Why exactly does America need the Republican Party?

[francoHFW]

There could just be the "Patriot" party and everyone runs on the issues for their platform.


Political parties are seriously not a necessity in the real world.

Now I need to go see if I stocked some TP in a bathroom.

And that's how we get the most unfair capitalism in the modern world. Thanks GOPers. So misinformed.

So it's all the GOPers fault?

You're a special kind of dupe, huh?

Absolutely. Pander to the rich, screw the middle class, workers, environment, allow 9/11 thru sheer incompetence, start the stupidest wars ever AND a corrupt world depression. All they care about is cutting taxes on the rich, damn the country, dupes.

 

[Marion Morrison]

There could just be the "Patriot" party and everyone runs on the issues for their platform.


Political parties are seriously not a necessity in the real world.

Now I need to go see if I stocked some TP in a bathroom.

And that's how we get the most unfair capitalism in the modern world. Thanks GOPers. So misinformed.

So it's all the GOPers fault?

You're a special kind of dupe, huh?

Absolutely. Pander to the rich, screw the middle class, workers, environment, allow 9/11 thru sheer incompetence, start the stupidest wars ever AND a corrupt world depression. All they care about is cutting taxes on the rich, damn the country, dupes.

It wasn't solely the GOP complicit in all that, mister.

It was the globalist elites, both Democrat and Republican Congress criminals.

Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama.

Obama was actually the least detrimental to the country out of those, even though he hates us, it's because he's lazy and not in with the 3 prior globalist bastards good ol' boy club.

The other 3 just don't care.
^Truth.

 

[francoHFW]

There could just be the "Patriot" party and everyone runs on the issues for their platform.


Political parties are seriously not a necessity in the real world.

Now I need to go see if I stocked some TP in a bathroom.

And that's how we get the most unfair capitalism in the modern world. Thanks GOPers. So misinformed.

So it's all the GOPers fault?

You're a special kind of dupe, huh?

Absolutely. Pander to the rich, screw the middle class, workers, environment, allow 9/11 thru sheer incompetence, start the stupidest wars ever AND a corrupt world depression. All they care about is cutting taxes on the rich, damn the country, dupes.

It wasn't solely the GOP complicit in all that, mister.

It was the globalist elites, both Democrat and Republican Congress criminals.

Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama.

Obama was actually the least detrimental to the country out of those, even though he hates us, it's because he's lazy and not in with the 3 prior globalist bastards good ol' boy club.

The other 3 just don't care.
^Truth.

They were behind and in front of it all. Clinton and all Dems try and raise taxes on the bloated rich and cut them on the nonrich. And the opposite for services. That's how we used to have a golden age before the Reaganism of the last 35 years. See sig. Globalism is just natural as communication, transportation improve. Manual labor will go where its cheapest, and smart countries like Germany and other modern countries TRAIN people for the good techie jobs. NOT here, because the GOP must save the rich.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

If only we could be more like France....... lol

 

[Yarddog]

There could just be the "Patriot" party and everyone runs on the issues for their platform.


Political parties are seriously not a necessity in the real world.

Now I need to go see if I stocked some TP in a bathroom.

And that's how we get the most unfair capitalism in the modern world. Thanks GOPers. So misinformed.

So it's all the GOPers fault?

You're a special kind of dupe, huh?

Absolutely. Pander to the rich, screw the middle class, workers, environment, allow 9/11 thru sheer incompetence, start the stupidest wars ever AND a corrupt world depression. All they care about is cutting taxes on the rich, damn the country, dupes.

It wasn't solely the GOP complicit in all that, mister.

It was the globalist elites, both Democrat and Republican Congress criminals.

Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama.

Obama was actually the least detrimental to the country out of those, even though he hates us, it's because he's lazy and not in with the 3 prior globalist bastards good ol' boy club.

The other 3 just don't care.
^Truth.

They were behind and in front of it all. Clinton and all Dems try and raise taxes on the bloated rich and cut them on the nonrich. And the opposite for services. That's how we used to have a golden age before the Reaganism of the last 35 years. See sig. Globalism is just natural as communication, transportation improve. Manual labor will go where its cheapest, and smart countries like Germany and other modern countries TRAIN people for the good techie jobs. NOT here, because the GOP must save the rich.

Well, the Clintons and Obamas use the same tax loopholes as the Bloated rich. Oh wait, The Clintons and the Obamas ARE the bloated rich. They just have their own set of cronies. Take not how Obamas friend George Soros capitalized on the Democrat attack on the coal industry. The kick backs come later.

