WHY health care needed reform

[Brutus]

The purpose of the nonprofit is to maximize service and minimize cost which may or not increase surplus.

of course no one knows what it means to maximize service unless competition tells you through the profits generated. The USSR and Red China failed because they were liberals like you who imagined they knew what was needed better than millions of consumers voting every day for what they need with their own hard earned money!

Before capitalism maximized service in Red China 50 million slowly starved to death, when they switched to capitalism 20 million immediately could afford cars!! See what we mean about a low IQ? No other conclusion is possible. Sorry

 

[Flopper]

I totally disagree for two reasons. First a nonprofit can not produce a profit by definition.

if they want to open a new McDonalds they need money whether you call it profit or not!!

Secondly, a nonprofit health provider such as a hospital may add services with no expectation of increasing revenue.

idiotic, a restaurant can be forced to add a grease trap, or paint their building for example, but neither increases revenue directly!!

Our local hospital installed a half million dollars in air handling filtration to help prevent the spread of air borne diseases. I seriously doubt that it will add a dimes worth of revenue, but it will make the hospital a little safer for the patients. That's the difference in a for profit and nonprofit. The motive of a for- profit is to increase profits which may or may not increase service. The opposite is true for nonprofit.

now does the silly liberal understand???????????

A typical restaurant is in business to make a profit. That is why it exists. A nonprofit hospital exists to provide a service, not make a profit. A profit in a restaurant can be returned to the owners. A surplus in a nonprofit cannot. If you don’t understand this, further discussion is pointless.

 

[Flopper]

Of course not. Most non profits have revenues that exceed their expenses and thus have a surplus. That surplus can not returned to owners. It must be used to improve, expand the service or retained. Since the owners which are usually a not for profit corporation or a trust do not receive dividends or any capital gains, their is no pressure from owners to increase profits because there are none. The purpose of the nonprofit is to maximize service and minimize cost which may or not increase surplus.

Doesn't hold true for Medicare or Medicaid. It doesn't necessarily follow for the Red Cross, a public hospital or nonprofit insurance carrier either.

Most governments and government agencies are not considered NPOs.

Yes, you are correct charitable nonprofits will typical spend what of what they collect so they do not build up a surplus. Actually Red Cross does build a surplus for emergencies. Most nonprofit hospitals do build surpluses that are used for expansion and improving service.

 

[Flopper]

The purpose of the nonprofit is to maximize service and minimize cost which may or not increase surplus.

of course no one knows what it means to maximize service unless competition tells you through the profits generated. The USSR and Red China failed because they were liberals like you who imagined they knew what was needed better than millions of consumers voting every day for what they need with their own hard earned money!

Before capitalism maximized service in Red China 50 million slowly starved to death, when they switched to capitalism 20 million immediately could afford cars!! See what we mean about a low IQ? No other conclusion is possible. Sorry

You seem to be equating nonprofit organizations with socialism. Because the goal of a business is not build profits does not mean it's socialistic.

 

[saveliberty]

Most governments and government agencies are not considered NPOs.

Yes, you are correct charitable nonprofits will typical spend what of what they collect so they do not build up a surplus. Actually Red Cross does build a surplus for emergencies. Most nonprofit hospitals do build surpluses that are used for expansion and improving service.

...and since medical advancements are continuous and frequent, the pressure to generate a surplus is equal to a profit company's need for profit/capital.

 

[Bfgrn]

The purpose of the nonprofit is to maximize service and minimize cost which may or not increase surplus.

of course no one knows what it means to maximize service unless competition tells you through the profits generated. The USSR and Red China failed because they were liberals like you who imagined they knew what was needed better than millions of consumers voting every day for what they need with their own hard earned money!

Before capitalism maximized service in Red China 50 million slowly starved to death, when they switched to capitalism 20 million immediately could afford cars!! See what we mean about a low IQ? No other conclusion is possible. Sorry

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

What Mao Zedong said about liberalism

"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency."
Combat Liberalism - Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung

 

[Flopper]

Most governments and government agencies are not considered NPOs.

Yes, you are correct charitable nonprofits will typical spend what of what they collect so they do not build up a surplus. Actually Red Cross does build a surplus for emergencies. Most nonprofit hospitals do build surpluses that are used for expansion and improving service.

...and since medical advancements are continuous and frequent, the pressure to generate a surplus is equal to a profit company's need for profit/capital.

All hospitals, nonprofit or for-profit are under pressure to raise the financial resources to meet the needs of patients, however a for-profit is under additional pressure of producing a profit for it's owners.