all that laser-taser and pepper spray stuff and the spinning disco balls on top of the city police cars.

Don't underestimate military waste.

Use-it or lose-it: DoD dropped $4.6 million on crab and lobster, and $9,000 on a chair in last-minute spending spree

The federal government found a way to spend $97 billion in a single month last year, of which more than $61 billion can be attributed to the Pentagon.

www.militarytimes.com

If you weren't such a commie, I'd probably agree with you on most things.

Too much military spending

War on drugs is fucking bullshit.

Government has too much power. If you agree with me on that, then there's no need to argue over shit. We should help each other. We should not be enemies.

It is funny how we agree on some things and are very different on others. I like to think I'm much more civilized. But yes the government does have too much power. There are a lot of things government is in that they shouldn't. This is why I'm an independent. I don't really agree with Dems on all that much, but I think in recent years they somehow have done less damage. I am certainly hating this year....

Then I'll agree to pick a third-party candidate. Will you?

Like I said, I'm hating this year. I want change. This is the first time I think I've ever cared so much about getting rid of a president. I'm voting for whoever is most likely to get rid of him. I don't think that will be a third party. Criminal how hard the two have made it for a third party isn't it?

I totally fucking agree. 100%.

No matter what they do against each other, they make sure that no third-party has one fucking single chance whatsoever.

I would like a constitutional amendment requiring a third-party be involved. And everything. Period!

 

[Brain357]

Conservatives used to care about paying down our national debt,

Come on. You need to get real. That was the Democrats raising taxes to pay down the debt, but then they turn around a pass a gigantic spending bill every time. Republicans are no longer playing along with the liberals' tax-and-spend game.

supporting our troops, and our European allies against threats from Communism

That's more than enough boozing and schmoozing at the VFW and American Legion halls, and wining and dining in Europe. Dude, our troops support us, not the other way around. Who's lacing up the boots and bearing arms here, now? Because it sure as hell ain't the Democrats. And we've got more than enough city hall communism to overthrow right here at home in the States before we start worrying ourselves about the Russian krais and oblasts. Oh by the way the Russians are capitalists now, and they are more than fed up with communism and city hall themselves. And all that NATO gun control bullshit just keeps on coming from the European Union, world without end.

Yes the republicans cut taxes and borrow. Huge debt increase with trump.

If they would also cut spending, would you be OK with cutting taxes?

Particularly the military spending that doubles that of the next country, China?

Of course. But unlike repubs I think you cut the spending first. Government isn't the best user of $$$. I'm a Milton Friedman sort of republican. The party is no longer small government however. I'm much more of a capitalist than the right is.

You see Brian. We agree on stuff. We agree that these fucktard's in government spending money like a bunch of fucking spend-thrift, trust fun kids.

Neither of the parties give us what we really want, responsibility. We need a viable third-party.

Clearly we need something better. Do you feel as strongly about needing some sort of campaign finance reform? I tend to think all our politicians are bought by some lobby or another. And like Milton Freidman would say, lobbies help a minority.... I don't think I'm ever part of the minority being help.