MINERS NEWS - October/November 2015

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In the fifties, CEOS made 23x the average workers pay

So what?

now over 300x,

You're wrong. You're either lying, or stupid. Probably both.

Speak for yourself, superdupe.
Top CEOs make more than 300 times the average worker | Fortune.com
fortune.com/2015/06/22/ceo-vs-worker-pay/
Jun 22, 2015 - With these increases in mind, it should come as no surprise that the ratio between averageAmerican CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.
CEO pay is 300 times greater than their employees - Jun. 22, 2015
money.cnn.com/2015/06/22/news/companies/ceo-pay/index.html
Jun 22, 2015 - The average total compensation of CEOs at the 350 largest firms, including stock options and other bonuses, came to $16.3 million in 2014, according to EPI. That compares to just over $50,000 inpay for their workers.
Top CEOs Make 300 Times More than Typical Workers: Pay Growth ...
www.epi.org/.../top-ceos-make-300-times-more-than-workers-pay-growth-surpasses-...
Jun 21, 2015 - The CEO-to-worker compensation ratio, 20-to-1 in 1965, peaked at .... Average worker paysaw relatively strong growth over that period ...
Why corporate CEO pay is so high, and going higher - CNBC.com
www.cnbc.com/2015/05/.../why-corporate-ceo-pay-is-so-high-and-going-higher.html
May 18, 2015 - The average corporate CEO makes 373 times the average worker. ... The shift toward cashnow may reflect higher stock prices, according to the ...


And you're an INTERESTED GOPer...

the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.

Bullshit.

The average total compensation of CEOs at the 350 largest firms, including stock options and other bonuses, came to $16.3 million in 2014, according to EPI. That compares to just over $50,000 inpay for their workers.

Even your own source proves that ratio is bullshit. Embarrassed?

The average corporate CEO makes 373 times the average worker.

I've gotta say one thing for you idiot liberals, when you find a good lie, you never stop repeating it.

Occupational Employment and Wages, May 2016
11-1011 Chief Executives

Mean annual
wage (2)
$194,350

Chief Executives

That makes the average about 4 times the average worker. Idiot.

You're welcome.

Lil franco makes it up as he goes.

He's especially dim.

At the 350 largest companies. Was 20x, now 300+.

At the 350 largest companies

Yes, out of over 220,000 CEOs, ya fucktard.

the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.

How long have you been spreading this silly lie? Will you stop now?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell me. What good has it done for this country? Tax cuts have been proven to cause more harm than good. That has always seemed to be their biggest selling point. Guess what? It wasn't tax cuts that created economic growth during Reagan's years. If it was, we would have seen massive job growth during Bush Jr.'s years. We didn't. Job growth was pitiful until Obama came into office. In fact, we wouldn't have had the economic collapse in 2008 in the first place if republican policies worked. 2.5x more private sector jobs were created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8. Guess what saved the economy, Pubs? DEMAND side economics. That was Obama's stimulus package. It has proven to be much more successful than supply side. The obvious reason why the unemployment rate is higher under Obama is because the economic collapse happened 4 month before Obama was sworn in! Obviously the several millions of jobs we lost would translate into a higher unemployment rate in his years. Whether you cons want to admit it or not, Obama inherited a steaming mess. Luckily Obama's stimulus turned the free fall into growth. Unfortunately, we still have a way to go. Obama himself has admitted that. Slow is better than nothing.

Why Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits Boost the Economy

(Explains why tax cuts do more harm than good and why Obama's demand side economics were such a success).

Obama?s Numbers, October Update

More Jobs Created Under Obama Than Bush, Non-Partisan Report Finds | Politics And Regulation | Minyanville's Wall Street

Come on. This is the party that convinced their base that tax cuts pay for themselves. Knuckle dragging logic. I don't pretend that democrats are the heroes, but there is no denying that democratic economic policies have worked.

So tell me repubs. What do you have to show for yourselves? Reagan? Please. That was decades ago. Nowadays you got nothing. There is no evidence republicanism has done this country any good. Bush jr. drove this country into the ground.

Tell me what would Romney have accomplished? Government spending would have continued under his reign. Private sector job growth was already happening under Obama. And healthcare? RomneyCare? Tell me, what exactly made Romney/Heritage's healthcare system any better than Obama's? Answer: nothing. Why? Because it is the same damn plan!

Oh, and the massive income disparity in this country? The massive gap between the middle class and the wealthy? We can easily blame that on republicanism. Since 2009, 95% of income gains have gone to the wealthiest Americans despite the massive productivity that the lower classes have accomplished.

