2009 is Bush's. Only a dishonest fan/fuck boy doesnt know that. And if youre attributing hurricanes/bubbles bursts etc. As having their effect on Bush, youre going to have to go ahead and offer tue same courtesy for Obama using the recession, dishonest scumbag.
Why GWB will be one of the greatest Presidents in MY LIFETIME...
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Redfish
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Ok, then 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013 are all on obama----agreed?
Redfish
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only in your small biased mind. but thats Ok, believe whatever fantasy pleases you.
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Do you have any idea how rightarded you look? Any idea at all? I really don't think you doHolyfuckingshit!
Those numbers are annual averages. Your stupidity knows no boundaries, does it? I gave you the month-to-month numbers without skewing them with averages....
Jan/2001: 132.5 million
Jan/2009: 133.6 million
From the month Bush started to the month Bush finished, there was a net gain of 1.1 million jobs added. The worst performance of any president during your lifetime. Trying to fluff his numbers up by averaging them out doesn't help you ... it only adds to how desperate you appear.
Tell me did the recession cost jobs?
Did the Dot.com cost jobs?
Did 9/11 cost jobs?
Did 7 hurricanes of the top ten in history cost jobs?
What the hell do you expect would have happened IN ANY other presidency??
BUT AGAIN look at this table...http://www.citizen.org/documents/Historical_employment_data.pdf
NO averages... NO guesses NO projections!!! this is the END of 2009....All Obama's!!!(p)... 130,912,000(preliminary)!!!
But the FACTS remain:
At the end of 2000 there were 131,785,000 fully employed...
At the end of 2008 there were 136,790,000 full employed and THAT is A FACT!
That means from end of 2000 to the end of 2008 there were 5,050,000 more employed!
Put out by The Bureau of Labor Statistics,(BEFORE the PROVEN LIAR Obama's administration!!)
Table B-1: http://www.citizen.org/documents/Historical_employment_data.pdf Retrieved 2/25/2010
ESTABLISHMENT DATA ESTABLISHMENT DATA HISTORICAL EMPLOYMENT HISTORICAL EMPLOYMENT
NO matter what your jury rigged totally untrustworthy BLS says now remember their boss has been called the BIGGEST LIAR for 2013!
So who should people believe???
I mean come on-- you have an administration that is lying all the time from the TOP down!
And you are defending that???
Lie of the Year:
'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it' http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ar-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
LIES that are now being broadly published and therefore anything put out by this administration including the Bureau of Labor Statistics is suspect!!!
You're [falsely] claiming there were 131.8 million jobs at the end of 2000. But the link you provided shows that was the average for all of 2000, not the year end total. You then [falsely] claim there were 136.8 million jobs at the end of 2008. But the link you provided shows that was the average for all of 2008, not the year end total.
But the best part ... did you look at YOUR OWN LINK for January, 2009, when Bush left office....133.5 million jobs. NOT the 136.8 million you're trying so desperately to fluff Bush with.
Your idiocy explains perfectly why you rank the president with the worst employment record in your lifetime, as one of the best.
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First of all, the premise that this even lies with POTUS is healthobsessivemyths' premise to begin with. This is his little juvenile game. And he blows at it. And is a partisan liar.
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HOw can this be a "FALSE claim"?Do you have any idea how rightarded you look? Any idea at all? I really don't think you doHolyfuckingshit!
Those numbers are annual averages. Your stupidity knows no boundaries, does it? I gave you the month-to-month numbers without skewing them with averages....
Jan/2001: 132.5 million
Jan/2009: 133.6 million
From the month Bush started to the month Bush finished, there was a net gain of 1.1 million jobs added. The worst performance of any president during your lifetime. Trying to fluff his numbers up by averaging them out doesn't help you ... it only adds to how desperate you appear.
Tell me did the recession cost jobs?
Did the Dot.com cost jobs?
Did 9/11 cost jobs?
Did 7 hurricanes of the top ten in history cost jobs?
What the hell do you expect would have happened IN ANY other presidency??
BUT AGAIN look at this table...http://www.citizen.org/documents/Historical_employment_data.pdf
NO averages... NO guesses NO projections!!! this is the END of 2009....All Obama's!!!(p)... 130,912,000(preliminary)!!!
But the FACTS remain:
At the end of 2000 there were 131,785,000 fully employed...
At the end of 2008 there were 136,790,000 full employed and THAT is A FACT!
That means from end of 2000 to the end of 2008 there were 5,050,000 more employed!
Put out by The Bureau of Labor Statistics,(BEFORE the PROVEN LIAR Obama's administration!!)
