Why I don't believe in God

[ChrisL]

I think he is saying that a whole lot of people are brainwashed since the time they are . . .well infants in some cases to "fear" God. You don't realize how difficult and frightening it is to go against that type of brainwashing and to actually have the audacity to question "belief" systems, like religious beliefs. IOW, a lot of people are kind of "forced" into it. They just don't realize it.

And I think a whole lot of people are brainwashed since childhood that God doesn't matter or doesn't really exist. It's a two-way street. But it's not my business to raise your kids and not your business to raise mine. If you want people to leave your kids alone you need to leave their kids alone. Everyone's world doesn't revolve around your opinion.

We see the video of kids being indoctrinated by religion but where are the videos of the parents teaching their kid there's no such thing as God? If one is "child abuse" so is the other, in my opinion. Setting aside the extreme examples as depicted in the video, (because I've never personally known any kids raised that way...) I have known kids raised in strong spiritual families and kids raised in atheistic families... there is a night and day difference in the people they become. From the level of respect they have for others to the respect they have for themselves. Their trustworthiness, their dependability, their general attitude toward life... just not comparable.

I'm not saying one is always bad and the other is always good, but generally speaking, the results speak for themselves. You think these little degenerate hellions out there shitting on the cop cars were raised in a spiritual family? Or were they probably raised by some immoral ***** who went around mocking God and making fun of religious people?

So basically, you think people need religion to be good people?

 

[hobelim]

We have to establish some very clear and unambiguous standards for what is considered "abuse" in terms of the law. I don't see anything in the video that denotes "abuse" as it's currently defined, emotionally, physically or otherwise. You may not agree with what is happening there but it's not your children, and it's not your business. It's amazing that you don't seem to like the idea of religious people indoctrinating your kids but you think it's okay to take their kids away and indoctrinate them with your beliefs. Isn't that being a little bit of a hypocrite?

Yes, that would be hypocritical but that is not what I suggested. Pornography is currently restricted for adults only because of the potential negative effects it could have on children who have not yet matured physically, emotionally or intellectually.. Religion should be restricted for the exact same reasons. What is so objectionable to you if children were required to be educated in the natural world about things that are true, tested, and verified, before their minds are defiled and contaminated with beliefs that contradict what is known to be true and cannot be verified?

Maybe children should learn about gravity before they are exposed to figurative stories with people flying through the air, biology before they are taught about the dead coming out of their graves,literary expression before they are taught hyperbolical depictions of worldwide destruction and eternal torment? Shouldn't they at least be taught that these stories are figurative and not literal ? Would you not think it was abusive to teach children that the story of the three pigs was a historical document about a time in the past when pigs and wolves could talk and build houses? Wouldn't it potentially cripple them for life if they believed? How would that not be criminal?

Again, you are under some kind of damned delusion that people get religion then go out there and "usurp power" from someone. I don't get that. What are they doing, using mind control or something?

Exactly. Its what used to be called demonic possession, sorcery. Even the Bible teaches that mind control is a great evil.

Oh well... if you're NOT an Atheist, I guess you CAN be demonized! If that makes you feel uncomfortable maybe you shouldn't be so demonic in your behavior? Just a thought.

There you go again. A person being demonized has nothing whatsoever about whether the person believes or doesn't believe in demons.

Are you really that dumb?

Yeah... funny how open republican democracies work. We tend to like electing people we can relate to, who share our same values. That's really sticking in your craw, isn't it? You'd love for this to be your own personal little dictatorship so you could tell everyone how to live and what to believe in. Let's just program everyone to think and act like hobelim! ...In less than 6 months, you'd be conducting rituals like the preacher in the video... little kids falling in the floor at your waving hand!

I would be conducting rituals? Yeah right...

No, I just think that if people were given the responsibility to vote about real issues with grave consequences they should at least be educated sober mined and sane, not ignorant irrational and awaiting with deranged anticipation for God to fart angels out of the sky..

You might as well take a poll in an insane asylum to form a national policy about what to do about the price of tea in china.

