Why GWB will be one of the greatest Presidents in MY LIFETIME...

[G.T.]

He forgot 2009. He is being dishonest in doing so, that is a fact.

Obama was President-Elect after election in November 2008 were you aware of that?
He then became President on 1/20/2009...
So how can I be dishonest?? Explain???

Prs. Bush signed the budget that ended Oct. 2009 genius.

The Pres elect dos not have his hand in the budget signed in Oct 2008, before he's even ELECTED.

You are dishonest.

2009 until Oct 1's budget debt / deficit / unemployment should be calculated within your numbers, and they make them much much worse, so you're an abject liar and leave them out.

 

[Faun]

It depends entirely on who is writing the history books.

Had the Germans won WWII, I suspect that history would be taking a different view of FDR's legacy than we currently do.

Had the Soviets won the Cold War, I suspect that modern history books would have a different view on JFK than we do.

You see, the winner is ALWAYS right. Always, always, always.

Always.

The winners write the history books. The winners are always right.

What?? Had history been different, history books would have been different??

What a shocker!!

 

[Edgetho]

AND NOT ONE of the above trolls DISPROVED these events HAPPENED!!!

1) The recession DOES NOT START the day the NBER states: determined that a peak in business activity occurred in the U.S. economy in March 2001
BUT obviously YOU think oil tankers turn in 100 feet... naively you think the economy one day had increase NEXT day stops goes down!
It takes months for a declining economy to reach the point to stop Peak business activity! The economy growth rate declined for several months during
Clinton...

NOTE this chart..Early 2000s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

View attachment 28692
THE FACT is GDP Growth Rate declined... again it takes time for a recession to start!

1) NOT ONE of you trolls mentioned the bogus phony dot.com BUBBLE STARTED under Clinton and BURST under it's phoniness :
As the Dot Com bubble occurred in the mid and late 1990s, assorted predictions that eventually the bubble would burst emerged frequently. Because of the October 27, 1997 mini-crash in the wake of the Asian crisis, the predictions about a future burst increased, causing an uncertain climate on economy during the first months of 1998, while the Federal Reserve raised interest rates six times between June 1999 and May 2000 in an effort to cool the economy to a soft landing. The actual burst of the stock market bubble occurred in the form of the NASDAQ crash in March 2000. Growth in gross domestic product slowed considerably in the third quarter of 2000 to the lowest rate since a contraction in the first quarter of 1991.[3]
The Labor Department estimates that a net 1.761 million jobs were shed in 2001, with an additional net 545,000 lost during 2002. 2003 saw a small gain of a mere 62,000 jobs. Unemployment rose from 4.2% in February 2001 to 5.5% in November 2001, but did not peak until June 2003 at 6.3%, after which it declined to 5% by mid-2005.
DID THAT NOT HAPPEN???

2) NOT one of you trolls disproved 9/11 occurred... NOT ONE Mention!
The Cost of September 11
Counting the value of lives lost as well as property damage and lost production of goods and services, losses already exceed $100 billion.
Including the loss in stock market wealth -- the market's own estimate arising from expectations of lower corporate profits and higher discount rates for economic volatility -- the price tag approaches $2 trillion.

Among the big-ticket items:
The loss of four civilian aircraft valued at $385 million.
The destruction of major buildings in the World Trade Center with a replacement cost of from $3 billion to $4.5 billion.
Damage to a portion of the Pentagon: up to $1 billion.
Cleanup costs: $1.3 billion.
Property and infrastructure damage: $10 billion to $13 billion.
Federal emergency funds (heightened airport security, sky marshals, government takeover of airport security, retrofitting aircraft with anti-terrorist devices, cost of operations in Afghanistan): $40 billion.
Direct job losses amounted to 83,000, with $17 billion in lost wages.
The amount of damaged or unrecoverable property hit $21.8 billion.
Losses to the city of New York (lost jobs, lost taxes, damage to infrastructure, cleaning): $95 billion.
Losses to the insurance industry: $40 billion.
Loss of air traffic revenue: $10 billion.

NOW you f...king idiots DID THOSE LOSSES OCCUR? WHERE WERE YOU idiots!!!

3) WORST HURRICANE SEASONS!! Idiots you never mentioned THAT! NOT one mention of the costs of these hurricanes or loss of life!
Of course YOU idiots BLAME Bush for nature... YeT you idiots think Obama is a God!!!

COLOR="Blue"]I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God." [/COLOR]
Evan Thomas on Hardball, Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters

List of costliest Atlantic hurricanes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
7 of the top ten hurricanes happened under GWB!
A Loss of $252 billion under GWB...

1. Katrina $125.00 1,833 2005 Category*5 Bush
2. Sandy $68.00 286 2012 Category*3 Obama
3. Ike $37.50 195 2008 Category*4 GWB
4. Wilma $29.30 23 2005 Category*5 GWB
5. Andrew $26.50 65 1992 Category*5 Clinton
6. Ivan $23.30 124 2004 Category*5 GWB
7. Irene $16.60 56 2011 Category*3 Obama
8. Charley $15.10 40 2004 Category*4 Bush
9. Rita $12.00 62 2005 Category*5 Bush
10. Frances $9.85 49 2004 Category*4 Bush

DID those events occur? WERE they the FAULT of BUSH???

Recession started when the decline in GDP growth started in 2000!
Dot.com bust as the above show STARTED in Clinton's presidency AND BUSH had to clean it up!