Table B-1: http://www.citizen.org/documents/Historical_employment_data.pdf Retrieved 2/25/2010
ESTABLISHMENT DATA ESTABLISHMENT DATA HISTORICAL EMPLOYMENT HISTORICAL EMPLOYMENT
NO matter what your jury rigged totally untrustworthy BLS says now remember their boss has been called the BIGGEST LIAR for 2013!
So who should people believe???
I mean come on-- you have an administration that is lying all the time from the TOP down!
And you are defending that???
Lie of the Year:
'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it' http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ar-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
LIES that are now being broadly published and therefore anything put out by this administration including the Bureau of Labor Statistics is suspect!!!
You're [falsely] claiming there were 131.8 million jobs at the end of 2000. But the link you provided shows that was the average for all of 2000, not the year end total. You then [falsely] claim there were 136.8 million jobs at the end of 2008. But the link you provided shows that was the average for all of 2008, not the year end total.
But the best part ... did you look at YOUR OWN LINK for January, 2009, when Bush left office....133.5 million jobs. NOT the 136.8 million you're trying so desperately to fluff Bush with.
Your idiocy explains perfectly why you rank the president with the worst employment record in your lifetime, as one of the best.
I'm not making the statement up!
This is from http://www.citizen.org/documents/Historical_employment_data.pdf
Which was downloaded BEFORE the Bureau of Labor Statistics has CHANGED the numbers.
But it is totally a FACT.
HISTORICAL EMPLOYMENT HISTORICAL EMPLOYMENT
B-1. Employees on nonfarm payrolls by major industry sector, 1960 to date (In thousands)
Doesn't say it is an average. It says at the end of
End of number employed:
2000...... 131,785,000
2001...... 131,826,000 41,000
2002...... 130,341,000 -1,485,000
2003...... 129,999,000 -342,000
2004...... 131,435,000 1,436,000
2005...... 133,703,000 2,268,000
2006...... 136,086,000 2,383,000
2007...... 137,598,000 1,512,000
2008...... 136,790,000 -808,0000
the total for the 8 years 5,005,000 jobs created!
But MORE importantly WHY aren't you taking in account the nearly
2,500,000 jobs lost due to 9/11,
400,000 jobs lost due to worst hurricane SEASONS 7 of the top 10 hurricanes occurred during 2001 to 2008!
300,000 jobs skilled technology workers were out of jobs due to dot.com bust...
3,200,000 total jobs lost to the above events which have NEVER occurred to any President in history!
If those 3,200,000 jobs were NOT lost Bush would have created over 8,205,000 jobs!
NO matter how you ignore it those events changed the job picture! NOTHING else has EVER happened in such a cumulative effect as the
Recession..dot.com bust..9/11... and 7 of the top 10 hurricanes... ALL which costs jobs, businesses and YOU ignore that!!!
Why is that so hard to admit... these events occurred! The events cost jobs! Nearly 3,200,000!
What is Obama's excuse???
Can it be Obama WANTS unemployment because his EPA, his HHS is doing everything possible that EMPLOYERS are telling him are costing jobs.. not making jobs!
Bush would NEVER be this stupid to say:
Obama said: "if somebody wants to build coal utility plant it’s just that it will bankrupt them,![/I][/B][/COLOR]"
And then he orders the EPA...
EPA itself estimated that its ozone standard would cost $90 billion a year, while other studies have projected that the rule could cost upwards of a trillion dollars and destroy 7.4 million jobs.
Boiler MACT Rule: EPA's Boiler MACT (Maximum Achievable Control Technology) standards are so strict that not even the best-performing sources can meet them, so many companies will have no choice but to shut their doors and ship manufacturing jobs overseas.
The rule has been projected to reduce US GDP by as much as 1.2 billion dollars and will destroy nearly 800,000 jobs.
Articles: Obama's EPA Plans for 2013
Now tell me which President seemed intent on increasing jobs and not destroying jobs?
OIL LEASES
under OBAMA
in 4 years new leases under Obama 5,109 new leases.. an average of 1,277 leases over 4 years
Under Bush..
from 2006 to 2008 23,569 new leases an average per year of 2,946 leases over 8 years.
Obama has overseen a reduction of 177% in new leases!
Oil and Gas Statistics
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Faun
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It's a false claim because you're calling the average for a year, the year end total, and you're too fucking stupid to comprehend the difference.HOw can this be a "FALSE claim"?Do you have any idea how rightarded you look? Any idea at all? I really don't think you do
You're [falsely] claiming there were 131.8 million jobs at the end of 2000. But the link you provided shows that was the average for all of 2000, not the year end total. You then [falsely] claim there were 136.8 million jobs at the end of 2008. But the link you provided shows that was the average for all of 2008, not the year end total.