95% Of Income Gains Since 2009 Went To The Top 1% — Here's What That Really Means

Bush Junior was basically a LIB who spent way too much. end of story. If raising taxes is so great then hit all small businesses with less than 10 employees with a 50% tax increase and see how fast the jobs disappear.

At least if there is a republican party, there is a hope that they may one day become conservative and grow a backbone and learn how to use the powers of congress instead of constantly caving.

If there is no Republican Party then the Dems become 10 times corrupt as they already are

Only dupes believe the Dems want to raise taxes on anyone but the rich and some giant corps. Need a diagram? The GOP has been doing the opposite for 35 years.

Only dupes believe the Dems want to raise taxes on anyone but the rich and some giant corps.

Clinton promised a middle class tax cut in 1992.
When he got into office he raised middle class taxes.
You'd have to be a dupe to believe Dems don't want to raise taxes on us all.

 

[francoHFW]

And that's how we get the most unfair capitalism in the modern world. Thanks GOPers. So misinformed.

So it's all the GOPers fault?

You're a special kind of dupe, huh?

Absolutely. Pander to the rich, screw the middle class, workers, environment, allow 9/11 thru sheer incompetence, start the stupidest wars ever AND a corrupt world depression. All they care about is cutting taxes on the rich, damn the country, dupes.

It wasn't solely the GOP complicit in all that, mister.

It was the globalist elites, both Democrat and Republican Congress criminals.

Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama.

Obama was actually the least detrimental to the country out of those, even though he hates us, it's because he's lazy and not in with the 3 prior globalist bastards good ol' boy club.

The other 3 just don't care.
^Truth.

They were behind and in front of it all. Clinton and all Dems try and raise taxes on the bloated rich and cut them on the nonrich. And the opposite for services. That's how we used to have a golden age before the Reaganism of the last 35 years. See sig. Globalism is just natural as communication, transportation improve. Manual labor will go where its cheapest, and smart countries like Germany and other modern countries TRAIN people for the good techie jobs. NOT here, because the GOP must save the rich.

Well, the Clintons and Obamas use the same tax loopholes as the Bloated rich. Oh wait, The Clintons and the Obamas ARE the bloated rich. They just have their own set of cronies. Take not how Obamas friend George Soros capitalized on the Democrat attack on the coal industry. The kick backs come later.

MINERS NEWS - October/November 2015

Check their policy, dupe. BS character assassination all your crap. They made all their money with books and speeches. No IOUs...

 

[francoHFW]

Speak for yourself, superdupe.
Top CEOs make more than 300 times the average worker | Fortune.com
fortune.com/2015/06/22/ceo-vs-worker-pay/
Jun 22, 2015 - With these increases in mind, it should come as no surprise that the ratio between averageAmerican CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.
CEO pay is 300 times greater than their employees - Jun. 22, 2015
money.cnn.com/2015/06/22/news/companies/ceo-pay/index.html
Jun 22, 2015 - The average total compensation of CEOs at the 350 largest firms, including stock options and other bonuses, came to $16.3 million in 2014, according to EPI. That compares to just over $50,000 inpay for their workers.
Top CEOs Make 300 Times More than Typical Workers: Pay Growth ...
www.epi.org/.../top-ceos-make-300-times-more-than-workers-pay-growth-surpasses-...
Jun 21, 2015 - The CEO-to-worker compensation ratio, 20-to-1 in 1965, peaked at .... Average worker paysaw relatively strong growth over that period ...
Why corporate CEO pay is so high, and going higher - CNBC.com
www.cnbc.com/2015/05/.../why-corporate-ceo-pay-is-so-high-and-going-higher.html
May 18, 2015 - The average corporate CEO makes 373 times the average worker. ... The shift toward cashnow may reflect higher stock prices, according to the ...


And you're an INTERESTED GOPer...

the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.

Bullshit.

The average total compensation of CEOs at the 350 largest firms, including stock options and other bonuses, came to $16.3 million in 2014, according to EPI. That compares to just over $50,000 inpay for their workers.

Even your own source proves that ratio is bullshit. Embarrassed?

The average corporate CEO makes 373 times the average worker.

I've gotta say one thing for you idiot liberals, when you find a good lie, you never stop repeating it.

Occupational Employment and Wages, May 2016
11-1011 Chief Executives

Mean annual
wage (2)
$194,350

Chief Executives

That makes the average about 4 times the average worker. Idiot.

You're welcome.

Lil franco makes it up as he goes.

He's especially dim.

At the 350 largest companies. Was 20x, now 300+.

At the 350 largest companies

Yes, out of over 220,000 CEOs, ya fucktard.

the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.