NOW as far as jobs???

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt

Not my words THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF LABOR!!!!

At the total people
end of working
2000...... 131,785,000 2,792,000 dot.com and recession starting!!!
2001...... 131,826,000 41,000 dot com Recession that started 3/01 ended 11/11 /9/11
2002...... 130,341,000 -1,485,000 effect off 9/11
2003...... 129,999,000 -342,000
2004...... 131,435,000 1,436,000
2005...... 133,703,000 2,268,000
2006...... 136,086,000 2,383,000
2007...... 137,598,000 1,512,000
2008...... 136,790,000 -808,000 Sep 18,2008 $500 billion withdrew almost collapsing world economies!
5 million net more people working then at the end of 2000.

So Starting with 131,785,000 and ending with 136,790,000 what is the difference????? 5,005,000 more people then in 2000

don't expect any more dem lib posters on this thread. They are incapable of dealing with facts.

I've been doing this since 1998. Seen it all. Let me tell you.......

They're just stupid. As soon as you get them away from their dimocrap party-supplied talking points, they run out of ideas.

Except for one -- Lie.

They do that without blinking an eye. Dogs barks, cats meow, babies cry, pigs oink.......

dimocraps lie.

Once in a great while, an honest democrat will come along..... And with an actual IQ.

Someone you can have an honest debate with, someone with whom you can have a good give-and-take...

But without fail, every single time, they become so embarrassed by the lying scumbags infesting their own side, they just walk away.

What you have on EVERY Message Board on the 'net is the lowest common denominator dimocrap. The lowest of the low, the dumbest of the dumb, the lyingest of liars, the super-lemmings, the party faithful Goose-Stepping to whatever the party tells them to Goose Step to.

In here, there are at LEAST 15 Conservatives that are more than willing, and capable, of engaging in fair debate. At least.

dimocraps? Forget it. They lie. It's all they do.

It's all they know how to do. And it's hurting the Country. It's dividing the Country.

Used to be we could talk to them, but not anymore.

I wonder when we'll become like so many other Countries where the different view points hate each other so much, that we take to the streets and start harming each other.

Not long, IMO. Not long.

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth.

 

[G.T.]

^ insecure.

 

[Faun]

He forgot 2009. He is being dishonest in doing so, that is a fact.

Obama was President-Elect after election in November 2008 were you aware of that?
He then became President on 1/20/2009...
So how can I be dishonest?? Explain???

It doesn't matter when Obama was elected or when he started -- it was still Bush, and not Obama, who signed a continuing budget resolution in September, 2008, to keep the government running for the following 6 months.

 

[Edgetho]

He forgot 2009. He is being dishonest in doing so, that is a fact.

Obama was President-Elect after election in November 2008 were you aware of that?
He then became President on 1/20/2009...
So how can I be dishonest?? Explain???

It doesn't matter when Obama was elected or when he started -- it was still Bush, and not Obama, who signed a continuing budget resolution in September, 2008, to keep the government running for the following 6 months.

Quibbling little bitch. The money was SPENT under obama.

Budgets get changed and ignored ALL the time. ALL the fucking time.

Did Bush approve the porkulus package?

No, but he approved the TARP. And guess what, quibbling little bitch.... ALL of that has been paid back -- WITH INTEREST. And guess who was the beneficiary of that money? the STUTTERING CLUSTERFUCK OF A LYING PIECE OF SHIT!!

The TARP money was spent under Bush and paid back under obama!

How much of the scumbag-in-chief's theft of our money under the porkulus has been paid back? Try NONE.

How much did we get back from Solyndra?

How much did we get back from the BILLIONS he gave States to pay off their stupid pensions?

How much.... Fuck you.

Bitch.

Can't talk to liberal scumbags.

 

[G.T.]

Obama was President-Elect after election in November 2008 were you aware of that?
He then became President on 1/20/2009...
So how can I be dishonest?? Explain???

It doesn't matter when Obama was elected or when he started -- it was still Bush, and not Obama, who signed a continuing budget resolution in September, 2008, to keep the government running for the following 6 months.

Quibbling little bitch. The money was SPENT under obama.

Budgets get changed and ignored ALL the time. ALL the fucking time.

Did Bush approve the porkulus package?

No, but he approved the TARP. And guess what, quibbling little bitch.... ALL of that has been paid back -- WITH INTEREST. And guess who was the beneficiary of that money? the STUTTERING CLUSTERFUCK OF A LYING PIECE OF SHIT!!

The TARP money was spent under Bush and paid back under obama!

How much of the scumbag-in-chief's theft of our money under the porkulus has been paid back? Try NONE.

How much did we get back from Solyndra?

How much did we get back from the BILLIONS he gave States to pay off their stupid pensions?

How much.... Fuck you.

Bitch.

Can't talk to liberal scumbags.

most of the stimulus was tax cuts, you want that paid back then give your tax cuts back so they can be used to pay down the debt dumbfuck

 

[Harry Dresden]

You dumbass! the Iraq war was caused by Clinton's ineptness as CIC! The housing bubble and tech bubbles burst because of Clinton's incompetence.

The Republicans in the late 90s contributed partially to our economic woes as they went along with democrat spending.

Any one else you want to blame for the mess we are in? Maybe you could go WAY WAY back to find some Democrat to blame for some thing you didn't like.