But the best part ... did you look at YOUR OWN LINK for January, 2009, when Bush left office....133.5 million jobs. NOT the 136.8 million you're trying so desperately to fluff Bush with.
Your idiocy explains perfectly why you rank the president with the worst employment record in your lifetime, as one of the best.
I'm not making the statement up!
This is from http://www.citizen.org/documents/Historical_employment_data.pdf
Which was downloaded BEFORE the Bureau of Labor Statistics has CHANGED the numbers.
But it is totally a FACT.
HISTORICAL EMPLOYMENT HISTORICAL EMPLOYMENT
B-1. Employees on nonfarm payrolls by major industry sector, 1960 to date (In thousands)
Doesn't say it is an average. It says at the end of
End of number employed:
2000...... 131,785,000
2001...... 131,826,000 41,000
2002...... 130,341,000 -1,485,000
2003...... 129,999,000 -342,000
2004...... 131,435,000 1,436,000
2005...... 133,703,000 2,268,000
2006...... 136,086,000 2,383,000
2007...... 137,598,000 1,512,000
2008...... 136,790,000 -808,0000
the total for the 8 years 5,005,000 jobs created!
But MORE importantly WHY aren't you taking in account the nearly
2,500,000 jobs in due to 9/11,
400,000 jobs lost due to worst hurricane SEASONS 7 of the top 10 hurricanes occurred during 2001 to 2008!
300,000 jobs skilled technology workers were out of jobs due to dot.com bust...
3,200,000 total jobs lost to the above events which have NEVER occurred to any President in history!
If those 3,200,000 jobs were NOT lost Bush would have created over 8,205,000 jobs!
NO matter how you ignore it those events changed the job picture! NOTHING else has EVER happened in such a cumulative effect as the
Recession..dot.com bust..9/11... and 7 of the top 10 hurricanes... ALL which costs jobs, businesses and YOU ignore that!!!
Why is that so hard to admit... these events occurred! The events cost jobs! Nearly 3,200,000!
What is Obama's excuse???
Can it be Obama WANTS unemployment because his EPA, his HHS is doing everything possible that EMPLOYERS are telling him are costing jobs.. not making jobs!
Bush would NEVER be this stupid to say:
Obama said: "if somebody wants to build coal utility plant its just that it will bankrupt them,![/I][/B][/COLOR]"
And then he orders the EPA...
EPA itself estimated that its ozone standard would cost $90 billion a year, while other studies have projected that the rule could cost upwards of a trillion dollars and destroy 7.4 million jobs.
Boiler MACT Rule: EPA's Boiler MACT (Maximum Achievable Control Technology) standards are so strict that not even the best-performing sources can meet them, so many companies will have no choice but to shut their doors and ship manufacturing jobs overseas.
The rule has been projected to reduce US GDP by as much as 1.2 billion dollars and will destroy nearly 800,000 jobs.
Articles: Obama's EPA Plans for 2013
Now tell me which President seemed intent on increasing jobs and not destroying jobs?
OIL LEASES
under OBAMA
in 4 years new leases under Obama 5,109 new leases.. an average of 1,277 leases over 4 years
Under Bush..
from 2006 to 2008 23,569 new leases an average per year of 2,946 leases over 8 years.
Obama has overseen a reduction of 177% in new leases!
Oil and Gas Statistics
By the way, I didn't see your response to where I pointed out how the link YOU provided showed in Jan/2009, Bush's last month, the number of Jobs was 133.5 million, not 136.8 million that you falsely claim.
healthmyths
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It's a false claim because you're calling the average for a year, the year end total, and you're too fucking stupid to comprehend the difference.HOw can this be a "FALSE claim"?Do you have any idea how rightarded you look? Any idea at all? I really don't think you do
You're [falsely] claiming there were 131.8 million jobs at the end of 2000. But the link you provided shows that was the average for all of 2000, not the year end total. You then [falsely] claim there were 136.8 million jobs at the end of 2008. But the link you provided shows that was the average for all of 2008, not the year end total.
But the best part ... did you look at YOUR OWN LINK for January, 2009, when Bush left office....133.5 million jobs. NOT the 136.8 million you're trying so desperately to fluff Bush with.
Your idiocy explains perfectly why you rank the president with the worst employment record in your lifetime, as one of the best.
I'm not making the statement up!
This is from http://www.citizen.org/documents/Historical_employment_data.pdf
Which was downloaded BEFORE the Bureau of Labor Statistics has CHANGED the numbers.