Can anyone take their grade school children to a raucous strip club serving booze, religiously, because thats what their parents do? Is it a gross violation of their rights that it is not legal for them to do so?

How is that any different than talking them to a raucous tent revival filled with jumping and screaming dimwits? Forcing them to chant verses from the koran about killing infidels for 12 hours a day until they go permanently crazy? Circumcising the foreskins of infants because a God that no one has seen or heard from in their entire lives wants them to do it because it says so in a 5000 year old book of children stories?

 

[Boss]

If I didn't know better, I would think the good "spiritual" man was trying to insult me. Look friend, you keep saying how "spiritual" you are and other such things. It doesn't seem to make you anymore "serene" though.

Oh, you thought I was talking about YOU when I mentioned the immoral *****? No, I was speaking hypothetically. And again, here you are trying to use my spirituality to "guilt trip" me. I've already tried to explain to you that I am not like a Christian, I don't have a Commandment to follow about being "serene" or cordial toward you. So that tactic will not ever work on me. I reciprocate respect or disrespect. How you are treated is directly related to how you treat me.

So basically, you think people need religion to be good people?

I didn't say that. I know religious people who are despicable and I know atheists who are admirable. Every individual on this planet is different and I try to never use a broad brush to define anyone. That's why you see me preface my remarks with "I'm not saying one is always bad and one is always good."

A lot of "religious" people are not spiritual people at all. They USE religion to maintain a facade. I think this is often what sources the angst people like you have for the religious. I also believe there are very spiritual people who aren't religious.. I am one of them. I often raise eyebrows when I say... I've known Atheists who are bigger believers in God than some Christians. I think that's true.

All that said, set aside "religion"... people who have a strong spiritual connection are generally more trustworthy, loyal, honest, etc. That's my experience. People who ignore their spiritual connection are generally unreliable, more likely to be dishonest and untrustworthy. Again, that's my experience.

 

[Boss]

We have to establish some very clear and unambiguous standards for what is considered "abuse" in terms of the law. I don't see anything in the video that denotes "abuse" as it's currently defined, emotionally, physically or otherwise. You may not agree with what is happening there but it's not your children, and it's not your business. It's amazing that you don't seem to like the idea of religious people indoctrinating your kids but you think it's okay to take their kids away and indoctrinate them with your beliefs. Isn't that being a little bit of a hypocrite?

Yes, that would be hypocritical but that is not what I suggested. Pornography is currently restricted for adults only because of the potential negative effects it could have on children who have not yet matured physically, emotionally or intellectually.. Religion should be restricted for the exact same reasons. What is so objectionable to you if children were required to be educated in the natural world about things that are true, tested, and verified, before their minds are contaminated with beliefs that contradict what is known to be true and cannot be verified?

Maybe children should learn about gravity before they are exposed to figurative stories with people flying through the air, biology before they are taught about the dead coming out of their graves,literary expression before they are taught hyperbolical depictions of worldwide destruction and eternal torment? Shouldn't they at least be taught that these stories are figurative and not literal ? Would you not think it was abusive to teach children that the story of the three pigs was a historical document about a time in the past when pigs and wolves could talk and build houses? Wouldn't it cripple them if they believed? How would that not be criminal?

Again, you are under some kind of damned delusion that people get religion then go out there and "usurp power" from someone. I don't get that. What are they doing, using mind control or something?

Exactly. Its what used to be called demonic possession, sorcery. Even the Bible teaches that mind control is a great evil.

Oh well... if you're NOT an Atheist, I guess you CAN be demonized! If that makes you feel uncomfortable maybe you shouldn't be so demonic in your behavior? Just a thought.

There you go again. A person being demonized has nothing whatsoever about whether the person believes or doesn't believe in demons.

Are you really that dumb?

Yeah... funny how open republican democracies work. We tend to like electing people we can relate to, who share our same values. That's really sticking in your craw, isn't it? You'd love for this to be your own personal little dictatorship so you could tell everyone how to live and what to believe in. Let's just program everyone to think and act like hobelim! ...In less than 6 months, you'd be conducting rituals like the preacher in the video... little kids falling in the floor at your waving hand!