In your case, I blame the Republican school teacher you evidently had who wouldn't teach you to accept responsibility for your (or your parties) actions. Or was it your Republican parents who told you to never ever accept responsibility for something that you did wrong.

They did a great fucking job. You wouldn't know "responsibility" if it bit you in the ass birddog.

But I swear to you dog, it was Bush who sold the war in Iraq on television. Not Clinton. To bad you had your head buried so far up your ass that you missed it.

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth.

ALL of them.

Period.

im sure there are those who think your side is the scum of the earth too....but then people in this Country with your mindset is the reason this Country is so divided.....its what you people on the far right and left want....division...period.....

 

[Faun]

AND NOT ONE of the above trolls DISPROVED these events HAPPENED!!!

1) The recession DOES NOT START the day the NBER states: determined that a peak in business activity occurred in the U.S. economy in March 2001
BUT obviously YOU think oil tankers turn in 100 feet... naively you think the economy one day had increase NEXT day stops goes down!
It takes months for a declining economy to reach the point to stop Peak business activity! The economy growth rate declined for several months during
Clinton...

NOTE this chart..Early 2000s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

View attachment 28692
THE FACT is GDP Growth Rate declined... again it takes time for a recession to start!

1) NOT ONE of you trolls mentioned the bogus phony dot.com BUBBLE STARTED under Clinton and BURST under it's phoniness :
As the Dot Com bubble occurred in the mid and late 1990s, assorted predictions that eventually the bubble would burst emerged frequently. Because of the October 27, 1997 mini-crash in the wake of the Asian crisis, the predictions about a future burst increased, causing an uncertain climate on economy during the first months of 1998, while the Federal Reserve raised interest rates six times between June 1999 and May 2000 in an effort to cool the economy to a soft landing. The actual burst of the stock market bubble occurred in the form of the NASDAQ crash in March 2000. Growth in gross domestic product slowed considerably in the third quarter of 2000 to the lowest rate since a contraction in the first quarter of 1991.[3]
The Labor Department estimates that a net 1.761 million jobs were shed in 2001, with an additional net 545,000 lost during 2002. 2003 saw a small gain of a mere 62,000 jobs. Unemployment rose from 4.2% in February 2001 to 5.5% in November 2001, but did not peak until June 2003 at 6.3%, after which it declined to 5% by mid-2005.
DID THAT NOT HAPPEN???

2) NOT one of you trolls disproved 9/11 occurred... NOT ONE Mention!
The Cost of September 11
Counting the value of lives lost as well as property damage and lost production of goods and services, losses already exceed $100 billion.
Including the loss in stock market wealth -- the market's own estimate arising from expectations of lower corporate profits and higher discount rates for economic volatility -- the price tag approaches $2 trillion.

Among the big-ticket items:
The loss of four civilian aircraft valued at $385 million.
The destruction of major buildings in the World Trade Center with a replacement cost of from $3 billion to $4.5 billion.
Damage to a portion of the Pentagon: up to $1 billion.
Cleanup costs: $1.3 billion.
Property and infrastructure damage: $10 billion to $13 billion.
Federal emergency funds (heightened airport security, sky marshals, government takeover of airport security, retrofitting aircraft with anti-terrorist devices, cost of operations in Afghanistan): $40 billion.
Direct job losses amounted to 83,000, with $17 billion in lost wages.
The amount of damaged or unrecoverable property hit $21.8 billion.
Losses to the city of New York (lost jobs, lost taxes, damage to infrastructure, cleaning): $95 billion.
Losses to the insurance industry: $40 billion.
Loss of air traffic revenue: $10 billion.

NOW you f...king idiots DID THOSE LOSSES OCCUR? WHERE WERE YOU idiots!!!

3) WORST HURRICANE SEASONS!! Idiots you never mentioned THAT! NOT one mention of the costs of these hurricanes or loss of life!
Of course YOU idiots BLAME Bush for nature... YeT you idiots think Obama is a God!!!

COLOR="Blue"]I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God." [/COLOR]
Evan Thomas on Hardball, Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters

List of costliest Atlantic hurricanes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
7 of the top ten hurricanes happened under GWB!
A Loss of $252 billion under GWB...

1. Katrina $125.00 1,833 2005 Category*5 Bush
2. Sandy $68.00 286 2012 Category*3 Obama
3. Ike $37.50 195 2008 Category*4 GWB
4. Wilma $29.30 23 2005 Category*5 GWB
5. Andrew $26.50 65 1992 Category*5 Clinton
6. Ivan $23.30 124 2004 Category*5 GWB
7. Irene $16.60 56 2011 Category*3 Obama
8. Charley $15.10 40 2004 Category*4 Bush
9. Rita $12.00 62 2005 Category*5 Bush
10. Frances $9.85 49 2004 Category*4 Bush

DID those events occur? WERE they the FAULT of BUSH???

Recession started when the decline in GDP growth started in 2000!
Dot.com bust as the above show STARTED in Clinton's presidency AND BUSH had to clean it up!

NOW as far as jobs???

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt

Not my words THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF LABOR!!!!

At the total people
end of working
2000...... 131,785,000 2,792,000 dot.com and recession starting!!!
2001...... 131,826,000 41,000 dot com Recession that started 3/01 ended 11/11 /9/11
2002...... 130,341,000 -1,485,000 effect off 9/11
2003...... 129,999,000 -342,000
2004...... 131,435,000 1,436,000
2005...... 133,703,000 2,268,000
2006...... 136,086,000 2,383,000
2007...... 137,598,000 1,512,000
2008...... 136,790,000 -808,000 Sep 18,2008 $500 billion withdrew almost collapsing world economies!
5 million net more people working then at the end of 2000.