How long have you been spreading this silly lie? Will you stop now?

The big corps are the problem DUHHH. And the GOP cronies.

 

[Marion Morrison]

the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.

Bullshit.

The average total compensation of CEOs at the 350 largest firms, including stock options and other bonuses, came to $16.3 million in 2014, according to EPI. That compares to just over $50,000 inpay for their workers.

Even your own source proves that ratio is bullshit. Embarrassed?

The average corporate CEO makes 373 times the average worker.

I've gotta say one thing for you idiot liberals, when you find a good lie, you never stop repeating it.

Occupational Employment and Wages, May 2016
11-1011 Chief Executives

Mean annual
wage (2)
$194,350

Chief Executives

That makes the average about 4 times the average worker. Idiot.

You're welcome.

Lil franco makes it up as he goes.

He's especially dim.

At the 350 largest companies. Was 20x, now 300+.

At the 350 largest companies

Yes, out of over 220,000 CEOs, ya fucktard.

the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.

How long have you been spreading this silly lie? Will you stop now?

The big corps are the problem DUHHH. And the GOP cronies.

I suppose those Democrat cronies are of no consequence whatsoever, correct?

You're an idiot that's probably not even American trying to insert yourself, and your leftist views into American politics.

Fuck right the hell off, guy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.

Bullshit.

The average total compensation of CEOs at the 350 largest firms, including stock options and other bonuses, came to $16.3 million in 2014, according to EPI. That compares to just over $50,000 inpay for their workers.

Even your own source proves that ratio is bullshit. Embarrassed?

The average corporate CEO makes 373 times the average worker.

I've gotta say one thing for you idiot liberals, when you find a good lie, you never stop repeating it.

Occupational Employment and Wages, May 2016
11-1011 Chief Executives

Mean annual
wage (2)
$194,350

Chief Executives

That makes the average about 4 times the average worker. Idiot.

You're welcome.

Lil franco makes it up as he goes.

He's especially dim.

At the 350 largest companies. Was 20x, now 300+.

At the 350 largest companies

Yes, out of over 220,000 CEOs, ya fucktard.

the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.

How long have you been spreading this silly lie? Will you stop now?

The big corps are the problem DUHHH. And the GOP cronies.

So you'll stop lying about the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay?

 

[francoHFW]

Tell me. What good has it done for this country? Tax cuts have been proven to cause more harm than good. That has always seemed to be their biggest selling point. Guess what? It wasn't tax cuts that created economic growth during Reagan's years. If it was, we would have seen massive job growth during Bush Jr.'s years. We didn't. Job growth was pitiful until Obama came into office. In fact, we wouldn't have had the economic collapse in 2008 in the first place if republican policies worked. 2.5x more private sector jobs were created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8. Guess what saved the economy, Pubs? DEMAND side economics. That was Obama's stimulus package. It has proven to be much more successful than supply side. The obvious reason why the unemployment rate is higher under Obama is because the economic collapse happened 4 month before Obama was sworn in! Obviously the several millions of jobs we lost would translate into a higher unemployment rate in his years. Whether you cons want to admit it or not, Obama inherited a steaming mess. Luckily Obama's stimulus turned the free fall into growth. Unfortunately, we still have a way to go. Obama himself has admitted that. Slow is better than nothing.

Why Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits Boost the Economy

(Explains why tax cuts do more harm than good and why Obama's demand side economics were such a success).

Obama?s Numbers, October Update

More Jobs Created Under Obama Than Bush, Non-Partisan Report Finds | Politics And Regulation | Minyanville's Wall Street

Come on. This is the party that convinced their base that tax cuts pay for themselves. Knuckle dragging logic. I don't pretend that democrats are the heroes, but there is no denying that democratic economic policies have worked.

So tell me repubs. What do you have to show for yourselves? Reagan? Please. That was decades ago. Nowadays you got nothing. There is no evidence republicanism has done this country any good. Bush jr. drove this country into the ground.

Tell me what would Romney have accomplished? Government spending would have continued under his reign. Private sector job growth was already happening under Obama. And healthcare? RomneyCare? Tell me, what exactly made Romney/Heritage's healthcare system any better than Obama's? Answer: nothing. Why? Because it is the same damn plan!

Oh, and the massive income disparity in this country? The massive gap between the middle class and the wealthy? We can easily blame that on republicanism. Since 2009, 95% of income gains have gone to the wealthiest Americans despite the massive productivity that the lower classes have accomplished.