I would be conducting rituals? Yeah right...

No, I just think that if people were given the responsibility to vote about real issues with grave consequences they should at least be educated sober mined and sane, not ignorant irrational and insane..

You might as well take a poll in an insane asylum to form a national policy about what to do about the price of tea in china.

Can anyone take their grade school children to a raucous strip club serving booze, religiously, because thats what their parents do? Is it a gross violation of their rights that it is not legal for them to do so?

How is that any different than talking them to a raucous tent revival filled with jumping and screaming dimwits?

Again, it sounds like you want to dictate what kids are taught... in other words, you want to indoctrinate them with your disbelief in God. Furthermore, you'd be okay with locking people up for defying your indoctrination attempts. Yep, I'd give you 6 months following the criminalizing of religion before you'd be leading a cult of little kids falling in the floor at your waving hand. You're a little Fascist who wants the world to follow your view.

Pornography is currently restricted for adults only because of the potential negative effects it could have on children who have not yet matured physically, emotionally or intellectually.

You do realize that is a religiously-based viewpoint and is the result of religious people who made laws based on their religious moral beliefs.... right?

Even the Bible teaches that mind control is a great evil.

Oh my... is this where you want me to jerk and twitch and fall in the floor? I think you have to also wave your hand like you are sowing the spirit... keep practicing!

There you go again. A person being demonized has nothing whatsoever about whether the person believes or doesn't believe in demons.

Are you really that dumb?

Maybe you should go look up what "demonize" means? You can demonize someone who doesn't believe in demons but what does that mean? Oooo.... I'm like a demon... I'm so scared! If you don't believe in demons it's no different than someone likening you to Peter Pan. What difference does that make if you don't believe? ...Of course, you said you are not an Atheist, so you DO believe... that's different... you CAN be demonized.

 

[hobelim]

Oh, you thought I was talking about YOU when I mentioned the immoral *****?

Charming.

If that is evidence of you connecting with something greater than yourself it isn't saying very much about you.

 

[Boss]

Oh, you thought I was talking about YOU when I mentioned the immoral *****?

Charming.

If that is evidence of you connecting with something greater than yourself it isn't saying very much about you.

Ahhahaha... another Guilt Tripper?

 

[OZman]

Maybe children should learn about gravity before they are exposed to figurative stories with people flying through the air, biology before they are taught about the dead coming out of their graves,literary expression before they are taught hyperbolical depictions of worldwide destruction and eternal torment? Shouldn't they at least be taught that these stories are figurative and not literal ? Would you not think it was abusive to teach children that the story of the three pigs was a historical document about a time in the past when pigs and wolves could talk and build houses? Wouldn't it potentially cripple them for life if they believed? How would that not be criminal?

I agree, it is child abuse.

 

[BreezeWood]

At least 4 dead, 14 injured in Maryland crash

"At least four people were killed and 14 others injured after a church van crashed into a pickup truck and caught fire in Hyattsville, Md. on Sunday, according to local authorities."

What's the point of a god who never prevents this sort of thing. Church vans crash all the time.

There is a difference between believing in a god and believing in a perfect god. I believe in God, but I do not think he/it is anywhere close to perfection. That way of thinking is quite uncommon among my fellow Christian pawns, but so be it.

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Onyx: I believe in God, but I do not think he/it is anywhere close to perfection. That way of thinking is quite uncommon among my fellow Christian pawns, but so be it.

I would suggest your belief is "quite uncommon" to all recognized religions on Earth with few if any exceptions - and begs the question, what then is Perfection ....

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[Edward_Palamar]

You don't believe in God because you're an egotistical snob.

 

[sealybobo]

Lol. I keep asking you what is this "thing" that you (not me - LOL) is supposedly "connecting" with?? Explain please.

Oh, now you are saying there is a "spiritual creator??"

Spirituality exists in your own head but nowhere else. Get used to it. No god or "spiritual creator" is going to help you. You are on your own.