So Starting with 131,785,000 and ending with 136,790,000 what is the difference????? 5,005,000 more people then in 2000

don't expect any more dem lib posters on this thread. They are incapable of dealing with facts.

I've been doing this since 1998. Seen it all. Let me tell you.......

They're just stupid. As soon as you get them away from their dimocrap party-supplied talking points, they run out of ideas.

Except for one -- Lie.

They do that without blinking an eye. Dogs barks, cats meow, babies cry, pigs oink.......

dimocraps lie.

Once in a great while, an honest democrat will come along..... And with an actual IQ.

Someone you can have an honest debate with, someone with whom you can have a good give-and-take...

But without fail, every single time, they become so embarrassed by the lying scumbags infesting their own side, they just walk away.

What you have on EVERY Message Board on the 'net is the lowest common denominator dimocrap. The lowest of the low, the dumbest of the dumb, the lyingest of liars, the super-lemmings, the party faithful Goose-Stepping to whatever the party tells them to Goose Step to.

In here, there are at LEAST 15 Conservatives that are more than willing, and capable, of engaging in fair debate. At least.

dimocraps? Forget it. They lie. It's all they do.

It's all they know how to do. And it's hurting the Country. It's dividing the Country.

Used to be we could talk to them, but not anymore.

I wonder when we'll become like so many other Countries where the different view points hate each other so much, that we take to the streets and start harming each other.

Not long, IMO. Not long.

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth.

The funny part of your post is that I pointed out many of the incorrect claims in his diatribe and yet my post remains unchallenged.

Here's but one shining example ...

When Bush started 131,785,000 people employed.
At the end of 2008 136,790,000 people employed or

5,000,000 more employed then when he took office.

First of all, the employment numbers he offers are not factual. Here are the actual numbers reported by the BLS.

1/2001: 132,548,000
1/2009: 133,631,000

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

So his claim that 5 million more people had jobs while Bush was president is complete bullshit. The real number was 1.1 million

Even worse for his claims is comparing Bush to all of the other presidents during his lifetime using the same set of data he referenced. With the actual numbers, of course, not his made up bullshit numbers...

01/1953: 50,145,000
01/1961: 53,683,000
11/1963: 57,255,000
01/1969: 69,438,000
08/1974: 78,619,000
01/1977: 80,692,000
01/1981: 91,031,000
01/1989: 107,133,000
01/1993: 109,750,000
01/2001: 132,548,000
01/2009: 133,631,000
11/2013: 136,765,000

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

And those numbers do not factor in the growth of the U.S. population. Now if you sort those out by employment growth, we see ...

President ............. total
Clinton ........ 22,798,000
Reagan ....... 16,102,000
Johnson ...... 12,183,000
Carter ........ 10,339,000
Nixon ........... 9,181,000
Kennedy ....... 3,572,000
Eisenhower ... 3,538,000
Obama ......... 3,134,000
Bush41 ......... 2,617,000
Ford ..............2,073,000
Bush43 ....... 1,083,000

In reality, Bush finishes dead last in job growth according to nonfarm payroll data ... dead last. It's not even close. Makes you realize why healthmyths lied and claimed Bush added 5 million when it was actually 1 million.

Hell, even Jimmy Carter, who most would agree sucked big time, added 10 times Bush and in half the time!

Bush was far worse than even Jimmy Carter!

Leading us to the only possible logical conclusion that healthmyths admiration of Bush as one of the greatest presidents during is lifetime is a perception not founded in reality, but created from whole cloth based on lies, deception, and delusions.

 

[healthmyths]

He forgot 2009. He is being dishonest in doing so, that is a fact.

Obama was President-Elect after election in November 2008 were you aware of that?
He then became President on 1/20/2009...
So how can I be dishonest?? Explain???

Prs. Bush signed the budget that ended Oct. 2009 genius.

The Pres elect dos not have his hand in the budget signed in Oct 2008, before he's even ELECTED.

You are dishonest.

2009 until Oct 1's budget debt / deficit / unemployment should be calculated within your numbers, and they make them much much worse, so you're an abject liar and leave them out.

LIAR???

"Obama is partly right in claiming that he inherited a mess (though Obama actually deserves a small share of the blame for Bush’s last deficit since earlier this year he pushed through both an “omnibus”
spending bill and the so-called stimulus bill that increased FY2009 spending).
Don't Blame Obama for Bush's 2009 Deficit | Cato @ Liberty

AND YOU are even more of a f...king idiot!
Did you know what happened on 9/18/08 when an economic terrorist attack OCCURRED???
The near economic collapse on Thursday (Sept 18,2008), at 11am the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the U.S., to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help and pumped a $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there. If they had not done that, their estimation is that by 2pm that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the U.S., would have collapsed the entire economy of the U.S., and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed.
It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.

Zero Hedge: How The World Almost Came To An End At 2PM On September 18

THAT was what caused the deficit jumped from about $450 billion in 2008 to $1.4 trillion in 2009.
If Obama had not voted for the bill that bailed out the BANKS... the world economy would have collapsed!

But of course ALL YOU idiots knew was what the MSM pumped out!!