95% Of Income Gains Since 2009 Went To The Top 1% — Here's What That Really Means

Bush Junior was basically a LIB who spent way too much. end of story. If raising taxes is so great then hit all small businesses with less than 10 employees with a 50% tax increase and see how fast the jobs disappear.

At least if there is a republican party, there is a hope that they may one day become conservative and grow a backbone and learn how to use the powers of congress instead of constantly caving.

If there is no Republican Party then the Dems become 10 times corrupt as they already are

Only dupes believe the Dems want to raise taxes on anyone but the rich and some giant corps. Need a diagram? The GOP has been doing the opposite for 35 years.

Only dupes believe the Dems want to raise taxes on anyone but the rich and some giant corps.


You'd have to be a dupe to believe Dems don't want to raise taxes on us all.

Clinton did want to keep the deficit down. I'm amazed- you actually came up with a good point. Almost. It was on the UPPER middle class and the rich, and it worked!

Looks like a GOP lie to me when you look at the size of it, and that it was on the top 20%. And certainly nowhere as big as the hike on the rich

 

[francoHFW]

Lil franco makes it up as he goes.

He's especially dim.

At the 350 largest companies. Was 20x, now 300+.

At the 350 largest companies

Yes, out of over 220,000 CEOs, ya fucktard.

the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.

How long have you been spreading this silly lie? Will you stop now?

The big corps are the problem DUHHH. And the GOP cronies.

I suppose those Democrat cronies are of no consequence whatsoever, correct?

You're an idiot that's probably not even American trying to insert yourself, and your leftist views into American politics.

Fuck right the hell off, guy.

Dem cronies like who? They are progressives and want to raise taxes on themselves and cut them on the middle class. And no, I'm not a conspiraceee!!!!! Born in Buffalo, but have seen the EU. Could have had dual citizenship (UK) if I hadn't been born at that time. '51.

 

[francoHFW]

Lil franco makes it up as he goes.

He's especially dim.

At the 350 largest companies. Was 20x, now 300+.

At the 350 largest companies

Yes, out of over 220,000 CEOs, ya fucktard.

the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.

How long have you been spreading this silly lie? Will you stop now?

The big corps are the problem DUHHH. And the GOP cronies.

So you'll stop lying about the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay?

I was talking big corps, your GOP POS cronies.

 

[francoHFW]

Americans and CEO Pay: 2016 Public Perception Survey on CEO Compensation
By
David F. Larcker, Nicholas E. Donatiello, Brian Tayan
CGRI Survey Series. Corporate Governance Research Initiative, Stanford Rock Center for Corporate Governance, February
2016
Accounting, Corporate Governance
Download
Recently, the Rock Center for Corporate Governance at Stanford University conducted a nationwide survey of 1,202 individuals — representative by gender, race, age, political affiliation, household income, and state residence — to understand public perception of CEO pay levels among the 500 largest publicly traded corporations. Key takeaways are:

• CEOs are vastly overpaid, according to most Americans
• Most support drastic reductions
• The public is divided on government intervention

74 percent of Americans believe that CEOs are not paid the correct amount relative to the average worker. Only 16 percent believe that they are. While responses vary across demographic groups (e.g., political affiliation and household income), overall sentiment regarding CEO pay remains highly negative.

“There is a clear sense among the American public that CEOs are taking home much more in compensation than they deserve,” says Professor David F. Larcker of Stanford Graduate School of Business. “While we find that members of the public are not particularly knowledgeable about how much CEOs actually make in annual pay, there is a general sense of outrage fueled in part by the political environment.”

“Corporations and their boards need to do a better job explaining and justifying CEO pay arrangements,” adds Nick Donatiello, Lecturer in Corporate Governance at Stanford Graduate School of Business. “The vast majority of Americans think CEO pay levels are a problem. Some are comfortable with the idea that CEOs should substantially share in any upside value they create, while many others favor significant reductions in the amount of pay a CEO can receive relative to the average worker. Clearly companies have not been successful communicating how much value their CEO creates and how much compensation is required, given the market for talent, to attract and motivate the right people.”

According to Brian Tayan, researcher at Stanford Graduate School of Business, “Whether high pay packages are deserved is an emotionally charged subject. Whether the government can or should intervene is even more divisive. Public consensus is that there is a problem. There is much less agreement on a solution.”