I know, you keep coming to this thread like a moth to a light bulb, don't you? All for the purpose of somehow convincing me that what I "believe in" isn't real. When you tire of mocking me and ridiculing my views, you denigrate me and call me dumb. And it drives you nuts that this isn't working to persuade me, I still "believe in" the same things. So you just keep repeating the cycle over and over in hopes that one day it will have the desired effect.

Yes, I believe we have a spiritual Creator... and you believe what? That physical nature created itself? The universe is... (ahem) Eternal? What is your explanation for why we exist?

Here's the problem, I am the kind of guy who doesn't really have a lot of faith in anything. I have a hard time with faith that I am reassured of, much less, blind faith. For me, things have to make sense and follow logic. That's why I can't comprehend physical nature being able to create itself... it doesn't make sense. Some other force had to create the physical or it can't exist.

I spent a long time in the wilderness, not knowing what I believed. Not feeling a connection to anything, especially not anything spiritual. I can't tell you a day or hour that I changed my mind because I think it's always been inside of me, I just wasn't aware. I went through a series of life-changing events where all my hopes and dreams were shattered and my life had to start completely over. While grasping to cope with this, I read several books about the power of positive thinking, meditation, that kind of thing... nothing in particular... no "enlightenment moment" where it all made sense... just random reading and studying on how to make myself better, how to heal... It was through this that I began to realize a common thread. Faith in the power of something greater than yourself.

I began, on my own with no instruction... to devote a little time each day to meditation. I usually do this in the morning with coffee and in the late evening when I lay down. There are no other distractions, I turn off the computer or TV... just me alone with my thoughts. I clear my mind of everything I am thinking about, all my assorted problems and things I need to get done... I focus on my person... who I am... who I want to be... I think about things helping me and hurting me with the objectives I have for myself. And this is where it get's interesting because I can't really explain what happens to someone who hasn't experienced it. Sometimes, ten minutes, twenty minutes... maybe even 30... I begin to feel a connection with an energy that is not physical. It is emanating around me like a whirlwind but it's not felt in a physical sense.

The more I practiced this meditation ritual, the more I began to feel comfortable with this energy and the more I began to explore utilizing it to my advantage. I started to notice a difference almost immediately in the way I handled things. My decision-making process, my train of thought, my attitude in general were all improved. Things began to go well for me. Problems I thought were insurmountable became nothing at all. Most incredibly, I no longer felt hungry inside... I didn't have that feeling that something was missing.

Naturally, after a while I began to take all of this for granted and I kind of slacked off on the meditation thing for a while... well, guess what? I could tell a difference. Things started to go to shit again for me and that's when I think the switch went on in my head... I realized that my spiritual connection was important to me. So now... when I encounter goofballs who proclaim "it's all made up nonsense" ...I just laugh at that. You may as well be trying to convince me my mother doesn't exist.

A thread like this? Lol. Do I have to remind you of the topic of the thread and the thread title again? Goodness!!

As to the rest of your post, none of this is evidence of anything except your feelings.

 

[ChrisL]

Lol. I keep asking you what is this "thing" that you (not me - LOL) is supposedly "connecting" with?? Explain please.

Oh, now you are saying there is a "spiritual creator??"

Spirituality exists in your own head but nowhere else. Get used to it. No god or "spiritual creator" is going to help you. You are on your own.

I know, you keep coming to this thread like a moth to a light bulb, don't you? All for the purpose of somehow convincing me that what I "believe in" isn't real. When you tire of mocking me and ridiculing my views, you denigrate me and call me dumb. And it drives you nuts that this isn't working to persuade me, I still "believe in" the same things. So you just keep repeating the cycle over and over in hopes that one day it will have the desired effect.

Yes, I believe we have a spiritual Creator... and you believe what? That physical nature created itself? The universe is... (ahem) Eternal? What is your explanation for why we exist?

Here's the problem, I am the kind of guy who doesn't really have a lot of faith in anything. I have a hard time with faith that I am reassured of, much less, blind faith. For me, things have to make sense and follow logic. That's why I can't comprehend physical nature being able to create itself... it doesn't make sense. Some other force had to create the physical or it can't exist.