 

[Faun]

Obama was President-Elect after election in November 2008 were you aware of that?
He then became President on 1/20/2009...
So how can I be dishonest?? Explain???

It doesn't matter when Obama was elected or when he started -- it was still Bush, and not Obama, who signed a continuing budget resolution in September, 2008, to keep the government running for the following 6 months.

Quibbling little bitch. The money was SPENT under obama.

Budgets get changed and ignored ALL the time. ALL the fucking time.

Did Bush approve the porkulus package?

No, but he approved the TARP. And guess what, quibbling little bitch.... ALL of that has been paid back -- WITH INTEREST. And guess who was the beneficiary of that money? the STUTTERING CLUSTERFUCK OF A LYING PIECE OF SHIT!!

The TARP money was spent under Bush and paid back under obama!

How much of the scumbag-in-chief's theft of our money under the porkulus has been paid back? Try NONE.

How much did we get back from Solyndra?

How much did we get back from the BILLIONS he gave States to pay off their stupid pensions?

How much.... Fuck you.

Bitch.

Can't talk to liberal scumbags.

Fuck you too, you rightard queer. The money was budgeted before Obama became president and the money was spent based on Bush's continuing budget resolution, not on any of Obama's policies. And because you are too stupid to comprehend, I will gladly explain it to you ... The Congress controls the spending, not the president. So Obama could not unilaterally override the CR Bush signed into law. If you want to blame the Democrat-led Congress for that spending, go ahead ... they passed the CR for Bush to sign. If you want to blame Bush for signing it, go ahead, he signed it into law. But only a knuckle-dragging buffoon thinks Obama had anything to do with the spending which was caused by Bush's continuing budget resolution.

 

[Faun]

Obama was President-Elect after election in November 2008 were you aware of that?
He then became President on 1/20/2009...
So how can I be dishonest?? Explain???

Prs. Bush signed the budget that ended Oct. 2009 genius.

The Pres elect dos not have his hand in the budget signed in Oct 2008, before he's even ELECTED.

You are dishonest.

2009 until Oct 1's budget debt / deficit / unemployment should be calculated within your numbers, and they make them much much worse, so you're an abject liar and leave them out.

LIAR???

"Obama is partly right in claiming that he inherited a mess (though Obama actually deserves a small share of the blame for Bush’s last deficit since earlier this year he pushed through both an “omnibus”
spending bill and the so-called stimulus bill that increased FY2009 spending).
Don't Blame Obama for Bush's 2009 Deficit | Cato @ Liberty

AND YOU are even more of a f...king idiot!
Did you know what happened on 9/18/08 when an economic terrorist attack OCCURRED???
The near economic collapse on Thursday (Sept 18,2008), at 11am the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the U.S., to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help and pumped a $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there. If they had not done that, their estimation is that by 2pm that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the U.S., would have collapsed the entire economy of the U.S., and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed.
It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.

Zero Hedge: How The World Almost Came To An End At 2PM On September 18

THAT was what caused the deficit jumped from about $450 billion in 2008 to $1.4 trillion in 2009.
If Obama had not voted for the bill that bailed out the BANKS... the world economy would have collapsed!

But of course ALL YOU idiots knew was what the MSM pumped out!!

Are you on drugs?? Do you realize that the $550 billion you say was spent on 9/18/2008 to keep the economy from completely tanking would have been applied to FY2008, not FY2009; which didn't begin until 10/1/2009? Meaning that $550b bump you attribute to FY2009 actually would have occurred in FY2008.

Not to mention, the total deficit for FY2008 was over a trillion dollars, not $450b.

 

[Edgetho]

It doesn't matter when Obama was elected or when he started -- it was still Bush, and not Obama, who signed a continuing budget resolution in September, 2008, to keep the government running for the following 6 months.

Quibbling little bitch. The money was SPENT under obama.

Budgets get changed and ignored ALL the time. ALL the fucking time.

Did Bush approve the porkulus package?

No, but he approved the TARP. And guess what, quibbling little bitch.... ALL of that has been paid back -- WITH INTEREST. And guess who was the beneficiary of that money? the STUTTERING CLUSTERFUCK OF A LYING PIECE OF SHIT!!

The TARP money was spent under Bush and paid back under obama!

How much of the scumbag-in-chief's theft of our money under the porkulus has been paid back? Try NONE.

How much did we get back from Solyndra?

How much did we get back from the BILLIONS he gave States to pay off their stupid pensions?

How much.... Fuck you.

Bitch.

Can't talk to liberal scumbags.

Fuck you too, you rightard queer. The money was budgeted before Obama became president and the money was spent based on Bush's continuing budget resolution, not on any of Obama's policies. And because you are too stupid to comprehend, I will gladly explain it to you ... The Congress controls the spending, not the president. So Obama could not unilaterally override the CR Bush signed into law. If you want to blame the Democrat-led Congress for that spending, go ahead ... they passed the CR for Bush to sign. If you want to blame Bush for signing it, go ahead, he signed it into law. But only a knuckle-dragging buffoon thinks Obama had anything to do with the spending which was caused by Bush's continuing budget resolution.

You
Stupid
Motherfucker

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) (Pub.L. 111–5), commonly referred to as the Stimulus or The Recovery Act, was an economic stimulus package enacted by the 111th United States Congress in February 2009 and signed into law on February 17, 2009, by the scumbag-in-chief, obama.