The controversy over CEO compensation has reached new heights with labor unions, media, and political candidates from both major parties expressing public criticism. According to Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, the average CEO “is now earning 200 times the average hourly wage. Twenty years ago the ratio was about forty times. People all over this country are really upset about this.” According to Republican candidate Donald Trump, CEO compensation is a “total and complete joke…. they get whatever they want.” On its website, the AFL-CIO cites a CEO-to-worker pay ratio of 331:1, adding that “in recent decades, corporate CEOs have been taking a greater share of the economic pie while wages have stagnated and unemployment remains high.” A Bloomberg report claims that “the gap between pay for U.S. chief executive officers and the people who work for them has widened sevenfold in three decades. Are bosses seven times smarter these days? Company boards seem to think so.”1

The findings include the following:

The Average American Grossly Underestimates How Much CEOs Make
Public frustration with CEO pay exists despite a public perception that CEOs earn only a fraction of their published compensation amounts. Disclosed CEO pay at Fortune 500 companies is ten times what the average American believes those CEOs earn. The typical American believes a CEO earns $1.0 million in pay (average of $9.3 million), whereas median reported compensation for the CEOs of these companies is approximately $10.3 million (average of $12.2 million).2

Responses vary based on the household income of the respondent, but all groups underestimate actual compensation. Lower income respondents (below $20,000) believe CEOs earn $500,000 ($9.7 million average), while higher income respondents ($150,000 or more) believe CEOs earn $5,000,000 ($14.9 million average).

Still, Americans Believe CEOs Are Overpaid Relative to the Average Worker
The vast majority (74 percent) of Americans believe that CEOs are not paid the correct amount relative to the average worker. Only 16 percent believe that they are paid an appropriate amount. While responses vary by political affiliation, they remain largely negative. Only a quarter (25 percent) of Republicans believe CEOs are paid the correct amount relative to the average worker, compared to 16 percent of Democrats and 11 percent of Independents.

Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of Americans believe that there is a maximum amount that CEOs should be paid relative to the average worker, regardless of the company and its performance.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell me. What good has it done for this country? Tax cuts have been proven to cause more harm than good. That has always seemed to be their biggest selling point. Guess what? It wasn't tax cuts that created economic growth during Reagan's years. If it was, we would have seen massive job growth during Bush Jr.'s years. We didn't. Job growth was pitiful until Obama came into office. In fact, we wouldn't have had the economic collapse in 2008 in the first place if republican policies worked. 2.5x more private sector jobs were created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8. Guess what saved the economy, Pubs? DEMAND side economics. That was Obama's stimulus package. It has proven to be much more successful than supply side. The obvious reason why the unemployment rate is higher under Obama is because the economic collapse happened 4 month before Obama was sworn in! Obviously the several millions of jobs we lost would translate into a higher unemployment rate in his years. Whether you cons want to admit it or not, Obama inherited a steaming mess. Luckily Obama's stimulus turned the free fall into growth. Unfortunately, we still have a way to go. Obama himself has admitted that. Slow is better than nothing.

Why Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits Boost the Economy

(Explains why tax cuts do more harm than good and why Obama's demand side economics were such a success).

Obama?s Numbers, October Update

More Jobs Created Under Obama Than Bush, Non-Partisan Report Finds | Politics And Regulation | Minyanville's Wall Street

Come on. This is the party that convinced their base that tax cuts pay for themselves. Knuckle dragging logic. I don't pretend that democrats are the heroes, but there is no denying that democratic economic policies have worked.

So tell me repubs. What do you have to show for yourselves? Reagan? Please. That was decades ago. Nowadays you got nothing. There is no evidence republicanism has done this country any good. Bush jr. drove this country into the ground.

Tell me what would Romney have accomplished? Government spending would have continued under his reign. Private sector job growth was already happening under Obama. And healthcare? RomneyCare? Tell me, what exactly made Romney/Heritage's healthcare system any better than Obama's? Answer: nothing. Why? Because it is the same damn plan!

Oh, and the massive income disparity in this country? The massive gap between the middle class and the wealthy? We can easily blame that on republicanism. Since 2009, 95% of income gains have gone to the wealthiest Americans despite the massive productivity that the lower classes have accomplished.

95% Of Income Gains Since 2009 Went To The Top 1% — Here's What That Really Means

Bush Junior was basically a LIB who spent way too much. end of story. If raising taxes is so great then hit all small businesses with less than 10 employees with a 50% tax increase and see how fast the jobs disappear.

At least if there is a republican party, there is a hope that they may one day become conservative and grow a backbone and learn how to use the powers of congress instead of constantly caving.

If there is no Republican Party then the Dems become 10 times corrupt as they already are

Only dupes believe the Dems want to raise taxes on anyone but the rich and some giant corps. Need a diagram? The GOP has been doing the opposite for 35 years.

Only dupes believe the Dems want to raise taxes on anyone but the rich and some giant corps.