I spent a long time in the wilderness, not knowing what I believed. Not feeling a connection to anything, especially not anything spiritual. I can't tell you a day or hour that I changed my mind because I think it's always been inside of me, I just wasn't aware. I went through a series of life-changing events where all my hopes and dreams were shattered and my life had to start completely over. While grasping to cope with this, I read several books about the power of positive thinking, meditation, that kind of thing... nothing in particular... no "enlightenment moment" where it all made sense... just random reading and studying on how to make myself better, how to heal... It was through this that I began to realize a common thread. Faith in the power of something greater than yourself.

I began, on my own with no instruction... to devote a little time each day to meditation. I usually do this in the morning with coffee and in the late evening when I lay down. There are no other distractions, I turn off the computer or TV... just me alone with my thoughts. I clear my mind of everything I am thinking about, all my assorted problems and things I need to get done... I focus on my person... who I am... who I want to be... I think about things helping me and hurting me with the objectives I have for myself. And this is where it get's interesting because I can't really explain what happens to someone who hasn't experienced it. Sometimes, ten minutes, twenty minutes... maybe even 30... I begin to feel a connection with an energy that is not physical. It is emanating around me like a whirlwind but it's not felt in a physical sense.

The more I practiced this meditation ritual, the more I began to feel comfortable with this energy and the more I began to explore utilizing it to my advantage. I started to notice a difference almost immediately in the way I handled things. My decision-making process, my train of thought, my attitude in general were all improved. Things began to go well for me. Problems I thought were insurmountable became nothing at all. Most incredibly, I no longer felt hungry inside... I didn't have that feeling that something was missing.

Naturally, after a while I began to take all of this for granted and I kind of slacked off on the meditation thing for a while... well, guess what? I could tell a difference. Things started to go to shit again for me and that's when I think the switch went on in my head... I realized that my spiritual connection was important to me. So now... when I encounter goofballs who proclaim "it's all made up nonsense" ...I just laugh at that. You may as well be trying to convince me my mother doesn't exist.

A thread like this? Lol. Do I have to remind you of the topic of the thread and the thread title again? Goodness!!

As to the rest of your post, none of this is evidence of anything except your feelings.

Cute!

 

[presonorek]

none of this is evidence of anything except your feelings.

There is a story like that in the Bible.

 

[BreezeWood]

Lol. I keep asking you what is this "thing" that you (not me - LOL) is supposedly "connecting" with?? Explain please.

Oh, now you are saying there is a "spiritual creator??"

Spirituality exists in your own head but nowhere else. Get used to it. No god or "spiritual creator" is going to help you. You are on your own.

I know, you keep coming to this thread like a moth to a light bulb, don't you? All for the purpose of somehow convincing me that what I "believe in" isn't real. When you tire of mocking me and ridiculing my views, you denigrate me and call me dumb. And it drives you nuts that this isn't working to persuade me, I still "believe in" the same things. So you just keep repeating the cycle over and over in hopes that one day it will have the desired effect.

Yes, I believe we have a spiritual Creator... and you believe what? That physical nature created itself? The universe is... (ahem) Eternal? What is your explanation for why we exist?

Here's the problem, I am the kind of guy who doesn't really have a lot of faith in anything. I have a hard time with faith that I am reassured of, much less, blind faith. For me, things have to make sense and follow logic. That's why I can't comprehend physical nature being able to create itself... it doesn't make sense. Some other force had to create the physical or it can't exist.

I spent a long time in the wilderness, not knowing what I believed. Not feeling a connection to anything, especially not anything spiritual. I can't tell you a day or hour that I changed my mind because I think it's always been inside of me, I just wasn't aware. I went through a series of life-changing events where all my hopes and dreams were shattered and my life had to start completely over. While grasping to cope with this, I read several books about the power of positive thinking, meditation, that kind of thing... nothing in particular... no "enlightenment moment" where it all made sense... just random reading and studying on how to make myself better, how to heal... It was through this that I began to realize a common thread. Faith in the power of something greater than yourself.