The approximate cost of the economic stimulus package was estimated to be $787 billion at the time of passage, later revised to $831 billion

The House of Representatives introduced the bill first and approved it with a vote of 244-188, with no Republicans voting for the bill....The House approved the final bill with a vote of 246-183 in the House of Representatives with 246 Democrats voting for the bill and all 176 Republicans and 7 Democrats voting against .

Do you see President Of The United States Of America, George Walker Bush mentioned anywhere in that paragraph?

Stupid little bitch.

Make me a sandwich and shut up

 

[Contumacious]

Why GWB will be one of the greatest Presidents in MY LIFETIME...

Let me guess......hummmmm....

1- You ARE GWB

2- You are RELATED to GWB

3- You are a ZIONIST

4- You work for Halliburton, KBR, or some other war profiteer

5- You are SEXUALLY aroused at the sight of spilt blood

6- You are RETARDED

Am I close?

.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

When I first became aware of "presidents" was Eisenhower.
With the Presidents that followed only two will be to me the "greatest" Presidents.
NOW dealing strictly WITH HISTORICAL FACTS!!!

Faced with:
The misery index was initiated by economist Arthur Okun, an adviser to President Lyndon Johnson in the 1960's.

It is simply the unemployment rate added to the inflation rate.

The misery index under President Jimmy Carter averaged 16.26, with a high of 20.76 in 1980.
At one time under Carter,

Then President Ronald Reagan took over the index was 17.97, his highest.
If any president had an excuse to blame the previous administration, Reagan did.
Instead the misery index declined to 9.57 at the end of 1988.... a 9.61 points reduction or 53% reduction!!!

So looking at the inflation rate for the highest in history:
1980 annual inflation rate was 13.58% with March 1980 it reach 14.76% .

So the unemployment rate was in 1982 9.71% BUT using the Obama standard blame the previous President Carter...

From the highest it declined under Reagan to in 1988 5.49% again a nearly 43% drop in unemployment.

So At this point The greatest President was Reagan! Dropped inflation by 50% and unemployment dropped by 40%!
Two simplest measures of "greatness" in the Presidents in my life time.


BUT in my lifetime NO president had these 4 monumental cataclysmic events and historians will verify these FACTS as idiots seem to forget
what happened from 2001 to 2008!

Then we have G.W.Bush..
His unemployment rates:
2001 4.74
2002 5.78
2003 5.99
2004 5.54
2005 5.08
2006 4.61
2007 4.62
2008 5.80
...............

I thought Bill O'Reilly had the lock on bloviating. But just taking this little snippet from your ridiculous rant..... The economy was riding off the artificial housing boom that Wall Street created with NINJA loans. Bush let them run wild. And then after the crash your hero said:


(Note the comment about "turning off your cameras". Tsk, tsk....Thank god somebody didn't listen to this asshole and believed Americans needed to know the truth.)


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT29fq0slGc]Wall Street Got Drunk - YouTube[/ame]


Now really, I don't have time to blow your other comments sky high out of the water.

 

[G.T.]

@ the obfuscation this lying liar attempts.

 

[G.T.]

Bush is great thread..pipeline barrels math thread.....uninsured math thread

Hes done them each like thirty times

Dude is one sick pup forreal. Or its dimensia.

qft.

 

[healthmyths]

don't expect any more dem lib posters on this thread. They are incapable of dealing with facts.

I've been doing this since 1998. Seen it all. Let me tell you.......

They're just stupid. As soon as you get them away from their dimocrap party-supplied talking points, they run out of ideas.

Except for one -- Lie.

They do that without blinking an eye. Dogs barks, cats meow, babies cry, pigs oink.......

dimocraps lie.

Once in a great while, an honest democrat will come along..... And with an actual IQ.

Someone you can have an honest debate with, someone with whom you can have a good give-and-take...

But without fail, every single time, they become so embarrassed by the lying scumbags infesting their own side, they just walk away.

What you have on EVERY Message Board on the 'net is the lowest common denominator dimocrap. The lowest of the low, the dumbest of the dumb, the lyingest of liars, the super-lemmings, the party faithful Goose-Stepping to whatever the party tells them to Goose Step to.

In here, there are at LEAST 15 Conservatives that are more than willing, and capable, of engaging in fair debate. At least.

dimocraps? Forget it. They lie. It's all they do.

It's all they know how to do. And it's hurting the Country. It's dividing the Country.

Used to be we could talk to them, but not anymore.

I wonder when we'll become like so many other Countries where the different view points hate each other so much, that we take to the streets and start harming each other.

Not long, IMO. Not long.

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth.

The funny part of your post is that I pointed out many of the incorrect claims in his diatribe and yet my post remains unchallenged.

Here's but one shining example ...

When Bush started 131,785,000 people employed.
At the end of 2008 136,790,000 people employed or

5,000,000 more employed then when he took office.

First of all, the employment numbers he offers are not factual. Here are the actual numbers reported by the BLS.

1/2001: 132,548,000
1/2009: 133,631,000

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

So his claim that 5 million more people had jobs while Bush was president is complete bullshit. The real number was 1.1 million

Even worse for his claims is comparing Bush to all of the other presidents during his lifetime using the same set of data he referenced. With the actual numbers, of course, not his made up bullshit numbers...