But it is totally a FACT.
HISTORICAL EMPLOYMENT HISTORICAL EMPLOYMENT
B-1. Employees on nonfarm payrolls by major industry sector, 1960 to date (In thousands)
Doesn't say it is an average. It says at the end of
End of number employed:
2000...... 131,785,000
2001...... 131,826,000 41,000
2002...... 130,341,000 -1,485,000
2003...... 129,999,000 -342,000
2004...... 131,435,000 1,436,000
2005...... 133,703,000 2,268,000
2006...... 136,086,000 2,383,000
2007...... 137,598,000 1,512,000
2008...... 136,790,000 -808,0000
the total for the 8 years 5,005,000 jobs created!
But MORE importantly WHY aren't you taking in account the nearly
2,500,000 jobs in due to 9/11,
400,000 jobs lost due to worst hurricane SEASONS 7 of the top 10 hurricanes occurred during 2001 to 2008!
300,000 jobs skilled technology workers were out of jobs due to dot.com bust...
3,200,000 total jobs lost to the above events which have NEVER occurred to any President in history!
If those 3,200,000 jobs were NOT lost Bush would have created over 8,205,000 jobs!
NO matter how you ignore it those events changed the job picture! NOTHING else has EVER happened in such a cumulative effect as the
Recession..dot.com bust..9/11... and 7 of the top 10 hurricanes... ALL which costs jobs, businesses and YOU ignore that!!!
Why is that so hard to admit... these events occurred! The events cost jobs! Nearly 3,200,000!
What is Obama's excuse???
Can it be Obama WANTS unemployment because his EPA, his HHS is doing everything possible that EMPLOYERS are telling him are costing jobs.. not making jobs!
Bush would NEVER be this stupid to say:
Obama said: "if somebody wants to build coal utility plant its just that it will bankrupt them,![/I][/B][/COLOR]"
And then he orders the EPA...
EPA itself estimated that its ozone standard would cost $90 billion a year, while other studies have projected that the rule could cost upwards of a trillion dollars and destroy 7.4 million jobs.
Boiler MACT Rule: EPA's Boiler MACT (Maximum Achievable Control Technology) standards are so strict that not even the best-performing sources can meet them, so many companies will have no choice but to shut their doors and ship manufacturing jobs overseas.
The rule has been projected to reduce US GDP by as much as 1.2 billion dollars and will destroy nearly 800,000 jobs.
Articles: Obama's EPA Plans for 2013
Now tell me which President seemed intent on increasing jobs and not destroying jobs?
OIL LEASES
under OBAMA
in 4 years new leases under Obama 5,109 new leases.. an average of 1,277 leases over 4 years
Under Bush..
from 2006 to 2008 23,569 new leases an average per year of 2,946 leases over 8 years.
Obama has overseen a reduction of 177% in new leases!
Oil and Gas Statistics
By the way, I didn't see your response to where I pointed out how the link YOU provided showed in Jan/2009, Bush's last month, the number of Jobs was 133.5 million, not 136.8 million that you falsely claim.
Where did you ever come to the conclusion that THIS table was an AVERAGE of the year?
Did you go to look at this page? http://www.citizen.org/documents/Historical_employment_data.pdf
NO WHERE on that page is there any statement saying it was an "average"!
Now when you go to this page: Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
You will see as I did when I calculated the AVERAGE for each year:
Year AVERAGE / year
2001 132,089,500
2002 130,616,333
2003 130,264,250
2004 131,660,166
2005 133,905,500
2006 136,296,666
2007 137,809,333
2008 137,016,333
So doing what you suggested I took from the above data and AVERAGED the total people employed.
Subtract from the end of 2008 137,016,333
The end of 2001 or the total 132,089,500
That is nearly 5 million or 4,926,830 more jobs!
Redfish
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Did you and your kind understand that when Bush beat your clowns twice? NO, you are still not over it. Why else would there be 3 or 4 bush bashing threads every day?
what you, and your kind, are is hypocrites.
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Well YOU are then calling the Bureau of Labor Statistics "Liars"... because no where in their table that I use these figures did it state
they were "average" as "phlegm" states.
Again.. don't make a fool of your self by calling me something without CHECKING out the sources I provided..
Also WHY are people like you so adverse to admitting that IN SPITE of 4 cataclysmic events that never occurred in any President's terms
in history at least Bush kept things stable considering ALL the attempts to destroy our country?
And why are you so adverse to admitting the MSM as exemplified by Thomas's statement "Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do."
BASHED Bush mercilessly YET they have given Obama all sorts of support?