I began, on my own with no instruction... to devote a little time each day to meditation. I usually do this in the morning with coffee and in the late evening when I lay down. There are no other distractions, I turn off the computer or TV... just me alone with my thoughts. I clear my mind of everything I am thinking about, all my assorted problems and things I need to get done... I focus on my person... who I am... who I want to be... I think about things helping me and hurting me with the objectives I have for myself. And this is where it get's interesting because I can't really explain what happens to someone who hasn't experienced it. Sometimes, ten minutes, twenty minutes... maybe even 30... I begin to feel a connection with an energy that is not physical. It is emanating around me like a whirlwind but it's not felt in a physical sense.

The more I practiced this meditation ritual, the more I began to feel comfortable with this energy and the more I began to explore utilizing it to my advantage. I started to notice a difference almost immediately in the way I handled things. My decision-making process, my train of thought, my attitude in general were all improved. Things began to go well for me. Problems I thought were insurmountable became nothing at all. Most incredibly, I no longer felt hungry inside... I didn't have that feeling that something was missing.

Naturally, after a while I began to take all of this for granted and I kind of slacked off on the meditation thing for a while... well, guess what? I could tell a difference. Things started to go to shit again for me and that's when I think the switch went on in my head... I realized that my spiritual connection was important to me. So now... when I encounter goofballs who proclaim "it's all made up nonsense" ...I just laugh at that. You may as well be trying to convince me my mother doesn't exist.

A thread like this? Lol. Do I have to remind you of the topic of the thread and the thread title again? Goodness!!

As to the rest of your post, none of this is evidence of anything except your feelings.

Cute!

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bos: things have to make sense and follow logic. That's why I can't comprehend physical nature being able to create itself... it doesn't make sense. Some other force had to create the physical or it can't exist.

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if that were true was the Creator also responsible for the environment it was created in or once self created was able to multiply their discovery ...

and likewise, no one is really discussing non-physical physical nature. notice the difference.

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[Boss]

if that were true was the Creator also responsible for the environment it was created in or once self created was able to multiply their discovery ...

I don't understand the question. An "environment" is physical. Everything we can see, hear, feel, smell or taste, is physical. Atoms, molecules and particles are physical. Matter and energy are physical. When the word "create" or "created" is used, it generally means in a physical sense... I have no idea how to "create" something that isn't physical or how to determine if it exists. Existence means to exist in a state of physical reality.

I understand the Laws of Thermodynamics... it does not conform to logic that physical matter and energy has always existed. It had to have a point of beginning somewhere. Since the physical cannot create itself, that only leaves one possibility of what created it.

 

[BreezeWood]

if that were true was the Creator also responsible for the environment it was created in or once self created was able to multiply their discovery ...

I don't understand the question. An "environment" is physical. Everything we can see, hear, feel, smell or taste, is physical. Atoms, molecules and particles are physical. Matter and energy are physical. When the word "create" or "created" is used, it generally means in a physical sense... I have no idea how to "create" something that isn't physical or how to determine if it exists. Existence means to exist in a state of physical reality.

I understand the Laws of Thermodynamics... it does not conform to logic that physical matter and energy has always existed. It had to have a point of beginning somewhere. Since the physical cannot create itself, that only leaves one possibility of what created it.

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if that were true was the Creator also responsible for the environment it was created in ...

why was this "created" non-physical along with most of all other observed celestial bodies while Garden Earth physical nature is unique enough as to have no other parallel yet observed or even remotely equivalent throughout the entire universe - obviously bossy's greater than self god has a limited mentality.

as in if physical nature (Garden Earth) were created, why were the other planets in our solar system not set in orbit inside the same hospitable zone as Earth capable of vast variances of life than complete desolation.


bos: Existence means to exist in a state of physical reality.

no, life begins from nothing - they are interchangeable.


b: Since the physical cannot create itself

what are you referring to as physical, does that include physiology as being the same as a boulder ?

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[Boss]

as in if physical nature (Garden Earth) were created, why were the other planets in our solar system not set in orbit inside the same hospitable zone as Earth capable of vast variances of life than complete desolation.