01/1953: 50,145,000
01/1961: 53,683,000
11/1963: 57,255,000
01/1969: 69,438,000
08/1974: 78,619,000
01/1977: 80,692,000
01/1981: 91,031,000
01/1989: 107,133,000
01/1993: 109,750,000
01/2001: 132,548,000
01/2009: 133,631,000
11/2013: 136,765,000

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

And those numbers do not factor in the growth of the U.S. population. Now if you sort those out by employment growth, we see ...

President ............. total
Clinton ........ 22,798,000
Reagan ....... 16,102,000
Johnson ...... 12,183,000
Carter ........ 10,339,000
Nixon ........... 9,181,000
Kennedy ....... 3,572,000
Eisenhower ... 3,538,000
Obama ......... 3,134,000
Bush41 ......... 2,617,000
Ford ..............2,073,000
Bush43 ....... 1,083,000

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

In reality, Bush finishes dead last in job growth according to nonfarm payroll data ... dead last. It's not even close. Makes you realize why healthmyths lied and claimed Bush added 5 million when it was actually 1 million.

Hell, even Jimmy Carter, who most would agree sucked big time, added 10 times Bush and in half the time!

Bush was far worse than even Jimmy Carter!

Leading us to the only possible logical conclusion that healthmyths admiration of Bush as one of the greatest presidents during is lifetime is a perception not founded in reality, but created from whole cloth based on lies, deception, and delusions.

I am first and foremost a FACT MONGER... meaning I deal in FACTS !
REFUTE THESE EVENTS never happened OK? YOU can't so NONE of your comments bear any of these events in consideration!
Did these events happen?? EVENTS NONE of the above Presidents ever faced!!

1) Recession that started under Clinton ended 11/01.
Specifically, 50.8 million jobs were lost through the first six quarters of the ‘01 recession .
Heritage Employment Report: February Continues Winter Blues
The 2001 recession officially started 03/2001... BUT the steps leading up to it started under Clinton!

DID THIS HAPPEN??
1) Dot.com bust cost $5 trillion in lost market value..
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies.
More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

DID THIS HAPPEN??
2) Hard to believe but people forget that 9/11 occurred!
It cost $2 trillion in lost businesses,market values assets.
Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York!!
Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone.

Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade

3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina,made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.
Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

Largest Gross Domestic Product in history!!
When Bush took office in 2001 GDP was $12.355,271,000,000
when Bush left office in 2008 GDP was $14,359,490,000,000
A 16% increase in GDP or $2 TRILLION.

Bush growth of the GDP was greater then Clinton in 2005 GDP grew at 6.5% Clinton's best:6.4%
Measuring Worth - GDP result.


from Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
Year employed increase/decrease %
2001 132548 31.91666667 0.0%
2002 130680 -1473.166667 -1.1%
2003 130380 -352.0833333 -0.3%
2004 130512 1395.916667 1.1%
2005 132502 2245.333333 1.7%
2006 135130 2391.166667 1.8%
2007 137161 1512.666667 1.1%
2008 138056 -793 -0.6%
2009 133631 -5989.666667 -4.4%
2010 129360 -948.0833333 -0.7%
2011 130464 1588.75 1.2%
2012 132809 2237.333333 1.7%

So starting in 2001 132,548,000 people were working.
At the end of 2008 138,056,000 people working..
GAIN: 5,508,000 people working.... !
FACT during that time there were
400,000 jobs lost due to worst hurricane SEASONS 7 of the top 10 hurricanes occurred during 2001 to 2008!
880,000 jobs in due to 9/11
300,000 jobs skilled technology workers were out of jobs due to dot.com bust...
1,580,000 jobs lost and in spite of that nearly 5,508,000 gained!

"Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job cuts in the 18 months before Sept. 11 tallied 1,642,988 positions lost. From Sept. 11 through the end of February, job losses totaled 2,523,217, an increase of 54%, or 880,988 jobs, Challenger said. The largest losses were in the transportation industry, where 226,674 jobs were eliminated, and the aerospace/defense sector, where 138,937 jobs were cut.
"There is no way to gauge to what degree the effect 9/11 and the war on terror had on the economy," Challenger said in a telephone interview today.
But he noted that since the attacks people have been flying less, which has reduced the number of face-to-face meetings, which he said are vital for creating new partnerships between companies, new ideas and new entrepreneurial opportunities.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million - Computerworld

 

[Faun]

Quibbling little bitch. The money was SPENT under obama.

Budgets get changed and ignored ALL the time. ALL the fucking time.

Did Bush approve the porkulus package?

No, but he approved the TARP. And guess what, quibbling little bitch.... ALL of that has been paid back -- WITH INTEREST. And guess who was the beneficiary of that money? the STUTTERING CLUSTERFUCK OF A LYING PIECE OF SHIT!!

The TARP money was spent under Bush and paid back under obama!

How much of the scumbag-in-chief's theft of our money under the porkulus has been paid back? Try NONE.

How much did we get back from Solyndra?

How much did we get back from the BILLIONS he gave States to pay off their stupid pensions?

How much.... Fuck you.

Bitch.

Can't talk to liberal scumbags.

Fuck you too, you rightard queer. The money was budgeted before Obama became president and the money was spent based on Bush's continuing budget resolution, not on any of Obama's policies. And because you are too stupid to comprehend, I will gladly explain it to you ... The Congress controls the spending, not the president. So Obama could not unilaterally override the CR Bush signed into law. If you want to blame the Democrat-led Congress for that spending, go ahead ... they passed the CR for Bush to sign. If you want to blame Bush for signing it, go ahead, he signed it into law. But only a knuckle-dragging buffoon thinks Obama had anything to do with the spending which was caused by Bush's continuing budget resolution.