You'd have to be a dupe to believe Dems don't want to raise taxes on us all.

Clinton did want to keep the deficit down. I'm amazed- you actually came up with a good point. Almost. It was on the UPPER middle class and the rich, and it worked!

Looks like a GOP lie to me when you look at the size of it, and that it was on the top 20%. And certainly nowhere as big as the hike on the rich

Clinton did want to keep the deficit down.

So that's why he lied about cutting middle class taxes?
Is that why Gingrich had to keep pushing him to reduce spending?
It was all about the deficit? LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He's especially dim.

At the 350 largest companies. Was 20x, now 300+.

At the 350 largest companies

Yes, out of over 220,000 CEOs, ya fucktard.

the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay is now 303-to-1.

How long have you been spreading this silly lie? Will you stop now?

The big corps are the problem DUHHH. And the GOP cronies.

So you'll stop lying about the ratio between average American CEO pay and worker pay?

I was talking big corps, your GOP POS cronies.

So when you said "average CEO", it was a lie.
Thanks for admitting you lied.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Americans and CEO Pay: 2016 Public Perception Survey on CEO Compensation
By
David F. Larcker, Nicholas E. Donatiello, Brian Tayan
CGRI Survey Series. Corporate Governance Research Initiative, Stanford Rock Center for Corporate Governance, February
2016
Accounting, Corporate Governance
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Recently, the Rock Center for Corporate Governance at Stanford University conducted a nationwide survey of 1,202 individuals — representative by gender, race, age, political affiliation, household income, and state residence — to understand public perception of CEO pay levels among the 500 largest publicly traded corporations. Key takeaways are:

• CEOs are vastly overpaid, according to most Americans
• Most support drastic reductions
• The public is divided on government intervention

74 percent of Americans believe that CEOs are not paid the correct amount relative to the average worker. Only 16 percent believe that they are. While responses vary across demographic groups (e.g., political affiliation and household income), overall sentiment regarding CEO pay remains highly negative.

“There is a clear sense among the American public that CEOs are taking home much more in compensation than they deserve,” says Professor David F. Larcker of Stanford Graduate School of Business. “While we find that members of the public are not particularly knowledgeable about how much CEOs actually make in annual pay, there is a general sense of outrage fueled in part by the political environment.”

“Corporations and their boards need to do a better job explaining and justifying CEO pay arrangements,” adds Nick Donatiello, Lecturer in Corporate Governance at Stanford Graduate School of Business. “The vast majority of Americans think CEO pay levels are a problem. Some are comfortable with the idea that CEOs should substantially share in any upside value they create, while many others favor significant reductions in the amount of pay a CEO can receive relative to the average worker. Clearly companies have not been successful communicating how much value their CEO creates and how much compensation is required, given the market for talent, to attract and motivate the right people.”

According to Brian Tayan, researcher at Stanford Graduate School of Business, “Whether high pay packages are deserved is an emotionally charged subject. Whether the government can or should intervene is even more divisive. Public consensus is that there is a problem. There is much less agreement on a solution.”

The controversy over CEO compensation has reached new heights with labor unions, media, and political candidates from both major parties expressing public criticism. According to Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, the average CEO “is now earning 200 times the average hourly wage. Twenty years ago the ratio was about forty times. People all over this country are really upset about this.” According to Republican candidate Donald Trump, CEO compensation is a “total and complete joke…. they get whatever they want.” On its website, the AFL-CIO cites a CEO-to-worker pay ratio of 331:1, adding that “in recent decades, corporate CEOs have been taking a greater share of the economic pie while wages have stagnated and unemployment remains high.” A Bloomberg report claims that “the gap between pay for U.S. chief executive officers and the people who work for them has widened sevenfold in three decades. Are bosses seven times smarter these days? Company boards seem to think so.”1

The findings include the following:

The Average American Grossly Underestimates How Much CEOs Make
Public frustration with CEO pay exists despite a public perception that CEOs earn only a fraction of their published compensation amounts. Disclosed CEO pay at Fortune 500 companies is ten times what the average American believes those CEOs earn. The typical American believes a CEO earns $1.0 million in pay (average of $9.3 million), whereas median reported compensation for the CEOs of these companies is approximately $10.3 million (average of $12.2 million).2

Responses vary based on the household income of the respondent, but all groups underestimate actual compensation. Lower income respondents (below $20,000) believe CEOs earn $500,000 ($9.7 million average), while higher income respondents ($150,000 or more) believe CEOs earn $5,000,000 ($14.9 million average).