Probably because if all the planets in our solar system existed in the same zone they would collide with one another and we'd all die? It's a really silly question... why didn't God just make us to where we could exist in 2k degree heat or -2k degree cold? Why didn't God make us where we could breathe helium or hydrogen instead of air? Why not just give every planet it's own Sun, Moon, iron-nickel core, atmosphere, liquid water, air pressure, seasons and tides?

Why didn't God just make us all to where we have no choice but to believe in Him? Like breathing or eating, it could have been something we had no choice about. Maybe it is because God doesn't have the same intentions as you would have if you were God? Maybe it's because of things you've yet to understand because you're a human? How do you know that spiritual entities who are not physical don't exist in those places in another dimension we can't perceive?

 

[Boss]

no, life begins from nothing - they are interchangeable.

Life does NOT begin from nothing. Biogenesis.... Life comes from life.

b: Since the physical cannot create itself

what are you referring to as physical, does that include physiology as being the same as a boulder ?

Physical is clearly defined in every dictionary on the planet. Go look up the definition if you're confused about what it means. Yes, boulders are physical. Any more stupid questions?

 

[ChrisL]

as in if physical nature (Garden Earth) were created, why were the other planets in our solar system not set in orbit inside the same hospitable zone as Earth capable of vast variances of life than complete desolation.

Probably because if all the planets in our solar system existed in the same zone they would collide with one another and we'd all die? It's a really silly question... why didn't God just make us to where we could exist in 2k degree heat or -2k degree cold? Why didn't God make us where we could breathe helium or hydrogen instead of air? Why not just give every planet it's own Sun, Moon, iron-nickel core, atmosphere, liquid water, air pressure, seasons and tides?

Why didn't God just make us all to where we have no choice but to believe in Him? Like breathing or eating, it could have been something we had no choice about. Maybe it is because God doesn't have the same intentions as you would have if you were God? Maybe it's because of things you've yet to understand because you're a human? How do you know that spiritual entities who are not physical don't exist in those places in another dimension we can't perceive?

Yes, there are gods up there in the sky making the planets move. Ala Kazam!

 

[Boss]

Yes, there are gods up there in the sky making the planets move.

Well Chris, according to Ike Newton, something is making things move. Our planet is moving 25k miles per hour, although, from outer space the movement is almost imperceptible. Yet... if not for this precise movement that hasn't changed in hundreds of thousands of years, we wouldn't have seasons, we wouldn't have average temperatures we could live in, there couldn't be any plants or sea life, we wouldn't have any climate, there wouldn't be any ocean convection, most of our water would be frozen.

 

[BreezeWood]

as in if physical nature (Garden Earth) were created, why were the other planets in our solar system not set in orbit inside the same hospitable zone as Earth capable of vast variances of life than complete desolation.

Probably because if all the planets in our solar system existed in the same zone they would collide with one another and we'd all die? It's a really silly question... why didn't God just make us to where we could exist in 2k degree heat or -2k degree cold? Why didn't God make us where we could breathe helium or hydrogen instead of air? Why not just give every planet it's own Sun, Moon, iron-nickel core, atmosphere, liquid water, air pressure, seasons and tides?

Why didn't God just make us all to where we have no choice but to believe in Him? Like breathing or eating, it could have been something we had no choice about. Maybe it is because God doesn't have the same intentions as you would have if you were God? Maybe it's because of things you've yet to understand because you're a human? How do you know that spiritual entities who are not physical don't exist in those places in another dimension we can't perceive?

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b: Probably because if all the planets in our solar system existed in the same zone they would collide with one another and we'd all die?

of course you have the special knowledge why Earth and our moon "would collide with one another and we'd all die" reason for their exclusion - why there are 8 other planets in our solar system deliberately by your belief for a cognoscente reason, its simply a mathematical coincidence ...


Life does NOT begin from nothing

no, you're a clone but others identity begins at inception, Spiritually, sink or swim.



Physical is clearly defined in every dictionary on the planet - Yes, boulders are physical ...

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... does that include physiology as being the same as a boulder ?

your meditation clearly defines your comfort zone, bound by your own cranium.

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