This is why historians will rate Bush as a "great" President because IN SPITE of an ADMITTED adversarial MSM, and IN SPITE of 4 gigantic events.. Bush's
administration (because of Bush (MBA..by the way in case you forgot and keep making fun of his intelligence..) skills grew the GDP 16%.. and
in spite of these events and the biased press INCREASED the number of of employed even though 5 million jobs lost due to recession,dot.com, 9/11 hurricanes!
Go to this site: http://www.citizen.org/documents/Historical_employment_data.pdf
You will see:
At the End of 2000 total employees on nonfarm payrolls 131,785,000
At the End of 2008 total employees: 136,790,000!
Subtract 131,795,000 from 136,790,000 you get.. 5,005,000 more people working then at the end of 2000!
Why is that complicated? Where in that document does it say it was an AVERAGE as "phlegm" asserts?
5,005,000 more people working then in 2000!!!
THIS WAS THE SOURCE for my calculation that when you subtract from the 136,790,000 people working at the end of 2008 from the 131,785,000 working end of 2000..
YOU GET 5,005,000 more people working!!!
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt Not my words THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF LABOR!!!!
At the total people
end of working
2000...... 131,785,000 2,792,000 dot.com and recession starting!!!
2001...... 131,826,000 41,000 dot com Recession that started 3/01 ended 11/11 /9/11
2002...... 130,341,000 -1,485,000 effect off 9/11
2003...... 129,999,000 -342,000
2004...... 131,435,000 1,436,000
2005...... 133,703,000 2,268,000
2006...... 136,086,000 2,383,000
2007...... 137,598,000 1,512,000
2008...... 136,790,000 -808,000 Sep 18,2008 $500 billion withdrew almost collapsing world economies!
5 million net more people working then at the end of 2000.
NoNukes
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There are 3 or 4 Bush bashings every day because he hurt the world THAT much.
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Bashings are done by people without the facts.
And the facts are GWB faced MORE gigantic events in his terms then any other President.. and HiSTORY will show it even if idiots deny it!
NO economy would have stood these shattering events..
1) Recession that started before 3/01 when the rate of GDP increased declined costing GDP growth, lost jobs, lost tax revenue... but do BASHERS agree? NO.
2) Dot.com bust that experts state cost $5 trillion in losses over 300,000 jobs.. but again BASHERS never admit that happened.
3) In spite of watching on TV planes hitting buildings on 9/11 costing trillions of dollars and over 2.5 million jobs.. BASHERS don't admit that happened.."are we talking tin-foil hats"?
4) And these same BASHERS don't think it was a big deal that 7 of the top 10 hurricanes in history occurred during this time. Costing billions and 400,000+ jobs.. yet they
continue to BASH Bush for what???
Finally Iraq.. yea WMDs weren't found but not according to Scott Pelley of CBS news!
And NONE of these BASHERS should have the audacity to look into the eyes of over 1 million children that would have starved if Saddam had been still in power or the 28 million people that remember what Saddam did and how they lived in fear of his sons' pliers and power drills cutting out tongues, severing genitals.. yea why aren't you BUSH BASHERS
ever talking how you supported SADDAM's Sadistic tortures???
Of course NONE of you Bush BASHERS EVER took time as I've done to study the economic impact of removing Saddam when under Saddam Iraqi per person was $518!
Today it is over $7,200!
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iz.html
Think of it... a 1,290% increase per Iraqi! in just 10 years!
AND NO thanks to you BUSH BASHERS Iraqi people are living longer, better and all because Bush had the balls to do what you bashers and these 32 democrat quotes didn't have!
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.
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As they say in the middle East...
والحقيقة تجعلك حرا
Now if you were as Internet adroit as you think you are you should be able to translate that!
The reason I am doing this is because obviously you don't comprehend the dire nature of our
existence under the continued assault on our country as some of us recognize!
Wait till QE3 stops... watch how quickly the DJI drops! Watch the run on banks!
And then remember your "obsession" comment as you pay $8.00 for gas...
Toddsterpatriot
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The banks have trillions in cash, why do you feel there will be a run on the banks?
Redfish
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Damn, are you really that stupid? Its all political bullshit. Can you imagine 9/11 with Gore in charge? What would that idiot have done? given carbon credits to the taliban in exchange for their promise to be good guys and support AGW?
Bush made some mistakes, all presidents make mistakes, but he was 1000% better than the idiot who currently lives in the whitehouse.
NoNukes
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From this post, you are the one who is that stupid. Bush was the most hated person in the world and an embarrassing black mark on America for 8 years.
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