You
Stupid
Motherfucker

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The approximate cost of the economic stimulus package was estimated to be $787 billion at the time of passage, later revised to $831 billion

The House of Representatives introduced the bill first and approved it with a vote of 244-188, with no Republicans voting for the bill....The House approved the final bill with a vote of 246-183 in the House of Representatives with 246 Democrats voting for the bill and all 176 Republicans and 7 Democrats voting against .

Do you see President Of The United States Of America, George Walker Bush mentioned anywhere in that paragraph?

Stupid little bitch.

Make me a sandwich and shut up

You are a complete fucking retard. I never attributed 100% of FY2009 spending to Bush. In fact, I have even said Bush continuing resolution for FY2009 wasn't even for the entire fiscal year. You must be high on jism.

As far as the ARRA, I never said Bush had anything to do with it. And secondly, the ARRA tapped into FY2009 for less than $200b of the $1.9 trillion deficit for FY2009.

 

[Faun]

I've been doing this since 1998. Seen it all. Let me tell you.......

They're just stupid. As soon as you get them away from their dimocrap party-supplied talking points, they run out of ideas.

Except for one -- Lie.

They do that without blinking an eye. Dogs barks, cats meow, babies cry, pigs oink.......

dimocraps lie.

Once in a great while, an honest democrat will come along..... And with an actual IQ.

Someone you can have an honest debate with, someone with whom you can have a good give-and-take...

But without fail, every single time, they become so embarrassed by the lying scumbags infesting their own side, they just walk away.

What you have on EVERY Message Board on the 'net is the lowest common denominator dimocrap. The lowest of the low, the dumbest of the dumb, the lyingest of liars, the super-lemmings, the party faithful Goose-Stepping to whatever the party tells them to Goose Step to.

In here, there are at LEAST 15 Conservatives that are more than willing, and capable, of engaging in fair debate. At least.

dimocraps? Forget it. They lie. It's all they do.

It's all they know how to do. And it's hurting the Country. It's dividing the Country.

Used to be we could talk to them, but not anymore.

I wonder when we'll become like so many other Countries where the different view points hate each other so much, that we take to the streets and start harming each other.

Not long, IMO. Not long.

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth.

The funny part of your post is that I pointed out many of the incorrect claims in his diatribe and yet my post remains unchallenged.

Here's but one shining example ...

When Bush started 131,785,000 people employed.
At the end of 2008 136,790,000 people employed or

5,000,000 more employed then when he took office.

First of all, the employment numbers he offers are not factual. Here are the actual numbers reported by the BLS.

1/2001: 132,548,000
1/2009: 133,631,000

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

So his claim that 5 million more people had jobs while Bush was president is complete bullshit. The real number was 1.1 million

Even worse for his claims is comparing Bush to all of the other presidents during his lifetime using the same set of data he referenced. With the actual numbers, of course, not his made up bullshit numbers...

01/1953: 50,145,000
01/1961: 53,683,000
11/1963: 57,255,000
01/1969: 69,438,000
08/1974: 78,619,000
01/1977: 80,692,000
01/1981: 91,031,000
01/1989: 107,133,000
01/1993: 109,750,000
01/2001: 132,548,000
01/2009: 133,631,000
11/2013: 136,765,000

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

And those numbers do not factor in the growth of the U.S. population. Now if you sort those out by employment growth, we see ...

President ............. total
Clinton ........ 22,798,000
Reagan ....... 16,102,000
Johnson ...... 12,183,000
Carter ........ 10,339,000
Nixon ........... 9,181,000
Kennedy ....... 3,572,000
Eisenhower ... 3,538,000
Obama ......... 3,134,000
Bush41 ......... 2,617,000
Ford ..............2,073,000
Bush43 ....... 1,083,000

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

In reality, Bush finishes dead last in job growth according to nonfarm payroll data ... dead last. It's not even close. Makes you realize why healthmyths lied and claimed Bush added 5 million when it was actually 1 million.

Hell, even Jimmy Carter, who most would agree sucked big time, added 10 times Bush and in half the time!

Bush was far worse than even Jimmy Carter!

Leading us to the only possible logical conclusion that healthmyths admiration of Bush as one of the greatest presidents during is lifetime is a perception not founded in reality, but created from whole cloth based on lies, deception, and delusions.

I am first and foremost a FACT MONGER... meaning I deal in FACTS !

Then deal with what I said ... the numbers you posted were NOT FACTUAL...

You said ...

When Bush started 131,785,000 people employed.
At the end of 2008 136,790,000 people employed or

5,000,000 more employed then when he took office.

I posted the FACTUAL numbers along with a link to the BLS.

I also went to the trouble of calculating job growth for each president and came up with ...

President ............. total
Clinton ........ 22,798,000
Reagan ....... 16,102,000
Johnson ...... 12,183,000
Carter ........ 10,339,000
Nixon ........... 9,181,000
Kennedy ....... 3,572,000
Eisenhower ... 3,538,000
Obama ......... 3,134,000
Bush41 ......... 2,617,000
Ford ..............2,073,000
Bush43 ....... 1,083,000

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Bush was dead last in employment growth despite your lie that 5 million jobs were added during his watch.

Deal with that ...

How do you determine the president with the worst job performance in your lifetime in terms of job growth ... is among the best???

Just how demented are you??