Still, Americans Believe CEOs Are Overpaid Relative to the Average Worker
The vast majority (74 percent) of Americans believe that CEOs are not paid the correct amount relative to the average worker. Only 16 percent believe that they are paid an appropriate amount. While responses vary by political affiliation, they remain largely negative. Only a quarter (25 percent) of Republicans believe CEOs are paid the correct amount relative to the average worker, compared to 16 percent of Democrats and 11 percent of Independents.

Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of Americans believe that there is a maximum amount that CEOs should be paid relative to the average worker, regardless of the company and its performance.

public perception of CEO pay levels among the 500 largest publicly traded corporations

There are over 220,000 CEOs, why are you pretending that the top 1/4 of 1% represent all CEOs?

Disclosed CEO pay at Fortune 500 companies is ten times what the average American believes those CEOs earn. The typical American believes a CEO earns $1.0 million in pay (average of $9.3 million),

Considering average CEO pay is under $200,000, the typical American is way high in their belief.

 

[task0778]

Why exactly does America need the Republican Party?

Because the Democratic Party would totally fuck up the entire country if the GOP wasn't around to keep them in check.

 

[francoHFW]

Tell me. What good has it done for this country? Tax cuts have been proven to cause more harm than good. That has always seemed to be their biggest selling point. Guess what? It wasn't tax cuts that created economic growth during Reagan's years. If it was, we would have seen massive job growth during Bush Jr.'s years. We didn't. Job growth was pitiful until Obama came into office. In fact, we wouldn't have had the economic collapse in 2008 in the first place if republican policies worked. 2.5x more private sector jobs were created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8. Guess what saved the economy, Pubs? DEMAND side economics. That was Obama's stimulus package. It has proven to be much more successful than supply side. The obvious reason why the unemployment rate is higher under Obama is because the economic collapse happened 4 month before Obama was sworn in! Obviously the several millions of jobs we lost would translate into a higher unemployment rate in his years. Whether you cons want to admit it or not, Obama inherited a steaming mess. Luckily Obama's stimulus turned the free fall into growth. Unfortunately, we still have a way to go. Obama himself has admitted that. Slow is better than nothing.

Why Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits Boost the Economy

(Explains why tax cuts do more harm than good and why Obama's demand side economics were such a success).

Obama?s Numbers, October Update

More Jobs Created Under Obama Than Bush, Non-Partisan Report Finds | Politics And Regulation | Minyanville's Wall Street

Come on. This is the party that convinced their base that tax cuts pay for themselves. Knuckle dragging logic. I don't pretend that democrats are the heroes, but there is no denying that democratic economic policies have worked.

So tell me repubs. What do you have to show for yourselves? Reagan? Please. That was decades ago. Nowadays you got nothing. There is no evidence republicanism has done this country any good. Bush jr. drove this country into the ground.

Tell me what would Romney have accomplished? Government spending would have continued under his reign. Private sector job growth was already happening under Obama. And healthcare? RomneyCare? Tell me, what exactly made Romney/Heritage's healthcare system any better than Obama's? Answer: nothing. Why? Because it is the same damn plan!

Oh, and the massive income disparity in this country? The massive gap between the middle class and the wealthy? We can easily blame that on republicanism. Since 2009, 95% of income gains have gone to the wealthiest Americans despite the massive productivity that the lower classes have accomplished.

95% Of Income Gains Since 2009 Went To The Top 1% — Here's What That Really Means

Bush Junior was basically a LIB who spent way too much. end of story. If raising taxes is so great then hit all small businesses with less than 10 employees with a 50% tax increase and see how fast the jobs disappear.

At least if there is a republican party, there is a hope that they may one day become conservative and grow a backbone and learn how to use the powers of congress instead of constantly caving.

If there is no Republican Party then the Dems become 10 times corrupt as they already are

Only dupes believe the Dems want to raise taxes on anyone but the rich and some giant corps. Need a diagram? The GOP has been doing the opposite for 35 years.

Only dupes believe the Dems want to raise taxes on anyone but the rich and some giant corps.


You'd have to be a dupe to believe Dems don't want to raise taxes on us all.

Clinton did want to keep the deficit down. I'm amazed- you actually came up with a good point. Almost. It was on the UPPER middle class and the rich, and it worked!

Clinton did want to keep the deficit down.

So that's why he lied about cutting middle class taxes?
Is that why Gingrich had to keep pushing him to reduce spending?
It was all about the deficit? LOL!

It wasn't about duping the country like the GOP.Looks like a GOP lie to me when you look at the size of it, and that it was on the top 20%. And certainly nowhere as big as the hike on the rich